Djokovic's success now makes 40-15 a little more bearable

Standaa

G.O.A.T.
since Joe is likely winning a gazillion more slams (and that is despite throating Karen and losing one completely unnecessarily), the historical importance of 40-15 doesn't mean much in retrospect IMO. Now it's just a missed golden opportunity to beat Djokodal back to back to win a slam at 39 and avenge 2014/15 finals, which still hurts af but I think it's not the GOAT deciding slam we thought it was. maybe it COULD have made the difference against Nadal but I think even he will add like 2-3 more RGs.

still sucks, but statistically Joe was always gonna pass Roger imo.
 
I disagree. 40-15 is something that will never go away for me. I don’t care about GOAT stuff as much. Fed has lost so many tight matches to Novak, and it was a chance to avenge some of those, and do something many thought impossible. Instead it turned into an absolute nightmare, and it is more clear now then ever that it was Federer’s last chance at a major title.
 

Djokovic2011

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It should hurt every little bit as much as it did at the time. Beating Nadal and Djokovic back to back at the age of nearly 38 would've arguably given Federer as strong an argument for GOAT as Novak completing the Double Career Grand Slam gives him. But he blew it and he only has himself to blame.
 
In the grand scheme of things maybe it doesn’t matter as Djokovic is going to blow every important record there is out of the water regardless but it would still give that aura to Fed as to (look at what he did at Wimbledon at almost 38). Beat the two goats back to back at an old age


At least Fed would have kept a solid argument there if he did that. Instead he just did what he historically always has done against Nadal and djoker more time than not. Blow big matches when the pressure is on


History will show he’s a choker ultimately that couldn’t get the job done
 

Pheasant

Legend
It doesn't remove all of the pain. But I get where the OP is going with this. That match now doesn't matter in the GOAT race, which removes a lot of the pain of that match. I no longer look back and cringe when I see that Federer was an inch away on a missed serve from closing out the match with an ace. Djoker is clearly in the lead. And unless he gets hurt, he'll shatter just about every important record out there.

I already put up the white flag after the FO. And if Djoker wins the USO, he'll have the holy grail of accomplishments under his belt as well. A CYGS would turn this race into a blowout for Djoker.
 

Noleberic123

G.O.A.T.
It doesn't remove all of the pain. But I get where the OP is going with this. That match now doesn't matter in the GOAT race, which removes a lot of the pain of that match. I no longer look back and cringe when I see that Federer was an inch away on a missed serve from closing out the match with an ace. Djoker is clearly in the lead. And unless he gets hurt, he'll shatter just about every important record out there.

I already put up the white flag after the FO. And if Djoker wins the USO, he'll have the holy grail of accomplishments under his belt as well. A CYGS would turn this race into a blowout for Djoker.
It's beautiful, isn't it?
 

Antonio Puente

Hall of Fame
since Joe is likely winning a gazillion more slams (and that is despite throating Karen and losing one completely unnecessarily), the historical importance of 40-15 doesn't mean much in retrospect IMO. Now it's just a missed golden opportunity to beat Djokodal back to back to win a slam at 39 and avenge 2014/15 finals, which still hurts af but I think it's not the GOAT deciding slam we thought it was. maybe it COULD have made the difference against Nadal but I think even he will add like 2-3 more RGs.

still sucks, but statistically Joe was always gonna pass Roger imo.

If Fed wins and Djoker falls 6 slams back, Djoker probably loses some motivation. Today it would likely be a two way race between Nadal and Fed.
 

Pheasant

Legend
If Fed wins and Djoker falls 6 slams back, Djoker probably loses some motivation. Today it would likely be a two way race between Nadal and Fed.

Nah, not at all. Djoker was 8 slams behind Federer in early 2018 and he was playing like garbage until the clay season that year. That deficit was massive and he overcame it. A loss to Federer at the 2019 Wimby only would have delayed the inevitable. Djoker had more setbacks with the cancelation of Wimbledon in 2020 and his silly DQ from the 2020 USO. Despite that, he came back stronger than ever. Djoker could easily be sitting at 22 slams right now too. The 2020 USO was a joke. Djoker wins that easily. I doubt anybody would have stopped him had Wimbledon been held in 2020.

