doubles match, volley

nopiforyou

Rookie
Today I won my JV doubles match. We won 8-2 (JV does pro sets). I didn't get broken or anything, but when my partner was serving I felt lost. We use the standard doubles formation with server near the corner of the baseline (not too close, but you get what I mean) and me at the bottom left (assuming deuce side) of the service box. Once my partner serves and my opponent makes a return too far for me to poach (which I'm bad at), I feel that I'm useless. At one point, my partner played the whole point, with me being too tentative. Is their something I should be looking for at this position?
 

SoBad

G.O.A.T.
Don't change a winning formula, if you won 8-2 why would you question your strategy, I don't understand. Poaching is risky, you get more agressive if you find yourself in trouble.
 

fuzz nation

G.O.A.T.
You need to keep helping your partner cover the whole court and giving your opponents few options, even if you don't hit a ball. Given two equal teams, the pair with the better positioning through a match will have the advantage most of the time.

You can talk to your partner ahead of time about that situation where the server and receiver get into a crosscourt rally. Maybe after two balls go by you, your partner should know you're going to poach the next one and to switch as soon as you take off. Remember when that rally is happening, you need to drift left or right along with your partner, especially if he gets pulled out wide. Don't spend too much time watching your partner hit - watch your opponents or you'll catch a ball in the ear!

Formulate simple plans so that when the action starts, you both already know what you're trying to do. Congratulations on the win!
 

LuckyR

Legend
Today I won my JV doubles match. We won 8-2 (JV does pro sets). I didn't get broken or anything, but when my partner was serving I felt lost. We use the standard doubles formation with server near the corner of the baseline (not too close, but you get what I mean) and me at the bottom left (assuming deuce side) of the service box. Once my partner serves and my opponent makes a return too far for me to poach (which I'm bad at), I feel that I'm useless. At one point, my partner played the whole point, with me being too tentative. Is their something I should be looking for at this position?


At the JV level you will indeed win many matches using any ol' formation, but naturally you aspire to play better tennis so I'll tailor my comments that way.

As long as your partner is at the baseline and you are at the net (ie until he also approaches the net) his goal should be to hit his groundies in such a way to increase your chance of getting involved since you have much better positioning for ending the point than he does. The wider crosscourt he hits the ball the less active you are since you need to slide closer to the alley to cover the down the line passing shot. His goal should be to thread the needle such that he avoids the netperson, but gets the ball to the backhand, say of the (right handed, deuce court baseline person, if you are the deuce court net person) opposing baseline opponent. This ball frees you up to crowd the center and take off since it would be the unusual JV player who has a well developed inside out backhand crosscourt shot.
 

Geezer Guy

Hall of Fame
Instead of starting at the side-T, try starting in the very center of the service box. This will make it easier for you to pick off returns that come close to the center, yet will let you cover the alley if they decide to test you there. (And, you should "dare" them to try the low percentage shot in the alley, instead of scaring them away from it.)

The saying goes that if you don't get passed at least a couple of times down the alley, you're not playing aggressive enough.
 

N4n45h1

Rookie
if theres anyone chinese on board, can someone teach me how to say poach in mandarin? haha im cantonese, but my partner is teaching me to speak mandarin for strategy throughout the match
 

Trinity TC

Semi-Pro
Take two small steps towards the middle of the court (center of the net) as the serve is whizzing past your ear. If your body is moving you can poach quite easily as well as react and change direction in order to cover the down the line return.

Many instruction articles say to stand there and react when the receiver makes contact...but that's way too late. Get moving first and then read the direction of the return.
 
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Kaptain Karl

Hall Of Fame
At any level -- even at the HS JV level -- sound Doubles tactics will give you a better chance of success. (Of course, you won, so you may not care, but) partners who play one UP, one Back like you described are playing in the *weakest* formation. I'd say your partner needs to work on getting to the net ... or you should drop back and form a backcourt WALL with him.

