Chances of getting bumped up to 4.0?

[XkwizitOvrhed]

Okay all, because I'm beginning to obsess over my chances of getting bumped up to a 4.0 next year, I'm going to solicit your opinions, in the hope your feedback will help me quit this incessant obsessing! LOL

Before I begin: I'm a computer rated 3.5 and this is my 2nd season playing USTA 3.5 Adult Ladies

Here goes:

So far I've played 5 matches, all court #1 doubles, won every one and here are the scores:

1st match 6-2,6-1 (my opponents were veteran 3.5 players with winning records but were not Benchmark players) (I would say above avg. players)

2nd match 6-2,7-5 (again veteran players, excellent records but not Benchmarks;above avg. players)

3rd match 6-2, 6-1 (veterans, winning records, not Benchmarks;way above average players)

4th match 3-6,6-1,1-0 (veterans, winningest records, BENCHMARK PLAYERS and according to rumor appealed last year from getting bumped up 4.0 back to 3.5 with the goal of making it to Nationals this year; way way above avg. players)

5th match 6-2, 7-5 (vets, one of the partners was a 3.0 playing up, 3.5 was below average and 3.0 was worse;not Benchmarks;my new dubs partner fell apart on me in the 2nd set hence the close 2nd set score)


I've got only 2 more matches to go, both against middle of the flight teams and hope to walk away with an undefeated record, barring any unforseen circumstances. Also, my team is in 2nd place and won't be able to win the local league so we won't be going to Regionals this year.


If my math is right, I've won exactly 60 games and lost 27.

 

[CrocodileRock]

99%

Face it X... You don't belong in 3.5 anymore. They offer you no competition. Jump on in to 4.0s.. the water's fine.

 

[XkwizitOvrhed]

Thanks Croc!

Cannot wait to jump in and get hosed! :grin:

 

[JLyon]

quit worrying about getting bumped and just play the matches. If you get bumped at Mid-Year or end of Year, so be it and just enjoy the last few league matches. Also please if you get bumped do not appeal, I can not stand players who appeal every year and win all matches, then appeal again, and again.

 

[XkwizitOvrhed]

Um, maybe I didn't make it clear in my OP: I WANT to get bumped up. :grin:

 

[JRW]

Um, maybe I didn't make it clear in my OP: I WANT to get bumped up. :grin:

Unless you bomb out in your next few matches I don't think there is any doubt you will get bumped up. Enjoy the better competition next year. I seriously think you'll have more fun at 4.0.

 

[SB]

The computer is funky, and it's hard to say, IMO -- but you obviously SHOULD play 4.0, no matter what happens. Playing up and competing well is the easiest way to move up. (If you don't get bumped up, and you decide to play up, don't play any 3.5 matches at all next season. THey put a drag on your rating unless you win 1 and 2 or something. And if you play a 3.0 playing up, and don't double bagel her, it's even worse.)

I was in the same situation at 4.0, and finally just played 4.5 and was moved up immediately. ALthough I've heard that the jump from 4.0 to 4.5 is harder (computer-wise) than the others ... don't know if it's true, but very very few people playing 4.0 tend to move up around here, even the ones who win EVERY 4.0 match and EVERY 4.0 tournament. It's ridiculous. And it makes the 4.5 league extra tough, because there is not a wide range of players ... no one is a "lower" 4.5. The ones who do move up usually don't win because the competition is so stiff, so they quit or try to move back down. But that's another subject altogether ...

 

[bleach]

The missing factor is your starting NTRP level. If you started the season at a 3.01, then I doubt you will be bumped to 4.0. But if you were a 3.48, chances are good you will be bumped. The only ones that should know their starting NTRP are those that won an appeal the previous year. If that was the case you NTRP would be 3.5.

But like another said, don't worry about it. If you get bumped, you get bumped. The decision to appeal is yours and don't worry what others say. I've not appealed a bump and have (successfully) appealed once. I got crap both times. If you don't get bumped you could play up (and also still on a 3.5) to see if you like playing at the higher level.

 

[Caswell]

The computer is funky, and it's hard to say, IMO -- but you obviously SHOULD play 4.0, no matter what happens. Playing up and competing well is the easiest way to move up.

I completely agree with just this. I'm about to complete just my second season of league tennis, but from what I've seen the computer may as well be completely random. Weaker players get bumped up and get destroyed, stronger players get held at their current rating and get bored. I've seen far more moves that don't make sense compared to moves that do make sense.

If a you can find a 4.0 team next season, go for it.

(If you don't get bumped up, and you decide to play up, don't play any 3.5 matches at all next season. THey put a drag on your rating unless you win 1 and 2 or something. And if you play a 3.0 playing up, and don't double bagel her, it's even worse.)

