Has your mind changed about the Novak DQ?

[Raul_SJ]

But your comments on this are off the wall and unrealistic. I thought Djoker should not have been DQ, but the reasons you give are outrageous and unbelievable.

Not sure exactly why you are defending the actions of Djoker, but I also know you don't believe what you are saying. You are being bias for some unknown reason.

Not even our favorite Bart is immune to conspiratorial theories.
It is quite amusing to observe... But he could be right.

 

[duaneeo]

A fair decision, and a needed shot-in-the-arm for mens tennis.

 

[MichaelNadal]

A fair decision, and a needed shot-in-the-arm for mens tennis.

It sure was

 

[Djoker11]

I'm so so on the incident now tbh. I get why they disquamified him, but the usta shot themselves in the foot when bedene wasn't disqualified while Novak was even though the usta stated intent doesn't matter so accident or not you can't have one person hit someone with a ball a week before and not get kicked out then a week later kick someone out for an accident as well. Again they stated intent doesnt matter if you hit someone outside of play then rules come into play.

I'm also in the minority who thinks the line judge went ott but I won't get into that much. Overall I see why they did it but got to be consistent.

 

[canta_Brian]

How many points earlier did he smash a ball into the side hoardings?

How many points earlier was the dubious MTO?

Novak doesn’t play nicely when things don’t go his way.

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

I found that at first I thought the DQ was fair, but thinking about it, I now think it was unfair. Novak doesn't put himself in the best position to avoid DQs as he is pretty angry on the court, but even if he could've been DQ'd in the past had tennis balls hit in anger hit people, they didn't. And the tennis ball that did hit someone was hit at a very low velocity. The rules state you can't hit the ball violently, dangerously, or angrily. It definitely wasn't a violent or angry action. The only possible thing you can call it is dangerous. And there is the debate, dangerous or just unfortunate? I would say it could possibly be deemed dangerous, but I think many other players on the tour do what Djokovic did? Why haven't people in the past been warned about flicking the tennis ball with the racket to the backstop? The ATP (or ITF?) failed to warn players about this action in the past, and then just DQ them when an unfortunate incident occurs by said action? The truth is, it's most likely the tennis organization higher ups didn't even themselves realize this was a possibly dangerous action.

I think it was unfair but didn't analyse it first. Now I confidently say that the lady definately overreacted on an extremely high scale for sure. Also, I firmly say this after having watched the footages multiple times ever since the incident, that the ball hit was not enough powerful to even create a pain such that a person will fall down.
(For everyone coming at me for attack, please analyse first with a neutral mindset, it's not like I'm a djokovic fan either, so.....)

 

[Born_to_slice]

Having worked at an official ATP tournament, I can tell you the balls they use is heavy af.

Tennis ball must have mass in the range 56.0–59.4 g. Where on that scale is "heavy AF"?

 

[Tennis_Hands]

How many points earlier did he smash a ball into the side hoardings?

How many points earlier was the dubious MTO?

Novak doesn’t play nicely when things don’t go his way.

To think that the things are actually going his way all year, and then that happens ...

One would think that an undefeated for the year player will have a bit more self-awareness when facing adversity (both in tennis terms and when the situation happened).

 

[tennis_pro]

Djokovic was so lucky it wasn't any worse. Imagine if he had hit it with the velocity of the previous ball he hit to the side.

How is he lucky if he controls how hard he hits the ball?

 

[Gazelle]

Let's remember as well that the two events were mostly played without lines people and this match should have been played without them as well but for sponsors.

The organisers are to blame for this, and an association would have undoubtedly lobbied for consistency over sponsorship.

Hitting a woman with a ball. Hey, that's ok!

But dare to call her sexy, and it's a crime.

 

[PrinceMoron]

He got a bye bye in the USO and a bye the following week

Good or bad, you get what you deserve


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[Born_to_slice]

Hitting a woman with a ball. Hey, that's ok!

But dare to call her sexy, and it's a crime.

Let's not get carried away now. Djokovic got DQ, not Becker.

But how about this? Hit gentle male cameraman, no biggie, get point penalty. Hit lineswoman that frequently gets hit with 130 mph serves to the face, get defaulted. Some equality, smh.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Let's not get carried away now. Djokovic got DQ, not Becker.