But all of those are just excuses. We are sitting at 20/20/20 today and Djoker holds almost all of the important tiebreakers.
 

JackGates

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since Joe is likely winning a gazillion more slams (and that is despite throating Karen and losing one completely unnecessarily), the historical importance of 40-15 doesn't mean much in retrospect IMO. Now it's just a missed golden opportunity to beat Djokodal back to back to win a slam at 39 and avenge 2014/15 finals, which still hurts af but I think it's not the GOAT deciding slam we thought it was. maybe it COULD have made the difference against Nadal but I think even he will add like 2-3 more RGs.

still sucks, but statistically Joe was always gonna pass Roger imo.
I got such a dopamine high from the AO17 final, that nothing can destroy that. Even thinking about it still raises my dopamine, it's crazy. Fed winning AO17 and then 3 majors and owning Nadal was so low probability that nobody saw that coming, nobody. That's why it was the probably one of the greatest Fed's achievements. Oh and then being nr.1 again in 2018.
 
I completely understand the rationale. For Nadal fans the obvious equivalent is 2018 Wimbledon semi which wasn't too far off. But the issue for Federer fans is that Novak is only 2 short of Federer's Wimbledon record. Probably has 3 years to pick up another 2 or 3. What has thrown the slam record debate was that back in 2013/2014, we all just assumed that the big 3 would all be done by 2017. I honestly thought 18 would win the race!! How wrong. No-one stepped up.
 

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To say I am not a Novak Djokovic fan is an understatement. But that is definitely a better way to frame the sentiment than by saying "If I had to pick one player to play tennis for my life, I wouldn't pick Djokovic even though I am fully aware that he is my best chance of staying alive."
But even I have to grudgingly admit that Novak Djokovic might just be the greatest tennis player of all time, even if he thinks the matter is up for debate. Or maybe especially now that he thinks it is up for debate.
Ever since Djokovic's mother Dijana said, "The King is dead! Long live the King!" in response to her son beating Roger Federer in the 2008 Australian Open semifinals, I have hated him with the same burning passion reserved for fascists and paperbacks that use an image from the movie as their cover photo. And 13-something years later, watching them write his name on the wall of Wimbledon winners for the third time on the trot has only reinforced those feelings.
But he is here. He has found his way into the promised land that is 20 Grand Slams, and no longer can the Rafans and the Fedfans pretend that they are blind. Novak Djokovic is, for all intents and purposes, statistically just as good as (if not better than) Rafael Nadal and Roger Federer. And he is bound to get better and better. And better.
God help the next person trying to shoehorn a number into BELIEVE by the time Djokovic retires.
But just how did Novak Djokovic become this good? The last point of the Serb's final win over Matteo Berrettini gives us a fair illustration of that. The rally lasts 11 shots, and Djokovic, who is at championship point and leading 5-3 in the fourth set, plays a series of conservative strokes.
He waits for his opponent to make a mistake. He serves up a couple of slices and a couple of regulation backhands in the knowledge that Berrettini has to blink first, which he does by hitting the ball into the net.
When the trap he laid out in cold blood works, Djokovic lifts his arms to the heavens. It is cold and calculating and smart, but that is not the way I like my tennis.
Novak Djokovic is almost too perfect, compared to the more human Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal
I have spent a lot of time trying to understand why I dislike watching Novak Djokovic so much. It is not simply that he is better than the players I like. It is not because he is arrogant or anything about his achievements; the Serb in fact is one of the most chill and humble players off the court.
Why then? It all comes down to something I can only vaguely describe as "coldness".
You might understand this better if you are a fan of Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal. There is a warmth about their playing style that consumes you from the moment you start watching them, turning you from a consumer to a partaker in the act.
Federer, with his genius and finesse, and Nadal, with his resilience and athleticism, represent something 'alive' in the game. They add a certain unpredictability to the game that is decidedly human.
The same can be said about the springy Gael Monfils or the stubborn Juan Martin Del Potro too. It can even be said about the mercurial Nick Kyrgios.
But when I have to add an adjective to Novak Djokovic, I can only say that he is unbeatable. That he defends about as well as the walls of Troy (before the whole gimmick with the horse, obviously). That he has no weakness in his game which is obvious, or even obscure.
For me personally, instead of those qualities being an addition to the game - like in the case of the aforementioned players - it becomes a subtraction. Like the 20th century being afraid that the advent of industrialization and mechanization would make people more emotionless, Novak Djokovic feels (to me) like he has taken away the thing that makes tennis, tennis.
Novak Djokovic celebrating his win at Wimbledon 2021
Novak Djokovic reaches balls he has no right to reach, but he doesn’t show signs of fatigue. By contrast, Rafael Nadal often does, and that's why it is so easy to love the Spaniard. You see him yell and push every single muscle to its extreme and you are convinced he is human persistence personified.
Novak Djokovic hits shots he has no right to, without squandering the easiest of chances. By contrast, Roger Federer often does the latter, which is why it is so easy to love the Swiss. One moment you see him hit the most beautiful slice you have ever seen in your life, and the very next moment you are rubbing your nose after he hits the easiest of volleys into the net.
But that is why I love this sport. And Novak Djokovic, by being too consistent and too perfect and too careful, represents to me everything I don't like about it. To be blunt, Djokovic is simply too good to be excited about.
Now I am not saying his wins mean anything less because of this. They don't. But I am fairly certain that Federer would have gone for the audacious by the fifth shot, and so it is impossible for me to find comfort in anything else.
I will end this by quoting Patrick Rothfuss in the The Wise Man’s fear, a passage that is tailor-made for the point I wish to make:
Bredon’s expression softened, and his voice became almost like an entreaty. "Tak reflects the subtle turning of the world. It is a mirror we hold to life. No one wins a dance, boy. The point of dancing is the motion that a body makes. A well-played game of tak reveals the moving of a mind. There is a beauty to these things for those with eyes to see it."
He gestured at the brief and brutal lay of stones between us. "Look at that. Why would I ever want to win a game such as this?"
I looked down at the board. "The point isn’t to win?" I asked.
"The point," Bredon said grandly, "is to play a beautiful game." He lifted his hands and shrugged, his face breaking into a beatific smile. "Why would I want to win anything other than a beautiful game?"
If I sound bitter, that is because I am. It is in the nature of fans to be bitter about the players they support no longer being the best. But don't let that distract you from the fact that Novak Djokovic is head and shoulders above anyone else who has played the game. Statistically, of course.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
It should hurt every little bit as much as it did at the time. Beating Nadal and Djokovic back to back at the age of nearly 38 would've arguably given Federer as strong an argument for GOAT as Novak completing the Double Career Grand Slam gives him. But he blew it and he only has himself to blame.