This is the downside, and something I'm living right now. I've got a winning singles record in a very competitive 3.5 league this season and I do well in 3.5 tournaments. Yet I'm a 3.0, and expected to play on the 3.0 league team as well. So far I've limited my exposure to three matches (6-0, 6-0; 6-3, 6-0; 6-1, 6-1 wins) but I'm actually dreading going to 3.0 regionals in July because I worry that it'll wipe away all of the work I've done at 3.5. It felt like it did last year, when I was competitive in 3.5 leagues and tournaments yet had my 3.0 self-rate assigned as a 3.0 benchmark at the end of the year.

 

[flash9]

Start Looking Now

Start looking for a 4.0 team now. Hopefully, you have already have already talked with a captain of a 4.0 team, that you will be playing with them next season. If you have not, begin to ask players that play on 4.0 teams, that you would like to be called when they plan to play. Explain that you have won all of your matches at 3.5 and feel you will be bumped up, and think you should begin to play at the next level.

 

[sliderserve]

Computer Ratings are tricky....

You would think that you should get rated up to 4.0, but I will share my experience with you and see what you think....

I was visually rated in 2003 as a 3.5.
My 2003 record was 2-5 in doubles with the wins being close ones and the loses being slaughters.

As a result, I got rated down to 3.0

In 2004, I played on a 3.0 team and the same 3.5 team, playing only doubles.
In 3.0 I went 5-0 in reg. season, 1-0 at districts, 2-1 at sectionals and
2-2 at nationals. I also played 3.5 and went 1-6.
I got rated back up to 3.5 & my 3.0 doubles partner did not get rated up.

So entering 2005, it is safe to say I had a low 3.5 rating....

In 2005, I played 3.5 & 4.0, going 6-3 in 3.5 and 0-1 at 4.0 (all doubles)
maybe my rating went up a smidge?

In 2006, I played 3.5 & 4.0 (all doubles) for three 3.5 teams and one 4.0 team
At 3.5, I went 12-3 during the reg. season for the 3 teams. One of the teams went to districts where I went 3-0, but the team came in 2nd. Another 3.5 team won the district & I went 3-0. We then went to Sectionals and went 5-0 as a team and I went 5-0 w/ my doubles partner (So my dubs partner and I were 11-0 between 2 district playoffs and the Sectional playoffs).
We went to Nationals and finished 2nd overall as a team, losing 3-2 in the final to No. Cal. My partner & I went 2-2 with a bad loss in the final (6-0, 6-2)
and I won another match in our flight w/ another guy to go 3-2 at Nationals.
At 4.0 doubles, I went 3-4. I was an "early start" rating bump up to 4.0, but then dropped back down to 3.5 at the year end ratings.

I was really p.o.'ed over this.....to say the least....going 14-2 in playoffs doesn't warrant the bump up to 4.0?

So to answer your question, anything is possible......
But if you don't get rated up, play 3.5 & 4.0 next year.
You may be bored at 3.5 as I am, but being that good, get yourself on a strong team and get to the playoffs. It is a great experience but you will have to endure poor opposition in the regular season in order to get to the tough matches at 3.5.....the 4.0 matches that you play in, win or lose, will prepare you for those playoff matches....

Good Luck.....apologies vfor the length of this posting.

 

[Fedace]

Okay all, because I'm beginning to obsess over my chances of getting bumped up to a 4.0 next year, I'm going to solicit your opinions, in the hope your feedback will help me quit this incessant obsessing! LOL

Before I begin: I'm a computer rated 3.5 and this is my 2nd season playing USTA 3.5 Adult Ladies

Here goes:

So far I've played 5 matches, all court #1 doubles, won every one and here are the scores:

1st match 6-2,6-1 (my opponents were veteran 3.5 players with winning records but were not Benchmark players) (I would say above avg. players)

2nd match 6-2,7-5 (again veteran players, excellent records but not Benchmarks;above avg. players)

3rd match 6-2, 6-1 (veterans, winning records, not Benchmarks;way above average players)

4th match 3-6,6-1,1-0 (veterans, winningest records, BENCHMARK PLAYERS and according to rumor appealed last year from getting bumped up 4.0 back to 3.5 with the goal of making it to Nationals this year; way way above avg. players)

5th match 6-2, 7-5 (vets, one of the partners was a 3.0 playing up, 3.5 was below average and 3.0 was worse;not Benchmarks;my new dubs partner fell apart on me in the 2nd set hence the close 2nd set score)


I've got only 2 more matches to go, both against middle of the flight teams and hope to walk away with an undefeated record, barring any unforseen circumstances. Also, my team is in 2nd place and won't be able to win the local league so we won't be going to Regionals this year.


If my math is right, I've won exactly 60 games and lost 27.

Just play on the 4.0 team and you will just get bumped up anyway. the scores looks like you are 4.0 anyhow.

 

[Supernatural_Serve]

Just play on the 4.0 team and you will just get bumped up anyway. the scores looks like you are 4.0 anyhow.

Or find a 4.5 team, play a few matches (maybe doubles would help so you cut the chances of getting bageled) and make it even more likely that you will get bumped.

 

[MacKenzie]

I completely agree with just this. I'm about to complete just my second season of league tennis, but from what I've seen the computer may as well be completely random. Weaker players get bumped up and get destroyed, stronger players get held at their current rating and get bored. I've seen far more moves that don't make sense compared to moves that do make sense.

