Fed Fans - If you could swap the results of Fedovic RG 2011 and USO 2011, would you?

[JacksonColt]

Nadal beat a fit peak Fed many times while Djokovic never accomplished that. Fact of liife. jajaja !

Oh yes? Take those losses however you want bud. Mono, bad back, old, declined or decrepit. Jajaja! Federeristas are so much fun.

 

[tennisaddict]

Yep I guess so after he got slaughtered on the same court where "he let the world know" something the year before. Jaja! Cherish that bagel bud, but it wasn't much better than the trashing he got in Rome that year. Jajaja!

20 is 133% of 15.

 

[True Fanerer]

Yep I guess so after he got slaughtered on the same court where "he let the world know" something the year before. Jaja! Cherish that bagel bud, but it wasn't much better than the trashing he got in Rome that year. Jajaja!

It's an ace in the hole that you don't have. jajaja!

 

[ghostofMecir]

As long as we get the finger point of doom and an awesome return.

Sure.

 

[JacksonColt]

20 is 133% of 15.

15 silver dollars > 12 quarters + 8 silver dollars.

 

[JacksonColt]

It's an ace in the hole that you don't have. jajaja!

Oh it's one bagel in 47 matches so cherish it with all your Federista vigor. Just remember 25 > 22. Jajaja!

 

[ghostofMecir]

I guess the wins over Nadal do matter more when there are so little of them. Jajaja!

Oh he let the world alright. He let it know that he can beat Djoker again after 3 straight losses and let it know that he could use another plate for dinner parties in Zurich. Jaja!

Yep I guess so after he got slaughtered on the same court where "he let the world know" something the year before. Jaja! Cherish that bagel bud, but it wasn't much better than the trashing he got in Rome that year. Jajaja!

Oh yes? Take those losses however you want bud. Mono, bad back, old, declined or decrepit. Jajaja! Federeristas are so much fun.

Is this something you copy and paste at the end of all your posts or your type it out? Strange.

Also:

 

[Sport]

He would have lost to Nadal at the USO anyway so no. His win over 2011ovic, snapping his streak, and on clay no less, is one of his best non-tournament-winning efforts

Well said.

 

[Nadalgaenger]

No. Fed ending the streak was EPIC. Nobody saw him winning that!

 

[JacksonColt]

Is this something you copy and paste at the end of all your posts or your type it out? Strange.

Also:

Jaja!

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

He let the world know again the following year at Wimby and added a Cincinnati bagel to boot. Jaja!

I still wonder how did that cincy fedr fade away suddenly at USO12??

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

Jaja!

Would you please tell, What does jaja mean in your language??
In my language, jaja means "go, go away"... (Told sometimes in lovely as well as frustrating moment)

 

[JacksonColt]

Would you please tell, What does jaja mean in your language??
In my language, jaja means "go, go away"... (Told sometimes in lovely as well as frustrating moment)

It is the Spanish equivalent of "haha". Since Federistas make me laugh so intensely, I have to laugh in another language that I am fluent in because "haha" does not quite capture the full extent of my laughter. Ok I am going to leave you guys alone now. I have trolled enough in here at your expense and I am only having fun, but I can tell you guys are mad so I leave you alone now.

 

[3lite]

Of course they would.

Djokovic took their boy's soul that dad and has yet to return it.

Not because he doesn't want to.

But because Federer keeps avoiding Djokovic in fear of their H2H standings.

 

[helterskelter]

I'm one of the few Fed fans that's never been confident in his USO chances against Nadal in 2011. Nor am I completely convinced Novak would have beaten Rafa in Paris had they met in the final.

So idk if I can risk it.

Neither Djokovic v Nadal in Paris nor Federer v Nadal in New York has a guaranteed outcome, of course. But the only risk is the changed US Open semi. Nadal won the RG final, so him beating Djokovic rather than Federer in the final doesn't change much.

 

[BeatlesFan]

As the biggest Federer fan here I wouldn't change a thing. The Fingerwager Streakenderer was pretty great, while that return on match point was just awesome. I wasn't upset by it at all.

Can you live up to being voted the best Djoker fan as voted in Hitman’s 2018 poll? Haven’t seen evidence of it.

 

[MeatTornado]

Neither Djokovic v Nadal in Paris nor Federer v Nadal in New York has a guaranteed outcome, of course. But the only risk is the changed US Open semi. Nadal won the RG final, so him beating Djokovic rather than Federer in the final doesn't change much.

But if Nadal beat Novak in Paris, Federer beating him in NY would be less special, and therefore not worth it to me.

The Paris SF was such a big moment because Novak was on a 41 match winning streak. The only thing that would be bigger than that is if Roger stopped him from winning the Calendar Slam, which could only happen if Novak beat Nadal in Paris. So there is a difference to me.