Where's the lie
 

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
It will always hurt that that was (probably) the end point. When they produce all the trillion videos to mark the end of his career that will be how it finishes. In retrospect the perfect moment to go would have been just after Rotterdam with 20 slams and No 1 in the world. But that's how it is.

In the end he's always said he feared being one of the "talented but never achieved anything" players. Instead he's had a career that I can't imagine being beaten for beauty, heartbreak, drama and sheer joy in playing. Maybe ending up with the numbers as well was too much to ask!
 

Terry Tibbs

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since Joe is likely winning a gazillion more slams (and that is despite throating Karen and losing one completely unnecessarily), the historical importance of 40-15 doesn't mean much in retrospect IMO. Now it's just a missed golden opportunity to beat Djokodal back to back to win a slam at 39 and avenge 2014/15 finals, which still hurts af but I think it's not the GOAT deciding slam we thought it was. maybe it COULD have made the difference against Nadal but I think even he will add like 2-3 more RGs.

still sucks, but statistically Joe was always gonna pass Roger imo.
He wasnt 39, he was 37.
 

Arak

Legend
40-15 doesn’t mean anything to me. The final was decided on these two match points which, with just one unforced error or bad return, or even a bad bounce could have changed the outcome. Tennis is a game of such fine margins. Taking in consideration that Federer won the popular vote and lost the electoral college, this shows that he was the better player overall. I am not losing any sleep at night over it.
 

