Did Henin have a better topspin backhand than Federer?

Break To Win

Semi-Pro
I'm a Fed-Fan, but I admit that Henin's topspin backhand was superior to Federer's, especially when the Swiss used the PS 90. She hit more winners from that wing. Better ROS too

But yes, Fed had a better slice than Justine

When Roger started using the PS 97, his backhand became more solid, and he also had a more aggressive ROS.

Any Thoughts?
 

martinezownsclay

Hall of Fame
You can't compare mens and womens tennis. Per gender though, yes amongst the women yes it was better than Federer's was amongst the men. It was almost inargaubly the best one handed backhand and possibly the best backhand period in the womens game at the time. The only womens one handed one you could even compare at all is Mauresmo's.
 

kabrac

Professional
With the change of racquet, he began to attack serves more
He was down something like 4-3 fifth set Aus Open 2107....He even said himself it looked like it was going to end the way most all their last grand slam finals ended. And basically he decided, "What the hell?"..."Might as well go for it on that shot and try attacking it more." Didn't really have anything to do with the racquet, but more change in mindset towards the end of that match. I'm not sure but I think Nadal only beat him one or two times after that, the rest Federer won, including the last time they played.

Justine's backhand is incredible and beautiful to watch, but comparing her to a man that used a different racquet, not to mention different body composition....the only thing about them, is yes, both have some of the greatest backhands ever. That's where the comparison ends for me.
 

Break To Win

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He was down something like 4-3 fifth set Aus Open 2107....He even said himself it looked like it was going to end the way most all their last grand slam finals ended. And basically he decided, "What the hell?"..."Might as well go for it on that shot and try attacking it more." Didn't really have anything to do with the racquet, but more change in mindset towards the end of that match. I'm not sure but I think Nadal only beat him one or two times after that, the rest Federer won, including the last time they played.

Justine's backhand is incredible and beautiful to watch, but comparing her to a man that used a different racquet, not to mention different body composition....the only thing about them, is yes, both have some of the greatest backhands ever. That's where the comparison ends for me.

With the bigger racket, he had more confidence to attack his opponents' serves with a backhand.

In the AO 2017 final, his cross court backhand worked very well and it was there that he defeated Nadal. After that, he only lost to Rafa, in the semis of the 2019 French Open. But on hard courts and grass, Fed dominated Rafa in the last years of his career.

However, with the PS 90, his backhand was too passive.
 
The TS backhand return of serve is an interesting point of comparison, because I actually think when he didn’t have time to think about it Federer actually required less reaction time on his TS backhand than Henin did, and had a better topspin backhand on fast surfaces.

But the ROS has that intertwining of the mental and physical aspects of not only reacting but having time to think about things and muster that mentality to go aggressive and execute to a plan.

Federer should have had the better TS backhand return of serve but with that extra attitudinal and mental aspect it is Henin.

Federer was not always passive on the backhand with the PS 90. At different points of his career, and quite early too, he went HUGE on the backhand side. Late 2002 and in the 2003 indoor season might actually be peak GOATerer aggressive backhand.
 

Waves

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I love Fed’s ts backhand, but he started to chicken out on tough rallies with that slice afaic. So in the end, I think you could find many players that could challenge him, Henin in a way, Edberg, Stan and others.
 

ollinger

G.O.A.T.
Henin was afflicted with Gasquet Syndrome --- a very pretty looking backhand that wasn't always very penetrating.
 

Gizo

Hall of Fame
I did like Henin's backhand a lot. She was very versatile from wing with her power, topspin angles, defensive and offensive slice etc.

I thought Mauresmo's backhand was more beautiful aesthetically, though Mauresmo being noticeably taller (I was never convinced that Henin was even as tall as her listed height) helped there as Henin had to strain herself more to hit hers. IMO Mauresmo had even greater variety and disguise with her backhand than Henin, and her slice was definitely better. However I did think that as an overall package, Henins's backhand was better, as it was typically more penetrating, and her backhand return was clearly better than Mauresmo's IMO. Plus Mauresmo could sometimes hit cross court with her backhand too much, seeming hesistant to rip it down the line.