But how about this? Hit gentle male cameraman, no biggie, get point penalty. Hit lineswoman that frequently gets hit with 130 mph serves to the face, get defaulted. Some equality, smh.

Apart from not making a difference between a match situation and an incident without play, do you have proof for that claim of yours?

Not that I don't believe you ...

 

[TheNachoMan]

Djoker was robbed of #18

 

[speedysteve]

NO!

DQ too good for him [emoji23]
Punishments were harsher back in the day!
Lucky, lucky...

 

[Born_to_slice]

Apart from not making a difference between a match situation and an incident without play, do you have proof for that claim of yours?

Not that I don't believe you ...

Clark revealed to Owensboro Living magazine in 2014 that she had once had her lip busted by a 130mph serve at a tournament in Louisville.

Laura Clark was line judge hit by Novak Djokovic's tennis ball at the US Open

THE lineswoman that tennis star Novak Djokovic accidentally hit in the throat with a ball has been identified as Laura Clark. The Kentucky native was struck by the ball in frustration after Djokovi…

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Clark revealed to Owensboro Living magazine in 2014 that she had once had her lip busted by a 130mph serve at a tournament in Louisville.

Laura Clark was line judge hit by Novak Djokovic's tennis ball at the US Open

THE lineswoman that tennis star Novak Djokovic accidentally hit in the throat with a ball has been identified as Laura Clark. The Kentucky native was struck by the ball in frustration after Djokovi…

www.thesun.co.uk

Regularly? One instance?

BTW, do you have any other source than "THE SUN"?

 

[Born_to_slice]

Regularly? One instance?

BTW, do you have any other source than "THE SUN"?

There's a link to original article in my comment, you lazy git.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

There's a link to original article in my comment, you lazy git.

It says that it was when she was "new" even before she was aware how to avoid such balls.

Anything else?

 

[Born_to_slice]

It says that it was when she was "new" even before she was aware how to avoid such balls.

Anything else?

You asked for source. You got it. I don't have any intentions of getting into never-ending argument with a...

 

[Tennis_Hands]

You asked for source. You got it. I don't have any intentions of getting into never-ending argument with a...

So, let me see if I understood you correctly:

1) you compared situation that was during play with situation that was not while the player was playing for a point
2) you implicated multiple instances, but has provided one, when the said lineswoman didn't even know how to avoid such balls
3) you "don't intend to get into a never ending argument"

FYI, you wouldn't have a chance for #3, since you lost it long before that.Also, resorting to name calling to make a point is the weakest response of them all, and you did that too.

 

[thrust]

Yes
They should have given him a ban on the tour as well

LOL!

 

[thrust]

Either you are a Djoker fan or you have immense reason to root for PTPA success. I never though of you as a Djoker fan until the PTPA came to light.

But your comments on this are off the wall and unrealistic. I thought Djoker should not have been DQ, but the reasons you give are outrageous and unbelievable.

Not sure exactly why you are defending the actions of Djoker, but I also know you don't believe what you are saying. You are being bias for some unknown reason.

As a Novak fan, I do not approve what he did but do not think he should have been defaulted. A game or two penalty and loss of prize money would have been punishment enough.

 

[Sysyphus]

right there in the moment I felt that a DQ would be overly harsh as it just seemed so unlucky more than anything.

but after considering it and looking the precedent of how this rule is enforced, I became pretty convinced that the right call was made. As far as I can see, if you recklessly do an act that accidentally (visibly) hurts an official in this way, it's pretty much always a straight DQ. Can't suddenly make exceptions for the #1, and allowing someone to chuck a ball in someone's neck triangle and get away with it would leave a lot of questions about how big the gray area is for how much you're allowed to hurt an official/spectator.

 

[Born_to_slice]

So, let me see if I understood you correctly:

1) you compared situation that was during play with situation that was not while the player was playing for a point
2) you implicated multiple instances, but has provided one, when the said lineswoman didn't even know how to avoid such balls
3) you "don't intend to get into a never ending argument"

FYI, you wouldn't have a chance for #3, since you lost it long before that.Also, resorting to name calling to make a point is the weakest response of them all, and you did that too.

