Federer-Djokovic - World Tour Finals - RR - 2013

[The_Order]

Fed's always a clutch in red .. I'm thinking his ****ed up outfits this season have done their share to his subpar performance ..

NIKE failed him big time :evil:

thanks for the reminder .. Those were the days !

Fed wore red in the RG11 final...

 

[mike danny]

Ok then. Fed played very well in WIM08, AO09, RG11, AO12 and Cinci13. All those wins shouldn't be disregarded but they have been by numerous "fed fans" and no I'm not talking about trolls like TMF, but Mandy and abmk spring to mind...

The mono excuse for 08 is a joke. The age card being thrown out for AO09 is even worse lol.

By W 2008 he did not have mono anymore

The age excuse in 2009 is rubbish

In 2012 he was still playing well

But by 2013 sorry as objective as i would like to be he played like crap.

But the wins mentioned above do count.

Fed's best was between 2003-2012. FACT

 

[RF20Lennon]

Fed wore red in the RG11 final...

Oh you evil man! Taking away what little comfort we have in terms of the color of his clothing. :evil:

 

[HoyaPride]

Yes but regardless of his condition Agassi was still able to 'at times' preform at a very high level. Is that not so?

Just like Federer is still able to perform at a very high level. Is this not so? I mean, he's in the WTF, right? In fact, Federer will likely end up finishing the year being ranked where Agassi was at the end of 2005 (No. 7).

Did you see Agassi's match with Blake at the USO?

Did you see Federer's match against Delpo two weeks ago?

I don't think because Federer beat Agassi 8 straight times he would do so against Agassi of 1995 (only 1997-1998 ), but I do consider older Agassi a tough opponent because he was playing well still.

You must not be very old. Not old enough to witness the rise, shine and decline of a few generations of athletes, musicians, models, etc. anyway.

What every generation has in common is that they think they are different from every other generation and will never get old (and consequently replaced). Then a new generation comes along and they also believe they will never be old and are anxious to declare the time of the older generation to be "over." And this breeds resentment among the older generation. And the cycle repeats itself.

Fed is now being pushed out, the new generation is saying the game has passed him by, and Fed fans don't like it one bit. But such is life. Hingis said about Graf: "She's done some things. But she's old now. Her time is over."
Look at Hingis now.

 

[spinovic]

Federer is playing as good or better than he did at any point in the year after Australia. Not sure why everyone is shoveling dirt on him because he lost to Djokovic, the tournament favorite, in three sets. He lost to a better player. When the groups came out, it seemed likely that the Delpo/Fed matchup would determine the second guy from that group. It is also quite possible that Delpo could beat Djokovic, in which case winning that set could be critical in the event a 3-way tie occurs.

In any case, I'm just glad that Federer has been delivering good performances on a consistent basis. He was very up-and-down most of the year. It seems like he is getting some confidence back. Now the key is getting that belief back in the big moments against the top players. Still, beating Nadal, Djokovic or Murray (assuming he recovers completely) at this point will be the exception, not the rule for Federer.

 

[mike danny]

Federer is playing as good or better than he did at any point in the year after Australia. Not sure why everyone is shoveling dirt on him because he lost to Djokovic, the tournament favorite, in three sets. He lost to a better player. When the groups came out, it seemed likely that the Delpo/Fed matchup would determine the second guy from that group. It is also quite possible that Delpo could beat Djokovic, in which case winning that set could be critical in the event a 3-way tie occurs.

In any case, I'm just glad that Federer has been delivering good performances on a consistent basis. He was very up-and-down most of the year. It seems like he is getting some confidence back. Now the key is getting that belief back in the big moments against the top players. Still, beating Nadal, Djokovic or Murray (assuming he recovers completely) at this point will be the exception, not the rule for Federer.

Did you see federer play? Djoko was not playing his best but federer was even worse. quite a pathetic performance for him overall.

Forget about weak and strong comp. i miss this federer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V32EIEcGjs

 

[10is]

I do consider older Agassi a tough opponent because he was playing well still.

Agassi had "significantly" lower mileage even at 35 than Federer currently has at 32, which is THE most important factor in considering performance potential -- not age. Federer is currently "only" 10 matches behind Agassi's career total (1134 vs 1144) when he retired at 36 years of age.

 

[NatF]

Just like Federer is still able to perform at a very high level. Is this not so? I mean, he's in the WTF, right? In fact, Federer will likely end up finishing the year being ranked where Agassi was at the end of 2005 (No. 7).