Henin's backhand came naturally to her. I remember her hitting 3 backhand winners in consecutive points against Capriati at Wimbledon in 2001. She clearly worked hard to improve her forehand, which she was able to use to more devastating effect as the winners flowed from it more and more. There is an argument that overall, Henin's forehand was the single best / most effective shot in women's tennis from 2003-2007.
 

WYK

Hall of Fame
I did like Henin's backhand a lot. She was very versatile from wing with her power, topspin angles, defensive and offensive slice etc.
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Henin's backhand came naturally to her. I remember her hitting 3 backhand winners in consecutive points against Capriati at Wimbledon in 2001. She clearly worked hard to improve her forehand, which she was able to use to more devastating effect as the winners flowed from it more and more. There is an argument that overall, Henin's forehand was the single best / most effective shot in women's tennis from 2003-2007.
The beauty in Henin's backhand lies in how simple it is. It works all the time, under pressure or no. In fact, if you watch others like Mauresmo, Gasquet, Robredo, and even Fed, when pressed for time they will execute a backhand similar to Henin's. It is the backhand everyone should be taught.


Arguing if it is better than Federer's means arguing what makes a backhand great. Federer's backhand only 'breaks down' when pushed by the greatest players this planet has ever seen, and many with the greatest forehands this planet has ever seen like Nadal and del Potro, and on some of the slowest courts ever. Federer is 10-14 in finals against Nadal. Even Djokovic is only 7-11 in slam finals vs Nadal, and he has a two hander. Few other people will ever be able to say such a thing. Henin never had to develop a backhand to combat this type of game. She never in her life saw a 90mph forehand with 4,000rpm on it, whereas Federer could spend hours looking at it and win.

But Henin's real weapons were her forehand and her serves. Consistently placing a first serve at 110-115mph, and second serves with good speed and spin as well. Hammering forehands cross court and down the line is what won her matches. And this during an era where they were only just starting to slow the court down. Many also forget Henin played not long ago, and has played many of the WTA players that only recently have retired, and this whilst using gut at high tensions. I think in a modern game, she would have done rather well. After all, Henin is 4 to Serena's 3 in head to head slam finals.
 

aus89

Hall of Fame
I mean I don't know that they are comparable apart from on a pure technique level - so probably on a technique level yeah her backhand is probably better if they were both in the same body
 

Gizo

Hall of Fame
I found it amazing that Henin could hit with so much power, considering her size.

And by size and I don't just mean her height (as I said previously I doubt she was as tall as her listed height), but also the fact that she was also naturally very thin and lightly built. Often there was too much focus there on the former (her height) but not enough on the latter (her thin build).

She looked like a twig compared to Clijsters during their matches at RG in 2001 (she should have won that match but choked) and the AO in 2002. Later on in 2002 she gained muscle mass, but afterwards still looked much thinner (and 'smaller') than the likes of Capriati who was only listed as a few cm taller than her, and also players like Rezai, Cibulkova, Sugyiyama etc. who were listed as shorter than her.

Her 2003 SF against Capriati is definitely one of the best women's matches I've ever seen, and she was involved in numerous other thrillers.
 

Holmes

Hall of Fame
"Federer", and, "better topspin backhand than ________", are two thoughts that seldom work in that order.
 

Holmes

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The beauty in Henin's backhand lies in how simple it is. It works all the time, under pressure or no. In fact, if you watch others like Mauresmo, Gasquet, Robredo, and even Fed, when pressed for time they will execute a backhand similar to Henin's. It is the backhand everyone should be taught.


Arguing if it is better than Federer's means arguing what makes a backhand great. Federer's backhand only 'breaks down' when pushed by the greatest players this planet has ever seen, and many with the greatest forehands this planet has ever seen like Nadal and del Potro, and on some of the slowest courts ever. Federer is 10-14 in finals against Nadal. Even Djokovic is only 7-11 in slam finals vs Nadal, and he has a two hander. Few other people will ever be able to say such a thing. Henin never had to develop a backhand to combat this type of game. She never in her life saw a 90mph forehand with 4,000rpm on it, whereas Federer could spend hours looking at it and win.