1. I compared cameraman who got hit out of play in my original comment.

2. I'm sure every time this person gets hit by a ball magazines go crazy and want interviews...

3. Calling you a demagogue is name calling? Scratch that, calling anyone a demagogue is name calling?

 

[Tennis_Hands]

1. I compared cameraman who got hit out of play in my original comment.

2. I'm sure every time this person gets hit by a ball magazines go crazy and want interviews...

3. Calling you a demagogue is name calling? Scratch that, calling anyone a demagogue is name calling?

So, you have nothing to back your "regularly" claims, and yet you made them? Hmmm, weren't you aware about the point that the magazines don't go crazy about "this person" being hit, so that you can avoid empty claims? Did you yourself read what you post, and did you "accidentally" omitted the point of that "hit" being before she even learned how to avoid such balls? These two things together make your point rather useless (not that you had a point, mind you).

As for the name calling, I referred to the "lazy git" comment.

 

[Hitman]

No. It was the right decision. I knew it was over the moment he hit her with the ball.

 

[PrinceMoron]

USO are Introducing new line judges’ uniforms to increase mobility and reduce chances of getting hit

 

[Born_to_slice]

So, you have nothing to back your "regularly" claims, and yet you made them? Hmmm, weren't you aware about the point that the magazines don't go crazy about "this person" being hit, so that you can avoid empty claims? Did you yourself read what you post, and did you "accidentally" omitted the point of that "hit" being before she even learned how to avoid such balls? These two things together make your point rather useless (not that you had a point, mind you).

As for the name calling, I referred to the "lazy git" comment.

It's so like you to latch onto single word. Of course no line judge gets frequently hit in the face. It's an rare occasion and I don't know if Laura got hit once or 5 times in her career. But there are videos of linespeople getting hit in the head and I don't remember any one of them falling. On gal even called the shot out, half a second after she got hit in the eye with a 130 mph serve. Only one that fell, was one out of play...

 

[Tennis_Hands]

It's so like you to latch onto single word. Of course no line judge gets frequently hit in the face. It's an rare occasion and I don't know if Laura got hit once or 5 times in her career. But there are videos of linespeople getting hit in the head and I don't remember any one of them falling. On gal even called the shot out, half a second after she got hit in the eye with a 130 mph serve. Only one that fell, was one out of play...

That is because you didn't try my experiment. I can see why: so that you can go on about it unendlessly without being called a hypocrite for ignoring the pain that woman was in for a brief period of time.

 

[Born_to_slice]

That is because you didn't try my experiment. I can see why: so that you can go on about it unendlessly without being called a hypocrite for ignoring the pain that woman was in for a brief period of time.

You show me a video that confirms where she was hit, then we'll talk about experiments. Since it took 1 minute to recover it must've been such pain. I'm so scared of going through that.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

You show me a video that confirms where she was hit, then we'll talk about experiments. Since it took 1 minute to recover it must've been such pain. I'm so scared of going through that.

There is only so much video footage, and from the one we have available I already described to you whatever was of interest to you.

Since you are not "scared" why don't you simply try it? I don't understand what is the problem? You will so easily deal with my statements if you are armed with the knowledge how it feels.

 

[Hood_Man]

Every tennis player gets angry at some point, not every tennis player directs their anger at ground level where they might hurt others.

It's a habit of his and it's finally caught up with him, that really is it.

 

[Born_to_slice]

There is only so much video footage, and from the one we have available I already described to you whatever was of interest to you.

Stop BS-ing me and show me a video which clearly shows ball hitting her in the throat.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Stop BS-ing me and show me a video which clearly shows ball hitting her in the throat.

There is so much video showing the incident, so you must know that insisting on more is the only way of you to get out of this situation without making the said experiment.

I wonder why that is, since it is such an "innocent" event according to you?

 

[Steve0904]

I have watched the hit in real-time and it was not a slow ball to the throat.

This needs to keep being repeated because for some reason some people still think it was low velocity. Probably because it wasn't a Shapo-esque Hulk smash type of whack.

But it was a lot harder hit than these people realize. And then these same people have the nerve to show us slo-mo replays. LOL. A slo-mo replay is F'n garbage.

 

[ABCD]

This needs to keep being repeated because for some reason some people still think it was low velocity. Probably because it wasn't a Shapo-esque Hulk smash type of whack.

But it was a lot harder hit than these people realize. And then these same people have the nerve to show us slo-mo replays. LOL. A slo-mo replay is F'n garbage.