He's mainly at the WTF because Murray and Tsonga have been injured.

Did you see Federer's match against Delpo two weeks ago?

Nope missed it, but best out of 5 is obviously more important.

You must not be very old. Not old enough to witness the rise, shine and decline of a few generations of athletes, musicians, models, etc. anyway.

So Agassi wasn't still a tough opponent? Riiiiight. Your point is pretty irrelevent, who gives a **** about models and musicians we're talking about tennis.

Ok then. Fed played very well in WIM08, AO09, RG11, AO12 and Cinci13. All those wins shouldn't be disregarded but they have been by numerous "fed fans" and no I'm not talking about trolls like TMF, but Mandy and abmk spring to mind...

The mono excuse for 08 is a joke. The age card being thrown out for AO09 is even worse lol.

Mono affected Federer's level all year in 2008 IMO. He had terrible losses throughout, but I don't think that's why Nadal beat him at Wimbledon. Federer played very well. Same with the AO 09. I think most of those losses are mental more than physical. I don't think there's a cut off point for when matches don't count. I can say I think the h2h would be different if Federer met Nadal more on fast hardcourts when he was in his prime or if Roger and Rafa were the same age. That doesn't mean I don't count Nadal's wins.

 

[Who Am I?]

How is the Hoya Pride clown anyway? Does he seriously think Federer this year is playing better than Agassi in 2005. Lol, Agassi of that year would beat current Roger 7 times out of 10.

 

[mike danny]

How is the Hoya Pride clown anyway? Does he seriously think Federer this year is playing better than Agassi in 2005. Lol, Agassi of that year would beat current Roger 7 times out of 10.

Sadly it is partly true. Roger is barely hitting the ball while Agassi was ripping it

 

[Homeboy Hotel]

I look forward to the day I tell my grandchildren that I saw this performance live from the front rows.

Pictures and videos soon!

 

[moonballs]

All we said is that if wins over non-prime Fed don't count, then Fed's wins over non-prime Agassi or Sampras shouldn't count. People try to argue that Fed's wins against them should count because they were in better shape/form then than he is now, but that's a rather dubious claim. In 2005, Agassi was a shell of his former self and looked ridiculous with that shiny bald head, the ankle socks and the short shorts. In 2001, Sampras failed to win a title the whole entire season. How could you honestly say those players were in good form when Federer played them?

The funny thing is is that some teenager today probably thinks that Djokovic pwns Fed the same way Fed's fans think he pwned Agassi.

Agreed. That's why the only thing that counts is the wins over the entire field, slam titles, Wtf, and masters.

 

[merwy]

Just saw this and LOL'ed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVfhJO2_tO0

What he was and what he is now!

Funny indeed. It looks like the same Fed, but the one with the red shirt just moves a little bit faster and has a higher W/UE ratio.

EDIT: And the courts have been made a lot slower. Strange, they were just fine in 2010. No complaints, no servefests, long rallies. Why the hell did they decide to make it even slower than that? Now it's just annoying to watch. What are those guys thinking? It doesn't make any sense.

 

[Omega_7000]

Funny indeed. It looks like the same Fed, but the one with the red shirt just moves a little bit faster and has a higher W/UE ratio.

EDIT: And the courts have been made a lot slower. Strange, they were just fine in 2010. No complaints, no servefests, long rallies. Why the hell did they decide to make it even slower than that? Now it's just annoying to watch. What are those guys thinking? It doesn't make any sense.

Nadal: Playing the Masters Cup every year on indoor hard is not fair

''is something that is I feel that I am very unlucky, that all the Masters Cup that I played was in indoor hard. Is a tougher surface for me to play well. Is not the day to say, but is something that I feel that is not fair.

http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/interviews/2013-09-09/201309101378782609450.html

 

[Sid_Vicious]

Funny indeed. It looks like the same Fed, but the one with the red shirt just moves a little bit faster and has a higher W/UE ratio.

EDIT: And the courts have been made a lot slower. Strange, they were just fine in 2010. No complaints, no servefests, long rallies. Why the hell did they decide to make it even slower than that? Now it's just annoying to watch. What are those guys thinking? It doesn't make any sense.

The courts were no faster in 2010. Nadal and Murray had an epic slugfest in the SFs that year.