But Henin's real weapons were her forehand and her serves. Consistently placing a first serve at 110-115mph, and second serves with good speed and spin as well. Hammering forehands cross court and down the line is what won her matches. And this during an era where they were only just starting to slow the court down. Many also forget Henin played not long ago, and has played many of the WTA players that only recently have retired, and this whilst using gut at high tensions. I think in a modern game, she would have done rather well. After all, Henin is 4 to Serena's 3 in head to head slam finals.
Justine might consider coaching, this brief tutorial is one of the best I've seen on the 1HBH. Possibly good enough to help Roger's get into the top 100.
 
"Federer", and, "better topspin backhand than ________", are two thoughts that seldom work in that order.
Federer backhand‘ s is very underrated here, he had problems only vs prime Rafa(who didn’ t have t problem vs prime Rafa?Maybe Nole 2011?) on surface with high bounce.WTF F 2006 vs Blake is one of the best performance in the history of one backhand and vs the best backhand of alla time(Murray,Safin,Djokovic,Wawrinka…) his backhand was enough solid
 

Gizo

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Patty Schnyder hit high loopy balls to Henin’s backhand during their match at Charleston in 2006, which caused her problems.

Then again Henin won all their remaining matches including their 4 other matches on clay (3 of them decisively), so it’s not like she was able to use that strategy decisively on other occasions.

Also for comparison Clijsters’ two handed backhand wasn’t much better if at all at dealing with high balls - Mauresmo had more success during their last few matches by exposing that (though mixing in the high loopy shots with low slices to keep her off balance).
 

Holmes

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I don't think it's a fair comparison to make since Henin never faced anyone like Nadal.
Federer's terrible topspin backhand was on full display against Cañas, Safin, Bjorkman, Hewitt, and even Roddick. He was simply so vastly superior to them in every other aspect of the game that the shanks, short balls, and obsessive slicing didn't affect his results. Nadal, Djokovic, Henman and Squillari were another matter.
 
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aus89

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I don't think it's a fair comparison to make since Henin never faced anyone like Nadal.
It doesn't mean her backhand isn't better on a purely technical level - the rest is all down to strength etc... but if her backhand was coming from Federer's body it would likely be more effective than his backhand
 

WYK

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It doesn't mean her backhand isn't better on a purely technical level - the rest is all down to strength etc... but if her backhand was coming from Federer's body it would likely be more effective than his backhand

60% of the time, it works every time. Makes about as much sense, too.
Why put a lesser player's backhand on Federer when you can simply watch his in display on the master himself?


As the presenter says, Roger doesn't have to run around his backhand like Nadal does.
 
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Holmes

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It doesn't mean her backhand isn't better on a purely technical level - the rest is all down to strength etc... but if her backhand was coming from Federer's body it would likely be more effective than his backhand
It would be like Mjöllnir. Might even get a Fus Ro Dah-like effect against the Hewitts and Roddicks of the game.
 

Holmes

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60% of the time, it works every time. Makes about as much sense, too.
Why put a lesser player's backhand on Federer when you can simply watch his in display on the master himself?


As the presenter says, Roger doesn't have to run around his backhand like Nadal does.
So interesting. I wonder if good friends like @Third Serve or @MeatTornado think that Roger's 2017 backhand was inferior to his 2004-07 era one, a.k.a. Roddick and Backassi were tougher to fend off with the backhand than 2017 era Nadal.
 

Holmes

Hall of Fame
You should make a thread comparing their slice backhands. Then at least Roger's inclusion would make sense.
 

am1899

Legend
“Hit more winners…”

On the WTA…against an entirely different set of opponents…

“Better ROS too…”

Same as above.
 

am1899

Legend
Henin's technique is far, far, far superior to Roger's.

Henin’s technique is better. (I don’t know about the “far far far” part). But yeah.

Regardless, OP’s argument wasn’t about technique. It was that Henin “hit more winners” and “better ROS” with her BH, so her BH is better than Fed’s. Pretty silly argument.
 

slipgrip93

Professional
Henin's bh was a major part of her game , at least more so than Fed's bh. In that way her's was 'better' in terms of their bh's effectiveness to their own respective competition.

in their respective comments about the 1hbh in their post-retirement. Fed said he would have gone with the 2hbh if he could do it over.
Henin misses the one-handed backhand (https://indianexpress.com/article/s...-handed-backhand-and-a-dominant-star-5705663/).
 
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