Everything about Murray is boring

90's Clay

90's Clay

Banned
For that reason alone. I'll root for RaoMUG who is more of a throwback from the old school 90s.

1. Boring game (Maybe the most boring game in history to witness)
2. Bland Boring Outfit


I could actually see fans (Outside of the UK) leaving tennis in droves as fans if this guy ever became dominant.
 
eagletennis

eagletennis

Semi-Pro
Disagree.His game is not most exciting but his in game tantrums are great.Just weird individual in very positive way
 
Mainad

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Don't know about that but I can certainly see posters on TTW leaving in droves if you ever became dominant on here.

I guess affecting to find Servebot Milos' game more interesting than Murray's just about sums up what you appear to think is the way everyone should play tennis. Thank heavens most of us have far more taste, perception and understanding of the game than you have!
 
Tshooter

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
Murray has among the more interesting games.

The first time I saw him was 2004 USO Boys and I couldn't believe the junk balls he hit his opponents all of who played standard junior ball bashing tennis. I wondered if Murray's more creative game would transfer to the pros. Of course, it turned out it did and he came up like a rocket. In 2005 he breezed through the qualies and was outplaying Clement in R1 until he cramped up, threw up and went away in the 5th. In 2006 he made the R16 runnning out of gas against The Russian Ball Machine on day two of a match that was carried over due to rain. He was a solid pro by that point and he still had the slice and dice when he wanted it. Once he got physically strong and added a big serve to his all around game he became a top player.

Raonic is one of the most boring machines that's ever played. He is a threat to the game. Not in a good way.
 
augustobt

augustobt

Legend
Depends. If aggressive Murray is on? Quite interesting player with A LOT of variety, but he only pops up once in a season, he just prefers to be a pusher 99% of the matches (specially when he meets the top guys except Nadal on hard courts). But I remember that Raonic vs Murray was one of the great matches we've seen in the Australian Open, Milos could've made that Final if he hadn't suffered an injury in the fourth.
 
Mr.Lob

Mr.Lob

G.O.A.T.
Enjoy watching Murray play. Don't really care for his antics after each point is over. Too much dramatics: pouting, yelling at his box, weird facial contortions. If Murray wins, he and Serena will be newly crowned Drama Mama and Drama Daddy of Wimbledon. o_O
 
Meles

Meles

Bionic Poster
90's Clay said:
For that reason alone. I'll root for RaoMUG who is more of a throwback from the old school 90s.

1. Boring game (Maybe the most boring game in history to witness)
2. Bland Boring Outfit


I could actually see fans (Outside of the UK) leaving tennis in droves as fans if this guy ever became dominant.
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You nailed on his outfit. The under armour is horrible. In black he looks like a beached seal:
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Thiem in black:
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Now, that's style.
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Murray's game is about as ugly as his clothing, but what a fighter and a warrior.
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If Murray only had a serve and now he's starting to get one. You're not going to be happy.:confused:
 
Meles

Meles

Bionic Poster
Tshooter said:
Murray has among the more interesting games.

The first time I saw him was 2004 USO Boys and I couldn't believe the junk balls he hit his opponents all of who played standard junior ball bashing tennis. I wondered if Murray's more creative game would transfer to the pros. Of course, it turned out it did and he came up like a rocket. In 2005 he breezed through the qualies and was outplaying Clement in R1 until he cramped up, threw up and went away in the 5th. In 2006 he made the R16 runnning out of gas against The Russian Ball Machine on day two of a match that was carried over due to rain. He was a solid pro by that point and he still had the slice and dice when he wanted it. Once he got physically strong and added a big serve to his all around game he became a top player.

Raonic is one of the most boring machines that's ever played. He is a threat to the game. Not in a good way.
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I loved how he toyed with Nadal in the 2008 US Open semi. He was a wizard in that match. Unfortunately he usually gets his doors blown off trying to pull that stuff these days.:(

Raonic has become a volleybot and he's not a threat to the game because the only chance he has is on surface that reward that kind of play (Auz and Wimby). Its a difference maker and offers a refreshing contrast to the baseline wars of late. You have to appreciate what he gets out of his game given his inferior mobility. Brilliant player.
 
ACE of Hearts

ACE of Hearts

Bionic Poster
I just hope raonic doesn't go out in straight sets tomorrow and actually competes. He might pull a berdych. I think he needs a high ace count tomorrow to have any chance
 
Meles

Meles

Bionic Poster
ACE of Hearts said:
I just hope raonic doesn't go out in straight sets tomorrow and actually competes. He might pull a berdych. I think he needs a high ace count tomorrow to have any chance
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Berdych needs to go away. He eliminates many of the interesting players in the draw who might have done a better SF and then he lays a big fat egg in the SF instead. This tournament settles it for me.;)
 
Tshooter

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
Meles said:
I loved how he toyed with Nadal in the 2008 US Open semi. He was a wizard in that match...
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Were you at that match ? I was at that match. I think it was Murray's first Major semi match.