Strongest: Both at net
Second best: Both back
Weakest: Up / Back

- KK
 

dave333

Hall of Fame
Move around at net. Be a distraction. For example, try moving from the side to the center as the ball bounces so you get a better chance to poach. Very rarely willl the ball come to you for you to poach if you just stand there. Or start the point in the center and move to the sideline to try to bait them to go down the line.
 

skiracer55

Hall of Fame
All of the above...

...some pretty good advice here. If there's any consistent theme, it's "here's what you could think about doing to improve at your current level" versus "here's what the game of doubles is really all about." In men's doubles at the 4.5 level and above, there's some givens:

- Serve and volley on both serves.

- Chip and charge whenever possible. Keep the return down, make the server stretch for the volley, try to get up to net with your partner ASAP. One up/one back is a clear invitation to the other team...want a point? Just hit through the diagonal! On the other hand, if the other team knows anything about volleying and can get to the net together, assuming you and you partner elect to stay together...but on the baseline....you just lost the match. The score might be 6-4, 7-6 or 6-2, 6-3, or whatever, but you just gave away the crown jewels.

- Court positioning/strategy is not necessarily what everybody thinks, and some of this came out in the preceding comments. As one of my coaches said, "In doubles, each person has a job", to whit:

- Server. Serving from way out near the singles lines is not really a good idea. You've just telegraphed that you're going wide on your serves...and if you're not, the serve in the duece court down the T is going to be a hazard, because it'll break into your opponent rather than tailing away. If you're serving from way out, you've also just left your partner with two unenviable choices: (1) Move over to cover the hole down the middle, and give up way too much space down the line, or (2) leave the hole down the middle open...and you can mail in the results of the match, see above. Serving from a little wider than your normal service position for doubles is fine...but if you can't hit a variety of serve directions/spins from there, go work on your serve, don't go stand way out somewhere.

If you're not going to serve and volley, serve, hit the first groundstroke, and move in. If you put it off any longer than that, you're partner is stranded, the other team just took over the net, and you just lost. Obviously, a good forcing serve is essential...but as others have noted, you'd better get in at least 70% of your first serves, or...you lose.

- Server's partner. Most important player on the court. On every point, the server's partner, who is at the net, should either be faking or poaching. This means you gotta communicate with your partner, either via a strategy discussion before the point or via signals. You make the "poach or not?" decision as a team before the point, so neither one of you gets surprised. So what if your partner has a 57 m.p.h helium ball for a serve? Well, you do a lot of faking, and resolve to work on the serve next week in practice. You're also governed by what your opponents do, however. If the other team returns a 57 m.p.h helium ball to the same spot every time...well, I'd think about poaching. As somebody said above, stand maybe a racket and half's length from the net, in the middle of the service box. Yeah, you'll give up a little of the line...but the middle of the service box is just your starting point. You're allowed to move, once the point starts, if you see the returner winding up for a bullet down the line. And you're never gonna be able to poach effectively if you stand over on the singles sideline.

- Returner. Okay, I'll say it again: A doubles return is different than a singles return. Doubles is a different game than singles. All I ever play, any more, is singles, so if I wind up playing doubles, I know it's going to take me at least a set or two to get the movement, strokes, strategy and rhythm back on track.

In ATP tennis, most of the guys play Andy Roddick Smashball, where you hammer a serve, the returner tries to hit heavy crosscourt through the court, and then we settle down for some heavy-duty long range artillery with 100 m. p. h. backhands and forehands. There is a trickle down effect all the way to most public parks/NTRP/high school tennis: everybody bangs the big serve, the returner goes for a heavy topspin return, and you're off the the races. In doubles, get lots of returns back (there are two guys on the other side of the net, and they're supposed to win their serves), make the other team move and stretch, and keep the ball down. I love people who belt a return off my serve that ends up going a 100 m. p. h. three feet over the net. Response: angled volley at the net man's right hip, point over.