Terry Tibbs

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To say I am not a Novak Djokovic fan is an understatement. But that is definitely a better way to frame the sentiment than by saying "If I had to pick one player to play tennis for my life, I wouldn't pick Djokovic even though I am fully aware that he is my best chance of staying alive."
But even I have to grudgingly admit that Novak Djokovic might just be the greatest tennis player of all time, even if he thinks the matter is up for debate. Or maybe especially now that he thinks it is up for debate.
Ever since Djokovic's mother Dijana said, "The King is dead! Long live the King!" in response to her son beating Roger Federer in the 2008 Australian Open semifinals, I have hated him with the same burning passion reserved for fascists and paperbacks that use an image from the movie as their cover photo. And 13-something years later, watching them write his name on the wall of Wimbledon winners for the third time on the trot has only reinforced those feelings.
But he is here. He has found his way into the promised land that is 20 Grand Slams, and no longer can the Rafans and the Fedfans pretend that they are blind. Novak Djokovic is, for all intents and purposes, statistically just as good as (if not better than) Rafael Nadal and Roger Federer. And he is bound to get better and better. And better.
God help the next person trying to shoehorn a number into BELIEVE by the time Djokovic retires.
But just how did Novak Djokovic become this good? The last point of the Serb's final win over Matteo Berrettini gives us a fair illustration of that. The rally lasts 11 shots, and Djokovic, who is at championship point and leading 5-3 in the fourth set, plays a series of conservative strokes.
He waits for his opponent to make a mistake. He serves up a couple of slices and a couple of regulation backhands in the knowledge that Berrettini has to blink first, which he does by hitting the ball into the net.
When the trap he laid out in cold blood works, Djokovic lifts his arms to the heavens. It is cold and calculating and smart, but that is not the way I like my tennis.
Novak Djokovic is almost too perfect, compared to the more human Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal
I have spent a lot of time trying to understand why I dislike watching Novak Djokovic so much. It is not simply that he is better than the players I like. It is not because he is arrogant or anything about his achievements; the Serb in fact is one of the most chill and humble players off the court.
Why then? It all comes down to something I can only vaguely describe as "coldness".
You might understand this better if you are a fan of Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal. There is a warmth about their playing style that consumes you from the moment you start watching them, turning you from a consumer to a partaker in the act.
Federer, with his genius and finesse, and Nadal, with his resilience and athleticism, represent something 'alive' in the game. They add a certain unpredictability to the game that is decidedly human.
The same can be said about the springy Gael Monfils or the stubborn Juan Martin Del Potro too. It can even be said about the mercurial Nick Kyrgios.
But when I have to add an adjective to Novak Djokovic, I can only say that he is unbeatable. That he defends about as well as the walls of Troy (before the whole gimmick with the horse, obviously). That he has no weakness in his game which is obvious, or even obscure.
For me personally, instead of those qualities being an addition to the game - like in the case of the aforementioned players - it becomes a subtraction. Like the 20th century being afraid that the advent of industrialization and mechanization would make people more emotionless, Novak Djokovic feels (to me) like he has taken away the thing that makes tennis, tennis.
Novak Djokovic celebrating his win at Wimbledon 2021
Novak Djokovic reaches balls he has no right to reach, but he doesn’t show signs of fatigue. By contrast, Rafael Nadal often does, and that's why it is so easy to love the Spaniard. You see him yell and push every single muscle to its extreme and you are convinced he is human persistence personified.
Novak Djokovic hits shots he has no right to, without squandering the easiest of chances. By contrast, Roger Federer often does the latter, which is why it is so easy to love the Swiss. One moment you see him hit the most beautiful slice you have ever seen in your life, and the very next moment you are rubbing your nose after he hits the easiest of volleys into the net.
But that is why I love this sport. And Novak Djokovic, by being too consistent and too perfect and too careful, represents to me everything I don't like about it. To be blunt, Djokovic is simply too good to be excited about.
Now I am not saying his wins mean anything less because of this. They don't. But I am fairly certain that Federer would have gone for the audacious by the fifth shot, and so it is impossible for me to find comfort in anything else.
I will end this by quoting Patrick Rothfuss in the The Wise Man’s fear, a passage that is tailor-made for the point I wish to make:




If I sound bitter, that is because I am. It is in the nature of fans to be bitter about the players they support no longer being the best. But don't let that distract you from the fact that Novak Djokovic is head and shoulders above anyone else who has played the game. Statistically, of course.
Great post and Im in full agreement. I have an irrational hatred of Djokovic as well. I hate him for all the beat downs he has given Federer in slam finals over the years which have become chronic and in particular of the course that absurd Wimbledon 2019 win.