 

[merwy]

Did you see federer play? Djoko was not playing his best but federer was even worse. quite a pathetic performance for him overall.

Forget about weak and strong comp. i miss this federer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V32EIEcGjs

that court speed
that youthfulness

seriously, this shows nothing can replace youth. Federer 2012 was very good and all, and he can win all the titles he wants to but it won't ever be 2003-2006 athletic, catlike Federer.

 

[merwy]

The courts were no faster in 2010. Nadal and Murray had an epic slugfest in the SFs that year.

I don't know man, it sure looks faster in 2010. I'm not saying that based on the type of matches that they played but purely based on what I see and how much time the players seem to get after the bounce. You're right about the courts already being slow though, I can't remember not thinking that the WTF courts were slow. Always has been that way.

 

[Chico]

A good win for tired Novak. Both players were not at their best obviously.
Something needs to be done about this Nadal-biased scheduling. It is becoming ridiculous.

 

[helterskelter]

I don't know man, it sure looks faster in 2010. I'm not saying that based on the type of matches that they played but purely based on what I see and how much time the players seem to get after the bounce. You're right about the courts already being slow though, I can't remember not thinking that the WTF courts were slow. Always has been that way.

Find the YouTube video of the 1996 final. Watch that.

(IIRC, only two breaks in the whole match, one in the second game, and the other in the 9th game of the 5th set).

 

[tipsa...don'tlikehim!]

This thread is the reason I start using the ignore function.

What do you mean ? I thought everyone stayed polite


Hello everyone,

Went to sleep after the 2nd tie break, reading the thread, looks like i didn't miss much. :twisted:

 

[tipsa...don'tlikehim!]

Just saw this and LOL'ed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVfhJO2_tO0

What he was and what he is now!

and most Fed fans will claim Federer 2010 was past his prime

 

[Say Chi Sin Lo]

Just watched the match on replay. Holy crap, it was like watching a M. Night Shyamalan movie.

Quite possibly the one of the ugliest match of the year.

 

[tipsa...don'tlikehim!]

Just watched the match on replay. Holy crap, it was like watching a M. Night Shyamalan movie.

Quite possibly the one of the ugliest match of the year.

Do you have the full match on YouT maybe ? I failed to find it, i want to watch the last set.


By the way, i heard the handshake was icy again, what a surprise

 

[Povl Carstensen]

No it was ok, they don't have to be buddies.

 

[Say Chi Sin Lo]

Do you have the full match on YouT maybe ? I failed to find it, i want to watch the last set.


By the way, i heard the handshake was icy again, what a surprise

I watched the replay on ESPN3. But I'm telling you, don't. It was really ugly.

That 2nd set was local park bad.

 

[TheTruth]

Just watched it. Federer didn't play bad, but Novak did up his level in the 3rd. With the way Fed played he would have beaten a lot of players. The only thing I noticed is that Federer didn't look that composed.

But, at 32, you have to give Federer props. He played well. I don't know why people are dissing him. He was very competitive.

 

[merwy]

Just watched it. Federer didn't play bad, but Novak did up his level in the 3rd. With the way Fed played he would have beaten a lot of players. The only thing I noticed is that Federer didn't look that composed.

But, at 32, you have to give Federer props. He played well. I don't know why people are dissing him. He was very competitive.

You're exaggerating. The last set was 6-2 and he managed to sneak out a set in a tiebreak, that's not that competitive. Also, Djokovic played reeaally bad and Federer couldn't use it to his advantage.

 

[tipsa...don'tlikehim!]

I watched the replay on ESPN3. But I'm telling you, don't. It was really ugly.

That 2nd set was local park bad.

Allright, thanx!

 

[Wim]

A good win for tired Novak. Both players were not at their best obviously.
Something needs to be done about this Nadal-biased scheduling. It is becoming ridiculous.

Nadal likes playing evening matches.

 

[Terry Tibbs]

Federer please retire now!