When you get a break in doubles, it's rarely at love. Usually, you get to 30-30, and scratch together a couple of winning points to get the break. Therefore, assuming you're both righties, who has the better backhand return in the ad court? Because at 30-40 or 40-30, you need to get the return back so you can break...and in high school tennis, the chances are you're going to see a wide serve out to the backhand. It's also a reason why if one of you has a streakier return, put that person in the duece court. If you get a winning return in the deuce court, Mr. Steady in the ad court can then finish off the job. The reverse strategy doesn't work as well.

- Returner's partner. The guy in the Danger Zone. If your partner hits a duck return, guess who's going to see the ball next? Answer: you, and the ball's going to be trying to dig you another navel. Returner's partner starts off on the service line, halfway between the center line and the singles sideline...and you're facing the server's partner...because if there's any trouble, that's where it's going to come initially. After the point gets started, follow the ball, and stay with your partner...
 
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nopiforyou

Rookie
Thanks a lot you guys. This helps me greatly. I always did wonder what role which player served as. I know volleys is probably the most important stroke in tennis, now I just need to get that down. The whole idea of moving to get those volleys sounds good, I always stood still hopelessly. I'll take it one step at a time since that sounds simple.

I guess relating to this still, the position of the server's partner. Some of you guys suggested that I simply move more to the center. But wouldn't I make my partner's serve much more ineffective because I'm blocking his options for serving, unless I want to get hit.
 

Bagumbawalla

G.O.A.T.
From what is left unsaid (unwritten) I am assuming several things-- correct me if I am mistaken.

I assume that when your partner serves he (possibly she) stays in the backcourt rather than going to net.

This is most likely why an exchange ensues between the receiver and the server. Since you are waiting at the net, it would be poor play to hit it to you.

Since you are doing OK with this strategy, I would not suggest any wild changes, but as the two of you improve and move up and out of JVs you will need to develop some more pressing tactics.

Eventually, the server will need to learn to get to the net ASAP. With both of you at the net (assuming you volley well), you will form a dangerous wall that will be difficult for the opponent to penetrate. Also, in this position, there will not be one player (at the baseline) who is weaker and who will get all the balls hit to him (possibly her). You will both be in a strong position and get chances to put the ball away.

Practice that until it is comfortable for both of you- then try it in a match.

Good luck,

B
 

skiracer55

Hall of Fame
That's why you have to....

Thanks a lot you guys. This helps me greatly. I always did wonder what role which player served as. I know volleys is probably the most important stroke in tennis, now I just need to get that down. The whole idea of moving to get those volleys sounds good, I always stood still hopelessly. I'll take it one step at a time since that sounds simple.

I guess relating to this still, the position of the server's partner. Some of you guys suggested that I simply move more to the center. But wouldn't I make my partner's serve much more ineffective because I'm blocking his options for serving, unless I want to get hit.

...either talk about what's going to happen before the point or use two part signals: you signal (1) what you're going to do and (2) where you want your partner to serve. Your partner can still hit a pretty wide serve even if you're close to the center of the box. You might have to cheat over a half step or so, but that's it...
 

Geezer Guy

Hall of Fame
... I guess relating to this still, the position of the server's partner. Some of you guys suggested that I simply move more to the center. But wouldn't I make my partner's serve much more ineffective because I'm blocking his options for serving, unless I want to get hit.

If you stand in the middle of the service box, and your partner serves from "directly behind" the middle of the other service box (not the center of the court), then there's very little chance you will be hit by a serve that would be good. You may be hit by a serve that would have been wide - but so what. Especially if you crouch a bit.

You're really only have a good chance of being hit by a ball that would have been in if your partner serves from the center hash, and aims out wide.
 

Vision84

Hall of Fame
Typically if you signal to your partner for the poach the serve should go down the T in order to cut off the angle. If the serve goes wide then the opponent can rip the ball cross court with the big angle which sounds like what you are describing. If your partnef has dificulty holding serve then i suggest you get him to serve down the T more often and use the poach to more effect. Don't do it everytime however as they may start ripping it down the line and your partnr will have a bit of a job to cover it. You want to keep them guessing.
 
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