The idea that he could now realistically equal or better Federer's Wimbledon record is quite frankly vomit inducing. Djokovic's style of play just sucks from an entertainment point of view.

Whilst he has no weaknesses and can play every shot in the game, fundamentally, his style is to defend and keep getting balls back waiting for the error. The supremely efficient way he does this makes him so hard to beat. As you have mentioned this was evident on match point against Berrettini. Just pushing slow balls back into play waiting for the error instead of trying to win the match with an attacking shot.

He has ruined my enjoyment of tennis for the last 10 years and I wish he would just go away. I still sadly have to reluctantly acknowledge that he is the GOAT but Federer is the most beautiful, most naturally talented and complete player I have ever seen. If I had the choice of paying to go and watch somebody play, I would pick a 60yr old Federer playing on the seniors tour over watching a 34 yr old Djokovic.

I really wish I could like him a bit more. He deserves to be liked for being so good but I just cant.
 

daphne

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Great post and Im in full agreement. I have an irrational hatred of Djokovic as well. I hate him for all the beat downs he has given Federer in slam finals over the years which have become chronic and in particular of the course that absurd Wimbledon 2019 win.

The idea that he could now realistically equal or better Federer's Wimbledon record is quite frankly vomit inducing. Djokovic's style of play just sucks from an entertainment point of view.

Whilst he has no weaknesses and can play every shot in the game, fundamentally, his style is to defend and keep getting balls back waiting for the error. The supremely efficient way he does this makes him so hard to beat. As you have mentioned this was evident on match point against Berrettini. Just pushing slow balls back into play waiting for the error instead of trying to win the match with an attacking shot.

He has ruined my enjoyment of tennis for the last 10 years and I wish he would just go away. I still sadly have to reluctantly acknowledge that he is the GOAT but Federer is the most beautiful, most naturally talented and complete player I have ever seen. If I had the choice of paying to go and watch somebody play, I would pick a 60yr old Federer playing on the seniors tour over watching a 34 yr old Djokovic.

I really wish I could like him a bit more. He deserves to be liked for being so good but I just cant.
This tells a lot more about you than about Djokovic. When people get involved emotionally in a sport beyond what is reasonable they start feeling hatred for what/who they think should be the best. I do not dislike Fedr as a player. I do not know him as a person to judge him positively or negatively. What I do like though is teasing and ridiculing his unhinged fans who cannot come to terms that their wonderful world of imagination is falling apart. It is so evident these days.

It has been evident, also, that Djok is determined to win and push it till the end of times until he gets it. Back in the bunker he made a promise to himself and to his parents, and when a kid of that age shows determination and is resolute to succeed under the circumstances he was in then you know nothing is stopping him. They can either just break his legs or kill him to stop him, otherwise he WILL be and already is the GOAT.

My girlfriend is more beautiful than yours - argument does not help. Please seek help from a professional as the above way of thinking will affect your other life important decisions. That's my friendly advice.
 
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roysid

Hall of Fame
I have an entire opposite view of this.
Because of Djokovic s recent success the 40-15 loss is even more unbearable.

1) Just imagine It would have been 21-19 instead of 20-20.

2) That was Federer s last chance to win a slam. He declined after that
 

daphne

Hall of Fame
I have an entire opposite view of this.
Because of Djokovic s recent success the 40-15 loss is even more unbearable.

1) Just imagine It would have been 21-19 instead of 20-20.

2) That was Federer s last chance to win a slam. He declined after that
Look even if it was 21-19 Djok is yet to win 4-5 more slams. The fall of Fedr is inevitable. It just is.
 

Cortana

Legend
I think the pain will come back when Djokovic wins his 8th Wimbledon title in 2023/2024. Then you will think "If Federer converted those MP it would be 9-7 and not 8-8 in Wimbledon titles".