 

[marc45]

Did anyone see the on court interview with Djokovic and Leif Shiras afterward, and Novak's demeanor?...maybe Novak was just a little worn out, he certainly looked it at times as the match went on, but he looked pi**ed to me...no doubt all the crowd support Fed was getting was bothering him...this is an ongoing issue for the other players and clearly Novak and his fans, quite defensive a lot of the time, don't like it...I understand it to an extent, the whole Serbia thing too, and I bet Fed's remarks before the match about how the matches are still on his racket probably didn't help...Novak wouldn't give any sense of joy to Leif and the crowd there, and he did blow off Sky Sports after for an extra interview...having said that, the old Novak, the one that called Roddick out after that U.S. Open win, probably would have stuck it to the crowd with a "Well, I guess I took the racket out of Roger's hands, huh?" Novak really has to be careful about this, he's walking a very fine line here by wanting to be liked but consistently showing disappointment, or worse, with the crowd...interestingly, Nadal never seems to give a darn about the crowd supporting Fed more although Nadal does seem to get more support against Fed than Novak...just my thoughts, maybe I'm reading something into this that's not there but that's what I picked up on last night

 

[Chico]

Did anyone see the on court interview with Djokovic and Leif Shiras afterward, and Novak's demeanor?...maybe Novak was just a little worn out, he certainly looked it at times as the match went on, but he looked pi**ed to me...no doubt all the crowd support Fed was getting was bothering him...this is an ongoing issue for the other players and clearly Novak and his fans, quite defensive a lot of the time, don't like it...I understand it to an extent, the whole Serbia thing too, and I bet Fed's remarks before the match about how the matches are still on his racket probably didn't help...Novak wouldn't give any sense of joy to Leif and the crowd here, and he did blow off Sky Sports after for an extra interview...having said that, the old Novak, the one that called Roddick out after that U.S. Open win, probably would have stuck it to the crowd with a "Well, I guess I took the racket out of Roger's hands, huh?" Novak really has to be careful about this, he's walking a very fine line here by wanting to be liked but consistently showing disappointment, or worse, with the crowd...interestingly, Nadal never seems to give a darn about the crowd supporting Fed more although Nadal does seem to get more support against Fed than Novak...just my thoughts, maybe I'm reading something into this that's not there but that's what I picked up last night

Sorry, but you are completely wrong. Novak was quite p***ed and angry indeed but for a completely different reasons.
Read his post match press conference.

 

[Povl Carstensen]

You're exaggerating. The last set was 6-2 and he managed to sneak out a set in a tiebreak, that's not that competitive. Also, Djokovic played reeaally bad and Federer couldn't use it to his advantage.

A 3-setter with also the only breakpoint of the first set, it is competitive.

 

[marc45]

excellent analysis on Fed's troubles by the excellent Craig O'Shannessy...bittersweet symphony of forehand

http://www.barclaysatpworldtourfina...r-barclays-atp-world-tour-finals-tuesday-2013

 

[Chico]

excellent analysis on Fed's troubles by the excellent Craig O'Shannessy...bittersweet symphony of forehand

http://www.barclaysatpworldtourfina...r-barclays-atp-world-tour-finals-tuesday-2013

Quite disrespectful towards Novak. Took all credits for the wins from him

 

[Overdrive]

Wow, over 1180 posts...

 

[tipsa...don'tlikehim!]

Did anyone see the on court interview with Djokovic and Leif Shiras afterward, and Novak's demeanor?...maybe Novak was just a little worn out, he certainly looked it at times as the match went on, but he looked pi**ed to me...no doubt all the crowd support Fed was getting was bothering him...this is an ongoing issue for the other players and clearly Novak and his fans, quite defensive a lot of the time, don't like it...I understand it to an extent, the whole Serbia thing too, and I bet Fed's remarks before the match about how the matches are still on his racket probably didn't help...Novak wouldn't give any sense of joy to Leif and the crowd here, and he did blow off Sky Sports after for an extra interview...having said that, the old Novak, the one that called Roddick out after that U.S. Open win, probably would have stuck it to the crowd with a "Well, I guess I took the racket out of Roger's hands, huh?" Novak really has to be careful about this, he's walking a very fine line here by wanting to be liked but consistently showing disappointment, or worse, with the crowd...interestingly, Nadal never seems to give a darn about the crowd supporting Fed more although Nadal does seem to get more support against Fed than Novak...just my thoughts, maybe I'm reading something into this that's not there but that's what I picked up last night

That's sad really.... Djokovic doesn't deserve all this hate, i mean what did he do wrong ? i believe he behaves very well on the court, with the fans....

If i was him, i would not try to be liked anymore, i would just don't give a crap and just be mylsef.

 

[mistik]

Enough ıs enough with Novak the victim stuff. People loves Fed and Rafa more than him. So what is new ??He and his family also act wrongly many times.