If you were not there, do you know it's the only time USO has ever played a men's semis not on the main court ? They played it on Armstrong. Open seating.

When Steve Ulrich did the coin toss there were maybe a few hundred people there tops. They made no announcement that the match was being moved and everyone was over watching the other semi. I blew of the Fed match because I wanted to see a men's semi on Armstrong, courtside. I knew that would likely be a one time only occurrence (and it was). :D

They locked it down toward the tail end of the Fed-Djoker match and a buddy that couldn't get in told me there was a near riot from people trying to get in and they had to move in some cops for a show of force. It was never more than maybe 35-40% full but they must have decided to lock it in the interest of crowd safety but I bumped into some very upset people after the match that did not get in.

After the rain halted it they finished the match on Ashe the next day. Ashe sucks. Armstrong is a great court. 2016 is the last year for Armstrong.

R.I.P. Armstrong Stadium. :(
 
Meles

Meles

Bionic Poster
Tshooter said:
Were you at that match ? I was at that match. I think it was Murray's first Major semi match.

If you were not there, do you know it's the only time USO has ever played a men's semis not on the main court ? They played it on Armstrong. Open seating.

When Steve Ulrich did the coin toss there were maybe a few hundred people there tops. They made no announcement that the match was being moved and everyone was over watching the other semi. I blew of the Fed match because I wanted to see a men's semi on Armstrong, courtside. I knew that would likely be a one time only occurrence (and it was). :D

They locked it down toward the tail end of the Fed-Djoker match and a buddy that couldn't get in told me there was a near riot from people trying to get in and they had to move in some cops for a show of force. It was never more than maybe 35-40% full but they must have decided to lock it in the interest of crowd safety but I bumped into some very upset people after the match that did not get in.

After the rain halted it they finished the match on Ashe the next day. Ashe sucks. Armstrong is a great court. 2016 is the last year for Armstrong.

R.I.P. Armstrong Stadium. :(
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No. I just saw it on TV. Big Murray fan at the time. That is an awesome story.
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Are they replacing Armstrong? Ashe is going to be interesting with the roof this year. I think the narrow opening (when its open) will create a kind of Bernoulli affect as the heat trys to escape. This will lower air pressure on the court and make it play faster. Advantage Fed.
 
Meles

Meles

Bionic Poster
Tshooter said:
Were you at that match ? I was at that match. I think it was Murray's first Major semi match.

If you were not there, do you know it's the only time USO has ever played a men's semis not on the main court ? They played it on Armstrong. Open seating.

When Steve Ulrich did the coin toss there were maybe a few hundred people there tops. They made no announcement that the match was being moved and everyone was over watching the other semi. I blew of the Fed match because I wanted to see a men's semi on Armstrong, courtside. I knew that would likely be a one time only occurrence (and it was). :D

They locked it down toward the tail end of the Fed-Djoker match and a buddy that couldn't get in told me there was a near riot from people trying to get in and they had to move in some cops for a show of force. It was never more than maybe 35-40% full but they must have decided to lock it in the interest of crowd safety but I bumped into some very upset people after the match that did not get in.

After the rain halted it they finished the match on Ashe the next day. Ashe sucks. Armstrong is a great court. 2016 is the last year for Armstrong.

R.I.P. Armstrong Stadium. :(
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No. I just saw it on TV. Big Murray fan at the time. That is an awesome story.
sbowing_100-106.gif


Are they replacing Armstrong? Ashe is going to be interesting with the roof this year. I think the narrow opening (when its open) will create a kind of Bernoulli affect as the heat trys to escape. This will lower air pressure on the court and make it play faster. Advantage Fed.
 
DerekNoleFam1

DerekNoleFam1

Hall of Fame
Tshooter said:
Murray has among the more interesting games.

The first time I saw him was 2004 USO Boys and I couldn't believe the junk balls he hit his opponents all of who played standard junior ball bashing tennis. I wondered if Murray's more creative game would transfer to the pros. Of course, it turned out it did and he came up like a rocket. In 2005 he breezed through the qualies and was outplaying Clement in R1 until he cramped up, threw up and went away in the 5th. In 2006 he made the R16 runnning out of gas against The Russian Ball Machine on day two of a match that was carried over due to rain. He was a solid pro by that point and he still had the slice and dice when he wanted it. Once he got physically strong and added a big serve to his all around game he became a top player.

