R. Schweikart
Professional
In her short prime Venus was extremely good on fast courts.
Was often was clobbered brutally on slower courts.
Emma will end her career after the same heights as Navratilova or Serena. Maybe even as Steffi.
Emma Is The Most Marketable Player In History.
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In her short prime Venus was extremely good on fast courts.
Was often was clobbered brutally on slower courts.
Emma will end her career after the same heights as Navratilova or Serena. Maybe even as Steffi.
Mark-Touch
Legend
Venus is and always was an awkward mover.
Harry_Wild
G.O.A.T.
Product influencer today make lots of money! Top influencers get up to $100 million per year!
Mark-Touch
Legend
No amount of money can buy Serena's 24th slam.
they are fairly different(only Tamil & Malayalam have some slight similarities)...even their scripts are mostly different except for some slight overlap here and there..South India is unique in the sense that each of the 4 states have their own language and there aren't many similarities between the languages. If you go to smaller cities, towns & villages in any of these Southern states, majority of these people speak only their local language. Hindi, which is the most widely spoken language in North India is barely understood by people living in small cities, towns, villages in South India. There is also much stronger regional feeling in South India than North...lot of people in South hate it when the Central government tries to impose Hindi on them but this is a whole another topic.
I think Raducanu is much more closer to Sharapova in terms of how much she is interested about business aspect of sport...based on her interviews, she is very interested in finance and also business aspect of sports
Look at this video...how often you'll find a 17 year old mention Tom Keene of Bloomberg as one of the 3 persons that they would want to meet lol?
Just hope that she doesn't let the media hype get to her. British media has already become insanely obsessed with her
Look at this video...how often you'll find a 17 year old mention Tom Keene of Bloomberg as one of the 3 persons that they would want to meet lol?
Just hope that she doesn't let the media hype get to her. British media has already become insanely obsessed with her
liriel
Semi-Pro
Agree that if she was blonde she'd be even more popular.
She's set for life as an influencer. Unless she grows out of her cute and sweet look. She'll always have to be smiling and nice. Maybe she's like that in real life. Everyone is promoting something. She's become a huge brand without the achievement.
Having said that I have no idea how she'll handle the pressure and how great of a tennis player she'll be. What if she loses early next?
There's so much interest in her. To be honest it's quite strange to see that she has as many followers as established players.
I wish her well but knowing ATP and seeing how she's everywhere... I was tired of the USO promo of other players and now now I have to add a 18 year old who didn't even beat major players to the list.
She's set for life as an influencer. Unless she grows out of her cute and sweet look. She'll always have to be smiling and nice. Maybe she's like that in real life. Everyone is promoting something. She's become a huge brand without the achievement.
Having said that I have no idea how she'll handle the pressure and how great of a tennis player she'll be. What if she loses early next?
There's so much interest in her. To be honest it's quite strange to see that she has as many followers as established players.
I wish her well but knowing ATP and seeing how she's everywhere... I was tired of the USO promo of other players and now now I have to add a 18 year old who didn't even beat major players to the list.
Raul_SJ
G.O.A.T.
There are thousands of free public tennis courts in America. But none in Bangalore or probably the entire country of India. We asked why and were told that the nets will be stolen and courts will be vandalized. Can only play on private paid courts.
R. Schweikart
Professional
Emma's parents both work in the financial sector.
So she may be interested in financial matters.
But that has nothing to do whether her main goal is to win tennis tournaments like Navratilova, Steffi, Serena or to make as much money as possible like Kournikova, Sharapova, Osaka.
R. Schweikart
Professional
Women don't lose their smile when they grow older. Enna will always have this lovely smile, even at 50.
Was the same with Steffi whose teenage smile captured the hearts of millions of tennis fans in the late 80s. She has the same smile today (and legs of course!).
And I don't think Emma will become a woke money girl; for her playing good tennis and winning titles will be paramount.
R. Schweikart
Professional
Federer and Sugarpova are the GOATs in terms of marketability.
Nobody comes close, not even Emma.
I don't believe that.
Yes, I have seen many ads and commercials with Roger Federer.
But Sharapova?
I don't remember even one. Where and with whom did she make these alleged tons of money?
Sunny014
Legend
Globally Highest Paid Female Sportspersons every year since 1990
1990 Steffi Graf
1991 Monica Seles
1992 Monica Seles
1993 Stefi Graf
1994 Steffi Graf
1995 Steffi Graf
1996 Steffi Graf
1997 Martina Hingis
1998 Martina Hingis
1999 Martina Hingis
2000 Martina Hingis
2001 Martina Hingis
2002 Venus Williams
2003 Venus Williams
2004 Serena Williams
2005 Maria Sugarpova
2006 Maria Sugarpova
2007 Maria Sugarpova
2008 Maria Sugarpova
2009 Maria Sugarpova
2010 Maria Sugarpova
2011 Maria Sugarpova
2012 Maria Sugarpova
2013 Maria Sugarpova
2014 Maria Sugarpova
2015 Maria Sugarpova
2016 Serena Williams
2017 Serena Williams
2018 Serena Williams
2019 Serena Williams
2020 Naomi Osaka
R. Schweikart
Professional
Raducanu is the first player post-Steffi where I immediately thought that this girl can win 10plus slams.