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

It is the Spanish equivalent of "haha". Since Federistas make me laugh so intensely, I have to laugh in another language that I am fluent in because "haha" does not quite capture the full extent of my laughter. Ok I am going to leave you guys alone now. I have trolled enough in here at your expense and I am only having fun, but I can tell you guys are mad so I leave you alone now.

Well, personally speaking, I am not kind of a person who'll get mad or lose mental balance just due to some trolling posts at a social media forum talking tennis... So please don't leave us alone.. xD

Nice to know you're a Spaniard...
Vamos

 

[King No1e]

I know this is for FedFans, but for me, no. Djokovic would have likely lost the final anyway, and it takes away his most epic title run at USO11. The USO triumph was nothing short of legendary, and in no universe would I want Federer to thwart it

 

[King No1e]

Well, personally speaking, I am not kind of a person who'll get mad or lose mental balance just due to some trolling posts at a social media forum talking tennis... So please don't leave us alone.. xD

Nice to know you're a Spaniard...
Vamos

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[Im(moral) Winner]

USO title would have been guaranteed since RAFA can't defend non-clay titles. But would be interesting if RAFA beats Novak at RG, would he also beat him at Wimbledon then?

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

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Now what does this mean bro??!!!

 

[KINGROGER]

You can shrink the sample size if you really want. But still, both of those matches that Fed won were at the YEC, which is probably the best place for him in this particular match up. Nadal has proved himself already at that point, both against Fed and the rest of the field, in other conditions.

Anyway, the easiest thing in the world is to get cocky about the outcome of a match that will never take place. There can't be any potential egg in the face and excuses if it goes wrong.

USO suits Fed’s game more than Rafa’s (back then) just like YEC surface does.

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

I mean, 2011 USO SF loss was probably the loss I have been most pissed with in my time watching sport LOL. **** that match (great match).

Same. A haymaker return and a netchord? PUH-LEASE. Indeed a great match though, and Fed likes to lose plenty of those.

The Anderson loss in 5 after MPs, Nadal beating Delpo in 5 AND England losing to Croatia all in the same DAY was up there, though. That Wednesday can absolutely do one.

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

I think the only folks who are unreasonable are the Djoker fans when most here including myself are saying Nadal is the favorite but Fed would have definitely made it difficult.

Yet it looks like your camp will be happy only if we concede Fed would be thrashed badly even beyond what happened at RG 08.

Not at all LOL. But it's quite obvious that Nadal had the upper hand then, and not just on his favorite surface. Me opposing your prediction that Fed would have taken a couple of sets easily doesn't mean I was suggesting a RG 2008-like beatdown or worse. A lot of possible scenarios in between these two.

Can you live up to being voted the best Djoker fan as voted in Hitman’s 2018 poll? Haven’t seen evidence of it.

By the end of 2019, you will.

 

[ForehandRF]

2011 USO SF is probably the worst choke of Fed's career and changed the rivalry on hard courts between him and Novak.After that, I think Federer never thruly believe that he can beat Djokovic again in a HC slam.Second year in a row losing to the same man after having match points, that takes a toll mentally.I don't know if I would like to swap the results, but that USO SF probably changed tennis history

 

[RS]

2011 USO SF is probably the worst choke of Fed's career and changed the rivalry on hard courts between him and Novak.After that, I think Federer never thruly believe that he can beat Djokovic again in a HC slam.Second year in a row losing to the same man after having match points, that takes a toll mentally.I don't know if I would like to swap the results, but that USO SF probably changed tennis history

He recovered well after that and went on streak from the 2011 indoor swing to Cincy 2012 and was the best player in the world.

 

[ForehandRF]

Yes, but he never defeated Novak on a HC slam again

 

[RS]

Yes, but he never defeated Novak on a HC slam again

True. The meetings did take place in 2015-16 which was a while later and when most think Fed declined badly.

 

[True Fanerer]

I still wonder how did that cincy fedr fade away suddenly at USO12??

I think the Fish WO didn't do him any favors. He didn't have any rhythm the first two sets.

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

I think the Fish WO didn't do him any favors. He didn't have any rhythm the first two sets.

But still the loss is unexplainable..
Birdman of all people having fed's number in those 4 years of 2010-13 is one of the biggest mysteries of tennis
Also the WTF final loss to nole is frustrating... Fed was a break up in 1st and playing extremely aggressive up until losing break

 

[ForehandRF]

True. The meetings did take place in 2015-16 which was a while later and when most think Fed declined badly.