Raonic is one of the most boring machines that's ever played. He is a threat to the game. Not in a good way.
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I agree about Murray, he is an interesting character and an offensive all court player.
Have always enjoyed watching him play, including the much-maligned Djokoray finals. (by predominantly Fedal fans)
Disagree with the last statement, Raonic often gets criticized as being boring, but has evolved his game and worked hard to improve in all areas.
He is a likable young man as well.
Leaning towards Murray tonight local time, but a great day for tennis to have a new finalist as well.
 
Gary Duane

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
Mainad said:
Don't know about that but I can certainly see posters on TTW leaving in droves if you ever became dominant on here.

I guess affecting to find Servebot Milos' game more interesting than Murray's just about sums up what you appear to think is the way everyone should play tennis. Thank heavens most of us have far more taste, perception and understanding of the game than you have!
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I'd rather watch 50 hours of matches back to back from Murray than have to read 10 posts from this guy.

The only thing boring about Murray is when he has to play someone with the same style - no contrast. Watching Roanic against another servebot is way more boring - it just ends faster.

Raonic against Murray is a great contrast in styles. If the match is even and played on a high level, I will thoroughly enjoy it. Plus their is history to be made for either the UK or for Canada. Plus the UK may not contain Scotland soon...
 
Tshooter

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
Meles said:
Are they replacing Armstrong? Ashe is going to be interesting with the roof this year. I think the narrow opening (when its open) will create a kind of Bernoulli affect as the heat trys to escape. This will lower air pressure on the court and make it play faster. Advantage Fed.
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2016 is the last year Grandstand and Armstrong will be up.
 
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Tshooter

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
Meles said:
No. I just saw it on TV. Big Murray fan at the time. That is an awesome story.
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Thank you.

The longer version is stranger. Suffice to say, if you want to know whether they are opening a court for play that they insist they are not keep your eye on the food carts. If they start moving in the food, they are playing no matter what some USTA flunky tells you !
 
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Tshooter

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
Meles said:
...Are they replacing Armstrong? Ashe is going to be interesting with the roof this year. I think the narrow opening (when its open) will create a kind of Bernoulli affect as the heat trys to escape. This will lower air pressure on the court and make it play faster. Advantage Fed.
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2016 is the last year Grandstand and Armstrong will be up. Grandstand will be used strictly as a practice court. Armstrong will be used for matches. After the 2016 USO they will take down Armstrong and the GS and build the new stadium with a roof, which may or may not have a new name. :confused: I don't think it is scheduled to open until 2018 and there will be some temporary court to take up the slack from the missing Armstrong.

Here are some useful Q+As from the USTA about the changes. There will be a LOT more people on the grounds. Whether the modifications will be enough to offset the increased crowds remains to be seen. This year will be the most radical changes since they built those ugly brick stands on the field courts many years ago.

http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/ar..._about_the_us_open_transformation.html?chip=4

Q: Is seating in the new Grandstand on a first-come, first-served basis like before?

A: The new Grandstand will consist of a mixture of reserved courtside seats and general admission seats. You can purchase a ticket for a reserved seat for the first eight days of the tournament, or you can access the other seats on a first-come, first-served basis.

Q: Are there any other construction projects planned?

A: Yes, a temporary court will be erected in 2017 while the new Louis Armstrong Stadium is being built. The new, 14,000-seat stadium is the final phase of the transformation project and is scheduled to be complete and ready for play for the 2018 US Open. When finished, 85 percent of the USTA Billie Jean King National Tennis Center will have been renovated as part of the US Open’s strategic transformation.

The below Q + A is, IMO. disingenous. The bottom line to me is how much tennis do you get for one ticket and how close can you sit. Removing the GS which was one of the best courts in the place and replacing it with a giant version of ct 17 and then taking all of the closest sections and charging for them (the entire old GS was open seating) is effectively a huge price increase if you want to see the same quality of matches and from a similar vantage point as you could have before. You would have to by a seperate ticket for what used to be included. On the other hand, you don't have to fight with some half-drunk frat boy trying to save 6 seats all day for his "bros."

"Q: Will these changes impact ticket prices?

A: The strategic transformation will have no impact on ticket prices. The USTA is self-financing the entire cost of the improvements through a combination of bonds and USTA revenue generation. No public funds will be utilized.

You can see a rendering here. It doesn't look like they will modify the walkway from the East Gate to Ashe fountains nor mess with the food court. So I'm having a hard time understanding how it won't feel more crowded but I'll keep an open mind until I experience it myself.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2014/06/23/Finance/USTA-bond-sale.aspx
 
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zep

Hall of Fame
Mainad said:
I guess affecting to find Servebot Milos' game more interesting than Murray's just about sums up what you appear to think is the way everyone should play tennis.
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I would have agreed with you before this Wimbledon but Raonic has seriously impressed me by the way he played against Federer. He did not beat Federer by serveboting. He was pretty good from all parts of the court. He was volleying well, slicing like I have never seen him do before and hitting his FH with power and authority. He even hit some excellent passing shots on big points. I mean look at the point he won to break Federer in the 5th set. Federer wins points like that against pretty much anybody. I did not find him boring at all like I used to do before.
 