R. Schweikart
Professional
Yes, I believe that mostly (except 1991/92).
DRII
G.O.A.T.
See, this is judgement I just can't trust.
How you even allowed such words to come from those fat little digits you call your fingers is beyond me!
Sunny014
Legend
Believe it Scheweikart, Seles was even ahead of men in that period, your Steffi was inferior to her.
World's Highest Paid Athletes 1991
www.topendsports.com
The list was published by Forbes in August 1991. Earnings totals include salaries, bonuses, prize money, endorsements and appearance fees. See also the top earning lists from other years.
| Name | Sport | Nationality | earnings ($ million) | previous year | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1. | Evander Holyfield | boxing | USA | 60.5 | =8 |
| 2. | Mike Tyson | boxing | USA | 31.5 | 1 |
| 3. | Michael Jordan | basketball | USA | 16.0 | =8 |
| 4. | George Foreman | boxing | USA | 14.5 | >30 |
| 5. | Ayrton Senna | auto racing | Brazil | 13.0 | 4 |
| 6. | Alain Prost | auto racing | France | 11.0 | 5 |
| 7. | Donovan "Razor" Ruddock | boxing | Canada | 10.2 | >30 |
| 8. | Arnold Palmer | golf | USA | 9.3 | =8 |
| 9. | Nigel Mansell | auto racing | UK | 9.0 | 12 |
| 10. | Sugar Ray Leonard | golf | USA | 8.5 | 6 |
1992
Jordan is World's Highest Paid Athlete in 1992
www.topendsports.com
| Name | Sport | Nationality | earnings ($ million) | previous year | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1. | Michael Jordan | Basketball | USA | 35.9 | 3 |
| 2. | Evander Holyfield | Boxing | USA | 28.0 | 1 |
| 3. | Ayrton Senna | Auto Racing | Brazil | 22.0 | 5 |
| 4. | Nigel Mansell | Auto Racing | UK | 14.5 | 9 |
| 5. | Arnold Palmer | Golf | USA | 11.1 | 8 |
| 6. | Andre Agassi | Tennis | USA | 11.0 | 17 |
| 7. | Joe Montana | NFL | USA | 9.5 | 13 |
| 8. | Sugar Ray Leonard | Golf | USA | 9.2 | 10 |
| 9. | Jim Courier | Tennis | USA | 9.0 | >40 |
| 10. | Monica Seles | Tennis | USA | 8.5 | 12 |
DRII
G.O.A.T.
My post was not about Venus' success on whatever surface, it was about her movement, which was some of the fastest most explosive in history!
Oh and peak Venus > Graf!
and for someone you claimed that got brutally clobbered on slower surfaces, Venus beat Graf on clay and Henin!
DRII
G.O.A.T.
My gosh how Boxing has fallen!
DRII
G.O.A.T.
Federer is not GOAT regarding all male athletes in marketing!Federer and Sugarpova are the GOATs in terms of marketability.
Nobody comes close, not even Emma.
Sunny014
Legend
DRII
G.O.A.T.
She was right on with Gemma Chang! That woman is beautiful!
DRII
G.O.A.T.
you mean no male tennis player comes close.
there have been a few male athletes reaching 1 billion in net worth before Federer got there!
R. Schweikart
Professional
What you don't understand is that Seles was an IMG client.
They had means to "convince" US media that their clients made the most money.
I don't think that US media had any inside knowledge how much money Steffi made. Heck, even the taxman didn't know it then ....
Sunny014
Legend
I meant that In Tennis Federer is the Male GOAT of Brand Value and Popularity by far
Worldwide across all sports obv Federerer is not supreme, there are greater brands.
Michael Jordan is the Ultimate GOAT of all the GOATs worldwide, Tiger Woods comes after him.
Sunny014
Legend
What you don't understand is that Seles was an IMG client.
They had means to "convince" US media that their clients made the most money.
I don't think that US media had any inside knowledge how much money Steffi made. Heck, even the taxman didn't know it then ....
U r silly, no cure to your fanaticism.
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And most get nothing!
R. Schweikart
Professional
PrinceMoron
Legend
My PT tells me someone on her management team is a member at my club, only took on the role 2 months ago. Will find out more
R. Schweikart
Professional
You deny that Seles was an IMG client?
Or that in the 1996 trial against Peter Graf it was revealed that Steffi had earned almost triple the amount of money as previously thought?