 

[Chico]

Enough ıs enough with Novak the victim stuff. People loves Fed and Rafa more than him. So what is new ??He and his family also act wrongly many times.

Enough with these wrong assumptions about Novak.

Novak was angry yesterday because of unjust decision to keep Troicki's suspension, he could not care less about the crowd yesterday.
He explained it all on his post match press conference.

All you people should read more and assume less.

 

[GASMAN664]

Yeah the pro Federer thing is completely ridiculous. The TC broadcast was borderline unwatchable....it was so pro Federer it was nauseating. I know its Federer but come one they should maintain some semblance of neutrality.

Chico, is there a link or website for the Dokovic interview you're talking about?

 

[Chico]

Yeah the pro Federer thing is completely ridiculous. The TC broadcast was borderline unwatchable....it was so pro Federer it was nauseating. I know its Federer but come one they should maintain some semblance of neutrality.

Chico, is there a link or website for the Dokovic interview you're talking about?

There is a thread on the pro player section about it:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=482112

 

[Gonzo_style]

They could play on the moon it doesn't matter. Fed is not losing to the Djoker today.

Well, I don't know about the Moon, but on the Earth Djokovic beat Federer two times in four days...

 

[Djokodal Fan]

and most Fed fans will claim Federer 2010 was past his prime

Sorry mate you are wrong.

He has been growing old since 2008. Please correct your sentence!

 

[Gonzo_style]

Sorry mate you are wrong.

He has been growing old since 2008. Please correct your sentence!

It's something like this:

TMC 2007 - primepeakredhotsexirogermasterclass

AO 2008 - pasthisprimemonoback31yearoldfederer

 

[HoyaPride]

Agreed. That's why the only thing that counts is the wins over the entire field, slam titles, Wtf, and masters.

Or we can just agree that it all counts. That includes H2H records, too. I mean, sportswriters and critics are always going to discuss Fed's HSH against Nadal, so there's no point in saying "the only thing that counts..." 30 years from now, historians are still going to be talking about the H2H so get over it already.

 

[HoyaPride]

Yeah the pro Federer thing is completely ridiculous. The TC broadcast was borderline unwatchable....it was so pro Federer it was nauseating. I know its Federer but come one they should maintain some semblance of neutrality.

Did anybody go to the USO this year? You would have had no idea that Murray was the defending champion.

Federer was in every highlight reel shown on the big screen on Ashe.

Federer was on every billboard, advertisement, etc.

Federer shirts outnumbered Nadal shirts in the Nike store and in the stands by a ratio of 14:1.

I imagine it would get annoying as a player. Can anyone else get some love? The fact Robredo was able to take down Fed in straights is all the more impressive because half of the crowd was probably hoping that he tore an ACL during the match.

 

[merwy]

It's something like this:

TMC 2007 - primepeakredhotsexirogermasterclass

AO 2008 - pasthisprimemonoback31yearoldfederer

Haha that made me laugh. 2008-2010 is a bit of gray area I think

 

[TheTruth]

That's sad really.... Djokovic doesn't deserve all this hate, i mean what did he do wrong ? i believe he behaves very well on the court, with the fans....

If i was him, i would not try to be liked anymore, i would just don't give a crap and just be mylsef.

I agree. He doesn't need to try to be liked by everyone. If he would just be himself people would likely gravitate towards him.

But he does get pouty if his opponent gets more support than he does.

Still, no player is worthy of hatred.

You have to be a pretty miserable person to go down that route.

 

[maxrenn]

A good win for tired Novak. Both players were not at their best obviously.
Something needs to be done about this Nadal-biased scheduling. It is becoming ridiculous.

You should write a terrifically reasoned and unbiased letter to the ATP, they are sure to listen and not think you are a complete nut job at all.

 

[Sentinel]

Did anybody go to the USO this year? You would have had no idea that Murray was the defending champion.

Federer was in every highlight reel shown on the big screen on Ashe.

Federer was on every billboard, advertisement, etc.

Federer shirts outnumbered Nadal shirts in the Nike store and in the stands by a ratio of 14:1.

I imagine it would get annoying as a player. Can anyone else get some love? The fact Robredo was able to take down Fed in straights is all the more impressive because half of the crowd was probably hoping that he tore an ACL during the match.

I imagine that the fact that Fred is Nike sponsored and Murray isn't might be the cause of some of that. Fred has won quite a few of those USO trophies and is hugely popular there, much more (i tink) than Murray or even Nadal.