The match itself isn't relevant anymore in the GOAT conversation (Djokovic has this in the bag), but it might also decide who the greatest grass court player of all time will be. Djokovic doesn't even need 9 Wimbledon titles for that, 8 with the H2H at Wimbledon will be enough.
 

SonnyT

Legend
Actually it's even harder to take. If he had converted, '19 Wimb surely would've been the greatest Slam victory. No Djokovic victory would even come near to matching it.
I have an entire opposite view of this.
Because of Djokovic s recent success the 40-15 loss is even more unbearable.

1) Just imagine It would have been 21-19 instead of 20-20.

2) That was Federer s last chance to win a slam. He declined after that
Exactly, if Federer had won that match, he would've beat the mentally strongest player out there. When it comes to GOAT discussion, his fans would always have the last word. His last Slam win would be over a giant against all odds, instead of over Cilic.
 

Pheasant

Legend
I think the pain will come back when Djokovic wins his 8th Wimbledon title in 2023/2024. Then you will think "If Federer converted those MP it would be 9-7 and not 8-8 in Wimbledon titles".

The match itself isn't relevant anymore in the GOAT conversation (Djokovic has this in the bag), but it might also decide who the greatest grass court player of all time will be. Djokovic doesn't even need 9 Wimbledon titles for that, 8 with the H2H at Wimbledon will be enough.

Nah, that’s nothing. Gross’s court goat means nothing to me. Federer has been surpassed in this era. Clinging to grass court GOAT or WTF goat means nothing in comparison. Djoker has shattered the weeks at #1 record, which is something that I consider extremely valuable. I really thought that Federer would keep that record after 2017 happened. I was dead-wrong. That metric has been a big measuring stick for a long time. I like that one more than the slam titles metric. It clearly answers the question, “who was the best player in the world for the longest period of time?” I was clinging to 20 slams when that record was broken. Now, it’s over. Check mate. It’s time for me to move on. Wimbledon record? Nah, I don’t care. It’s like salvaging a couch after a tornado destroyed my house.

I just hope I get to see the maestro play a little longer. He’s running out of time. That’s what matters as a fan; seeing your favorite play. Yeah, it’s a bummer that his records have been beaten. But that happens in sports.
 

Biotic

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Look even if it was 21-19 Djok is yet to win 4-5 more slams. The fall of Fedr is inevitable. It just is.

It probably implies that Fedfans would have bragging rights for beating Nadal and Djokovic in succession at the age of 38. Few of them want Federer as GOAT only because he got so close. Hypothetical win amplifies that 100x.
 

NoleIsBoat

Hall of Fame
I think the pain will come back when Djokovic wins his 8th Wimbledon title in 2023/2024. Then you will think "If Federer converted those MP it would be 9-7 and not 8-8 in Wimbledon titles".

The match itself isn't relevant anymore in the GOAT conversation (Djokovic has this in the bag), but it might also decide who the greatest grass court player of all time will be. Djokovic doesn't even need 9 Wimbledon titles for that, 8 with the H2H at Wimbledon will be enough.
This! The pain will return for Fed fans when Djokovic becomes Wimbledon GOAT with his 8th title.
 

davced1

Hall of Fame
Just imagine what could have been. Federer with 21 slams and 9 Wimbledon. Djokovic with 19 slams and 5 Wimbledon. That would certainly have felt much better. The slam race would have been on for longer so it would have been more interesting.
 

daphne

Hall of Fame
Nah, that’s nothing. Gross’s court goat means nothing to me. Federer has been surpassed in this era. Clinging to grass court GOAT or WTF goat means nothing in comparison. Djoker has shattered the weeks at #1 record, which is something that I consider extremely valuable. I really thought that Federer would keep that record after 2017 happened. I was dead-wrong. That metric has been a big measuring stick for a long time. I like that one more than the slam titles metric. It clearly answers the question, “who was the best player in the world for the longest period of time?” I was clinging to 20 slams when that record was broken. Now, it’s over. Check mate. It’s time for me to move on. Wimbledon record? Nah, I don’t care. It’s like salvaging a couch after a tornado destroyed my house.

I just hope I get to see the maestro play a little longer. He’s running out of time. That’s what matters as a fan; seeing your favorite play. Yeah, it’s a bummer that his records have been beaten. But that happens in sports.
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