PrinceMoron
Legend
That is an awful carpetFederer and Sugarpova are the GOATs in terms of marketability.
Nobody comes close, not even Emma.
DRII
G.O.A.T.
Oh, in Hanover, but that was on carpet back then...V. Williams beat Steffi on clay???
anyway Steffi got her azz beat by Venus! If they had played on clay, i'm sure Venus would have held her own. Venus did beat Henin on clay!
R. Schweikart
Professional
Oh, carpet and not clay....
Steffi leads the H2H against Venus, handed her her ass in the 99 Wimbledon quarters. Just a fews week before her retirement. Only after Steffi's retirement Venus began to rule in Wimbledon.
Beating Henin on clay in 2002? When Henin was still maturing and had 21 (!) losses that year?
Steffi must have been shaking in her boots at the thought of having had to play against clay monster Venus....
Steffi is 274-31 win/loss on clay. By far the best winning percentage on that surface of the last 40 years.
She had many of her losses as a 13/15-year-old kid. After turning 16 her clay record is an insane 250-19.
250-19!
She would have steamrolled Venus.
Mark-Touch
Legend
I can't even remember who your previous avatar was?
Who did you just ditch?
Dolgopolov85
G.O.A.T.
That's one player. As opposed to Vika, Masha, Petra and so many others who simply lack the mobility of 5 9" players. And 5 9" doesn't make Emma small. Actually women's tennis has been dominated by shortish players in recent times so she looks tallish next to Barty.
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Dolgopolov85
G.O.A.T.
Well, for example, I as a Tamilian simply cannot understand Telugu or Kannada. And if I hadn't grown up in Mumbai, I wouldn't understand a word of Hindi. Basically there are almost zero loan words between these languages. And then, the medium of instruction in many schools is English. So we end up learning that too, which is, once again, nothing like any Indian language.
This is reaching back into history but India was just a loose collection of kingdoms before the British made a nation-state out of it. So it's not a surprise that India has tremendous diversity, particularly linguistic diversity.
-NN-
G.O.A.T.
Osaka is quite tall, taller than Radu anyway. No Sharapova, of course.
Azure
G.O.A.T.
Agree with most of it but the part in bold. The idea of India as a kingdom was already seeded by the Magadha empire centuries before the British even began knowing the existence of this part of the world. Even before that you can see the idea of Bharatavarsha in many ancient texts - usually spanning the expanse from present day Afghanistan to places as far as Burma. Besides, the British didn't do much to halt severing of Afghanistan and later Pakistan. Thanks to the likes of Patel, some of the other kingdoms like Travancore, Hyderabad etc agreed to be part of India after much cajoling.
As far as @Mark-Touch 's point goes - the languages are vastly different. The scripts change too, so anyone who is multilingual is truly learning very different languages.
Mark-Touch
Legend
Last time I checked Osaka was 5'11", has she shrunk?
Dolgopolov85
G.O.A.T.
I stand corrected then.
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
She’s very appealing. However:
Roger Federer’s Biggest Legacy? It Might Be His Billion-Dollar Brand. (Published 2021)
Other tennis superstars have built sponsorship empires. But none ever wooed the corporate class as brilliantly as Federer.
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DRII
G.O.A.T.
You realize you're counting a win Graf had against Venus when she was like 15 in order for her to lead H2H.Oh, carpet and not clay....
Steffi leads the H2H against Venus, handed her her ass in the 99 Wimbledon quarters. Just a fews week before her retirement. Only after Steffi's retirement Venus began to rule in Wimbledon.
Beating Henin on clay in 2002? When Henin was still maturing and had 21 (!) losses that year?
Steffi must have been shaking in her boots at the thought of having had to play against clay monster Venus....
Steffi is 274-31 win/loss on clay. By far the best winning percentage on that surface of the last 40 years.
She had many of her losses as a 13/15-year-old kid. After turning 16 her clay record is an insane 250-19.
250-19!
She would have steamrolled Venus.
Again, peak Venus overwhelmes peak Graf on everything besides maybe slow red clay. Her power and explosiveness and athleticism was second to none!
Raul_SJ
G.O.A.T.
Can we invest in his company? Is it public?
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Does she hold Chinese or Rumanian citizenship? Does she carry a Chinese or Rumanian passport? No? It is interesting that she still carries a Canadian passport.
Dolgopolov85
G.O.A.T.
Well, being that she was born in Canada, I guess she was automatically entitled to Canadian citizenship? And British citizenship by naturalization. OTOH her parents had already left Romania/China so it's not surprising that she doesn't hold citizenship of those countries.
TimHenmanATG
Hall of Fame
It's not particularly "interesting".
Presumably, she would have travelled on her parents' passports until very recently.
Passports aren't a statement of national identity.