Z

zep

Hall of Fame
Mainad said:
I guess affecting to find Servebot Milos' game more interesting than Murray's just about sums up what you appear to think is the way everyone should play tennis.
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I would have agreed with you before this Wimbledon but Raonic has seriously impressed me by the way he played against Federer. He did not beat Federer by serveboting. He was pretty good from all parts of the court. He was volleying well, slicing like I have never seen him do before and hitting his FH with power and authority. He even hit some excellent passes on big points. I mean look at the point he won to break Federer in the 5th set. Federer wins points like that against pretty much anybody. I did not find him boring at all like I used to do before.
 
Tshooter

Tshooter

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DerekNoleFam1 said:
I agree about Murray, he is an interesting character and an offensive all court player.
Have always enjoyed watching him play, including the much-maligned Djokoray finals. (by predominantly Fedal fans)
Disagree with the last statement, Raonic often gets criticized as being boring, but has evolved his game and worked hard to improve in all areas.
He is a likable young man as well.
Leaning towards Murray tonight local time, but a great day for tennis to have a new finalist as well.
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I'm not a fan of Milos. Apart from the boring (to me) game (that serve motion, ugh) he has a studied boring demeanor. He doesn't get that Pete wasn't trying to be boring intentionally like Milos, he was naturally boring. There must be a personality somewhere under that Milos boring veneer.
 
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90's Clay said:
For that reason alone. I'll root for RaoMUG who is more of a throwback from the old school 90s.

1. Boring game (Maybe the most boring game in history to witness)
2. Bland Boring Outfit


I could actually see fans (Outside of the UK) leaving tennis in droves as fans if this guy ever became dominant.
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agreed......he is the most boring top player with no visible weapons......
 
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Start da Game

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90's Clay said:
For that reason alone. I'll root for RaoMUG who is more of a throwback from the old school 90s.

1. Boring game (Maybe the most boring game in history to witness)
2. Bland Boring Outfit


I could actually see fans (Outside of the UK) leaving tennis in droves as fans if this guy ever became dominant.
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agreed......he is the most boring top player with no visible weapons......
 
S

*Sparkle*

Professional
Billy Jean King said that Murray is fantastic to watch, uses tonnes of skill, but that his game is under-appreciated by some, because a lot of what he does is too subtle for some. If you think he's boring to watch, it's probably because you don't understand the more sophisticated elements of the game, or you need a better tv!

Raonic's game is a lot less interesting than Murray's, but to be fair, he's a lot better than he used to be, and against a great all court player, the matches become a lot more interesting. At least you get some good highlights, even if there are too many boring points with unreturned serves if you are watching live.
 
S

*Sparkle*

Professional
Billy Jean King said that Murray is fantastic to watch, uses tonnes of skill, but that his game is under-appreciated by some, because a lot of what he does is too subtle for some. If you think he's boring to watch, it's probably because you don't understand the more sophisticated elements of the game, or you need a better tv!

Raonic's game is a lot less interesting than Murray's, but to be fair, he's a lot better than he used to be, and against a great all court player, the matches become a lot more interesting. At least you get some good highlights, even if there are too many boring points with unreturned serves if you are watching live.
 
Krish872007

Krish872007

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Noleberic123 said:
How is Milos any more exciting? :eek:
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Probably more exciting than 90s Clay's idol Pete, who was the reason courts slowed down in the last 15-20 years.
Pete's also moving down the ATG ladder - guys like Pancho Gonzales were simply unbelievable. World #1 for 8 years in the 50s/60s, beat Laver at the age of 41 in Madison Square Garden at a time when Laver was basically the No. 1 player in the world, winning records against basically everyone (if that matters), 15 Pro Slams and 2 Majors, etc.
And they had to change the rules of tennis because he was so good
 
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Dolgopolov85

G.O.A.T.
augustobt said:
Depends. If aggressive Murray is on? Quite interesting player with A LOT of variety, but he only pops up once in a season, he just prefers to be a pusher 99% of the matches (specially when he meets the top guys except Nadal on hard courts). But I remember that Raonic vs Murray was one of the great matches we've seen in the Australian Open, Milos could've made that Final if he hadn't suffered an injury in the fourth.
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Balanced comment. I like aggressive Murray but not the passive version and he tends to be passive more often than not. But it's good that Lendl's back because he did get more confident during Lendl's last stint and early indications are that it's happening again.
 
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