It was estimated to be 45 miles/hr.

 

[Deleted member 748597]

Novak fecked up. That is all.

He deserved the DQ. But he doesn't deserve the hate for this.

 

[FRV3]

It was estimate to be 45 miles/hr.

That actually seems kind of fast seeing as though my forehands off a drop feed are 65 mph. But then again, my serves can hit over 110 and my fastballs were probably around the 80s. I was also quite handsome back in the day.

 

[Steve0904]

How is he lucky if he controls how hard he hits the ball?

Unfortunately for him his accuracy was off a bit. Speed was decent, direction not so much. Embarrassing for a #1.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

This needs to keep being repeated because for some reason some people still think it was low velocity. Probably because it wasn't a Shapo-esque Hulk smash type of whack.

But it was a lot harder hit than these people realize. And then these same people have the nerve to show us slo-mo replays. LOL. A slo-mo replay is F'n garbage.

Of course it wasn't, but most than anything it was the combination between placement, speed and surprise that caused the overall effect.

Also, Djokovic was clearly frustrated when he did it: to the point of not anticipating where exactly he is launching the ball.

 

[Deleted member 748597]

Unfortunately for him his accuracy was off a bit. Speed was decent, direction not so much. Embarrassing for a #1.

Nah, his accuracy was fine. Novak simply likes turning blonde women into memes. I wonder who's next.

 

[Wurm]

I was watching Wimbledon when they cut to the scenes of Henman about to get disqualified. It seemed harsh considering the ball girl ran into the line of fire and got hit by the ball on the bounce, but ultimately Henman was undone by his own recklessness and was rightfully disqualified.

I watched the Nalbandian incident live and it was pretty obvious he was going to get disqualified. You can't kick a hoarding into someone and draw blood and expect to stay in the tournament.

I was watching the Novak incident live and we heard the choking noises before we saw a replay and it sounded awful. Then you saw the replay and it was so obviously a disqualification incident that the only question was if they were going to give him favourable treatment due to his status and let him get away with it.

In none of these incidents did the player target the person they hit. Novak's was the worst because of where the ball struck her.

 

[Born_to_slice]

There is so much video showing the incident, so you must know that insisting on more is the only way of you to get out of this situation without making the said experiment.

I wonder why that is, since it is such an "innocent" event according to you?

How do you make an experiment if you don't have basic premises straight? And I wouldn't try getting hit directly at the throat at that speed. It would be dangerous, unlike what actually happened.

 

[President]

I think he should have been defaulted by the letter of the law, but why is everyone saying he hit the ball in anger? He had just been broken and was flicking away the ball in his pocket like players do all the time. This time, it just happened to hit someone. Am I missing something here?

 

[Tennis_Hands]

How do you make an experiment if you don't have basic premises straight? And I wouldn't try getting hit directly at the throat at that speed. It would be dangerous, unlike what actually happened.

For that experiment you don't need any "premises", my dear. Just do it so that you know what happens.

My experiment wasn't that, so don't pretend that I suggested that you get hit in the throat by a flying tennis ball.

As for the rest, you seem to claim that you have a video showing that the ball hit her elsewhere (not in the throat). Could you show it to me?

 

[ABCD]

I think he should have been defaulted by the letter of the law, but why is everyone saying he hit the ball in anger? He had just been broken and was flicking away the ball in his pocket like players do all the time. This time, it just happened to hit someone. Am I missing something here?

You are missing that, according to rules, he should not have DQod if the event was as you described it.

 

[Tennease]

Djokovic hit the ball in the general direction of the ballkid and the rest is interpretable as an accident.

Are you kidding me? The ball kid was right in the corner, about 10 metres away from the lines judge. A pro player wouldn't miss the aim by 10 metres!

And just before he hit the lady, he saw the first ball rolling down towards the ball kid. So he knew where the ball kid was and the second ball he hit it to a completely different direction, towards the line judge:

 

[Mr.Lob]

I thought it was fair when it happened, now i think he deserves the death penalty. How come that's not an option on the poll?

A bit harsh. Gives new meaning to the term "hater".

 

[President]

You are missing that, according to rules, he should not have DQod if the event was as you described it.

I think something can be reckless without being malicious.