Federer's decline was not as serious as most people think.Those losses against Nole in 2014-2016 can't be only explained by the age related decline and I thruly believe there were other 2 more important factors :
1.Federer's lack of confidence
2.Djokovic's ridiculous level of play
Although not being at his physical peak, Federer could have beaten even that Djokovic, at least in 1 or 2 of those encounters in 2014-2016 had he been more confident in his shots.

 

[True Fanerer]

But still the loss is unexplainable..
Birdman of all people having fed's number in those 4 years of 2010-13 is one of the biggest mysteries of tennis
Also the WTF final loss to nole is frustrating... Fed was a break up in 1st and playing extremely aggressive up until losing break

Berdych was as formidable as anyone when he was on. He could hit Federer off the court. Berdych just never played big points well in his career. During that time he was quite aware that his game frustrated Federer. I think it allowed him to play a little more loosely. Big serve + FH and confidence.

 

[Red Rick]

Me when seeing the title of the thread

Fed lost the final, so ofcourse people would switch. It's one of those questions that don't matter to start with and because they're asked with a loophole you don't even learn anything from the answer.

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

Berdych was as formidable as anyone when he was on. He could hit Federer off the court. Berdych just never played big points well in his career. During that time he was quite aware that his game frustrated Federer. I think it allowed him to play a little more loosely. Big serve + FH and confidence.

Fed being a bit stubborn also played a part imho, especially for the losses against delpo, nadal and berdych

 

[underground]

Disagree. It's all about the narrative. Djokovic wins RG 2011, he'll have "beaten prime Rafa in the finals of RG" on his resume as well as the longest winning streak. That's huge for his legacy.

Just look at this AO. The general public will remember it for Nadal getting drubbing from Novak whereas Fed "only lost" to an up and coming next gen, yet Fed has definitely worse results than Djokodal this slam.

 

[Noleberic123]

But one might say the only reason Nadal was the best player of 2008 was because Federer was way weaker.

In 2008, Fed was losing to everybody. In 2009 it was only the Big 4 + Delpo.

Maybe but Federer was always going to start losing to Nadal eventually on grass and HC.

 

[Djokovic2011]

I think the Fish WO didn't do him any favors. He didn't have any rhythm the first two sets.

I agree that walkovers can mess up a player's rhythm but I can't help wondering if you'd be so quick to believe it was a factor if the discussion suddenly turned to why Djokovic lost to Federer at the French in 2011 True Fan.

 

[True Fanerer]

I agree that walkovers can mess up a player's rhythm but I can't help wondering if you'd be so quick to believe it was a factor if the discussion suddenly turned to why Djokovic lost to Federer at the French in 2011 True Fan.

My thoughts:

- Djokovic was up a break in the 1st
- Won the 3rd set
- Served for the 4th set

Plenty of opportunities. Federer was playing a high level too. I know the Berdych match followed a similar pattern sort of and that's why you made this post

 

[UnforcedTerror]

No.

Losing to Bull at USO is much worse than losing to him at RG.

I would swap the results of RG11 & AO16 semis if possible though!

 

[MeatTornado]

2011 USO SF is probably the worst choke of Fed's career and changed the rivalry on hard courts between him and Novak.After that, I think Federer never thruly believe that he can beat Djokovic again in a HC slam.Second year in a row losing to the same man after having match points, that takes a toll mentally.I don't know if I would like to swap the results, but that USO SF probably changed tennis history

I'd argue 2010 is what changed the rivalry, and that's why he lost in 2011, not that 2011 was the turning point.

Snapping he's 3 in a row steak in that fashion with double match points is when everything changed.

 

[helterskelter]

But if Nadal beat Novak in Paris, Federer beating him in NY would be less special, and therefore not worth it to me.

The Paris SF was such a big moment because Novak was on a 41 match winning streak. The only thing that would be bigger than that is if Roger stopped him from winning the Calendar Slam, which could only happen if Novak beat Nadal in Paris. So there is a difference to me.

Okay, fair enough. But it is surely a smaller difference than that between Nadal winning one more Slam and Nadal not winning one more Slam. Had the two semis changed but Nadal still beat Djokovic in Paris and Nadal also beat Federer in New York, and had nothing else changed in tennis history, Nadal would be one step closer to Federer today.

Incidentally, which would you think more likely for Nadal to win? At the time, I think most would have said that Nadal's chances against Federer in a US Open final were higher than his chances against Djokovic in a Roland Garros final. But I think that's paying too much attention to short-term form and to head-to-head. In retrospect, I think Nadal's chances against Djokovic would have been higher than his chances against Federer. I'd have made Nadal 60/40 favorite for the RG final 2011 and Federer 60/40 favorite for the USO final 2011. Or thereabouts. Perhaps 55/45 in one or both cases.