I've noticed this myself. What's the reason?

 

[Raiden.Kaminari]

This is the downside, and something I'm living right now. I've got a winning singles record in a very competitive 3.5 league this season and I do well in 3.5 tournaments. Yet I'm a 3.0, and expected to play on the 3.0 league team as well. So far I've limited my exposure to three matches (6-0, 6-0; 6-3, 6-0; 6-1, 6-1 wins) but I'm actually dreading going to 3.0 regionals in July because I worry that it'll wipe away all of the work I've done at 3.5. It felt like it did last year, when I was competitive in 3.5 leagues and tournaments yet had my 3.0 self-rate assigned as a 3.0 benchmark at the end of the year.

If you want to get moved up, play some open tournaments against 4.5 to 5.5 level players. Even if you lose, each match you're averaging .352 below their rating, unless you have more matches in the NTRP system than they do. Then, of course, you will be bringing them down ... fast.

 

[Noveson]

Okay all, because I'm beginning to obsess over my chances of getting bumped up to a 4.0 next year, I'm going to solicit your opinions, in the hope your feedback will help me quit this incessant obsessing! LOL

Before I begin: I'm a computer rated 3.5 and this is my 2nd season playing USTA 3.5 Adult Ladies

Here goes:

So far I've played 5 matches, all court #1 doubles, won every one and here are the scores:

1st match 6-2,6-1 (my opponents were veteran 3.5 players with winning records but were not Benchmark players) (I would say above avg. players)

2nd match 6-2,7-5 (again veteran players, excellent records but not Benchmarks;above avg. players)

3rd match 6-2, 6-1 (veterans, winning records, not Benchmarks;way above average players)

4th match 3-6,6-1,1-0 (veterans, winningest records, BENCHMARK PLAYERS and according to rumor appealed last year from getting bumped up 4.0 back to 3.5 with the goal of making it to Nationals this year; way way above avg. players)

5th match 6-2, 7-5 (vets, one of the partners was a 3.0 playing up, 3.5 was below average and 3.0 was worse;not Benchmarks;my new dubs partner fell apart on me in the 2nd set hence the close 2nd set score)


I've got only 2 more matches to go, both against middle of the flight teams and hope to walk away with an undefeated record, barring any unforseen circumstances. Also, my team is in 2nd place and won't be able to win the local league so we won't be going to Regionals this year.


If my math is right, I've won exactly 60 games and lost 27.

See this leads me to believe they are average players. Seeing as all the one syou played were "above average"

 

[Ace]

I believe your 3-6, 6-1, 1-0 match was against the ladies that will be going to your district/regional playoffs.
If those ladies go to districts/regionals and get their butts kicked there, they won't get bumped up, and they will be "benchmarked" (because they went to playoffs).
You will then be compared to them (for the 1/2 portion of your rating) and you will be rated equal to them (because the game score was pretty equal) for your "benchmark" portion of your rating (you won't be benchmark, but you are compared to the benchmark (them)). That rating will be averaged in with your "dynamic" rating.
If they go to playoffs and do very well, they will get bumped up, and theres a good chance you might. If they lose badly, good chance you will not get bumped up. How you do against the players who go off to playoffs (and how THEY do) is a big factor (1/2 your rating).

 

[Ace]

to sliderserve....
going 14-2 doesn't really matter, since the calculation is based on games won/lost, not matches won/lost. if you won 14 matches by going 1-6, 6-1, 1-0, it was a competitive match against another 3.5, and you shouldn't be bumped up.
your end of year rating is 1/2 made up of your "dynamic rating" and 1/2 made up of your "benchmark-calculated" rating.
your "early start" rating is just based on the "dynamic" portion of your rating.
after usta nationals are played, the players at nationals are given a rating and "benchmarked". other players are then compared to see how they did against them....and it flows down. if you lost badly (6-0, 6-2) to a player who went on to the next level, and that player didn't do well, 1/2 of your rating is that comparison to how you did against them.
that is why your rating went back down. once that 6-0, 6-2 loss was factored in and averaged with your dynamic rating, it brought you back down.

Unfortunately, the 3.5's you played against for the National finals probably got the benchmarked rating of 4.0. Your 6-0, 6-2 loss was compared to them for 1/2 your year end rating. It brought you way down and made you look like a 3.5 to the computer, even if you could have beaten them on a different day.

 

[JLyon]

Why don't you appeal to your District/Sectional Office to be bumped up? Will save you lots of time and matches at 3.5.

 

[tennis-n-sc]

The missing factor is your starting NTRP level. If you started the season at a 3.01, then I doubt you will be bumped to 4.0. But if you were a 3.48, chances are good you will be bumped. The only ones that should know their starting NTRP are those that won an appeal the previous year. If that was the case you NTRP would be 3.5.

Bingo. Most people ignore this and think the season results are the determining factor. They are one factor. But I believe you are exactly correct in your assesment.