How can Nadal be a GOAT candidate if...

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  1. Mike Sams

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    ...he lost every match he ever played against his greatest rival Federer at every World Tour Finals meeting since 2006? They met 4 times and Nadal lost all 4, having only won 1 set.:shock:
    Doesn't a GOAT candidate have to show at least SOME skill indoors as opposed to just winning all clay all the time and having never successfully defended a non-clay title in his entire 10+ years on the tour? Furthermore, only having won 5 hardcourt Masters titles and 4 non-clay Slams? And getting blasted off the court by his main rival in every indoors meeting? :-?
    Obviously Nadal wants more clay tournaments. Why no demand for INDOOR tournaments? :lol: Oh yeah, I know why...
    A little hard on the knees mixed with the fact that he has no game to compete with Federer indoors so why bother eh? :lol:
     
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  2. TahoeTennis

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    Quite simply because Nadal leads the GOAT
    in Grand Slam finals: 4-2

    and Fed's never beat him at the French.
     
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  3. above bored

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    Nadal isn't a GOAT candidate.
     
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  4. beast of mallorca

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    Nadal made Federer cry like a baby girl.......that made him a GOAT candidate. :twisted:

    A troll thread deserves a troll post :)
     
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    Well, as we all know, Nadal can't play tennis. Here we are: the Goat (swiss cheese) is mentally challenged and has never found the solution to constantly beat an inapt tennis player in slams. In the process, he gave that inapt tennis player the opportunity to become one of the best of all time. Poor tennis fans, that idiot named Roger Federer made so much damage. He completely ruined the game.
     
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    :cry:Don't give up Mike, you'll find a job soon. Try to get more letters of recommendation from professionals and former professors etc. Strengthen your application letter and update your CV. When you go to job interviews, don't forget to take a shower beforehand, brush your teeth, get a haircut. Finally, make them want you by telling them positive aspects about yourself that set you apart from other candidates. Don't give up, your time will come!
     
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  7. beast of mallorca

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    That's a big BURN you gave there. :twisted::twisted:
     
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    Hahaha sick burn!

    P.S: Moot as Nadal isn't a GOAT candidate.
     
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    More importantly Nadal needs more years at #1. He is rivaled by Djokovic and Hewitt in that category now, and in weeks as well. And having zero WTF titles looks pretty weak no matter how long he can milk a weak clay era and rack up 70% of his slams at a single event.
     
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    Pure gold lol. I noticed you did not ask Mike Sam to work on his public speaking skills. Do you think he has that covered? Or is that phase 2 of recovery?
     
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    OP, does GOAT exist? I keep checking the ATP site and can't find the GOAT rankings anywhere.
     
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    Then Who Was Goat?
     
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  13. kiki

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    The GOAT debate was already close back in 1969.
     
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    I am sure TMF can help you out in that respect.
     
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    This thread should not exist because Nadal is not a GOAT candidate.
     
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  16. beast of mallorca

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    It's your co Fedfans who keeps on making threads about it, dude.
    Insecure much ? :-?
     
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    Oh, stoned Rafa rolled into some indoor Christmas exhibition in a wheelchair and lost a match? Ban him right away from the hall of fame, I say...:lol:
     
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    LOL insecure about what, Nadal?

    No I am perfectly fine with Nadal and what he has accomplished and if he achieves enough then I will be perfectly fine considering him as a GOAT candidate.

    As it stands now he has not achieved enough. He is at the upper end of Tier 2 status with Borg.
     
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    At OP dunno yet when is he playing his first poker match?
     
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  20. beast of mallorca

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    I completely agree with you there mate. But *******s like Mike appears to be affected much by what Nadal has done, hence all these troll threads. Do you not agree ?
     
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    The website misspelled it. Here it is.
     
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    I think mike just enjoys trolling, period.
     
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  23. Mike Sams

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    Don't worry about me, Champ. :lol: We're all free to discuss the sport we enjoy. No need to get cute.:)
     
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    My best thread yet is the "Is Nadal a transitional champion?"
    That really had the place going :lol:

    Nah, I'm just having fun. I personally rate Nadal highly. Definitely the best clay courter ever. Just haven't been happy with the homogenization of surfaces not to mention all the excuses that go around with every loss with these top players. I personally think Nadal would never bring up anything about his knees if he had beaten Rosol. Only in losses do they have excuses. Most players are playing injured, that much we know.
     
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    That was in 1969, sorry but time doesn't stand still. Like Mark Spitz, Laver is not the greatest based on the overall fans perception/opinion.

    Many experts from the tennis channel have analyze/study all the great player and have come up with this list:

    GREATEST MALE TENNIS PLAYERS

    1 Roger Federer
    2 Rod Laver
    3 Pete Sampras
    4 Rafael Nadal
    5 Bjorn Borg
    6 Don Budge
    7 Andre Agassi
    8 John McEnroe
    9 Jimmy Connors
    10 Bill Tilden
    11 Roy Emerson
    12 Ivan Lendl
    13 Ken Rosewall
    14 Boris Becker
    15 Fred Perry
    16 Stefan Edberg
    17 Arthur Ashe
    18 John Newcombe
    19 Lew Hoad
    20 Mats Wilander
    21 Jack Kramer
    22 Pancho Gonzales
    23 Rene Lacoste
    24 Novak Djokovic
    25 Guillermo Vilas
    26 Jim Courier
    27 Henri Cochet
    28 Jean Borotha
    29 Frank Sedgman
    30 Ilie Nastase
    31 Tony Trabert
    32 Jack Crawford
    33 Manuel Santana
    34 Guga Kuerten
    35 Stan Smith
    36 Neale Fraser
    37 Lleyton Hewitt
    38 Ellsworth Vines
    39 Pancho Segura
    40 Bobby Riggs
    41 Fred Stolle
    42 Patrick Rafter
    43 Gottfried Von Cramm
    44 Jaroslave Drobny
    45 Tony Roche
    46 William Renshaw
    47 Marat Safin
    48 Vic Seixas
    49 Yevgeny Kafelnikov
    50 Jan Kodes
    51 Norman Brookes
    52 Yannick Noah
    53 Tony Wilding
    54 Bill Johnston
    55 Nicola Pietrangeli
    56 Andy Roddick
    57 Thomas Muster
    58 Manuel Orantes
    59 Pat Cash
    60 Henry Austin
    61 Michael Chang[/QUOTE]
     
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    Gladly.

    Most GS titles
    1. Roger Federer 17*
    2. Pete Sampras 14
    3. Björn Borg 11
    = Rafael Nadal 11*
    5. Jimmy Connors 8
    = Ivan Lendl 8
    = Andre Agassi 8
    8. John McEnroe 7
    = Mats Wilander 7
    10. Stefan Edberg 6
    = Boris Becker 6

    GS finals
    1. Roger Federer 24*
    2. Ivan Lendl 19
    3. Pete Sampras 18
    4. Björn Borg 16
    = Rafael Nadal 16*
    6. Jimmy Connors 15
    = Andre Agassi 15
    8. John McEnroe 11
    = Mats Wilander 11
    = Stefan Edberg 11

    Consecutive GS finals
    1. Roger Federer 10
    2. Roger Federer 8

    3. Rafael Nadal 5
    4. Andre Agassi 4
    = Rod Laver 4
    = Novak Djokovic 4
    7. Jimmy Connors 3
    = Björn Borg 3
    = Björn Borg 3
    = Björn Borg 3
    = Ivan Lendl 3
    = John McEnroe 3
    = Ivan Lendl 3
    = Ivan Lendl 3
    = Mats Wilander 3
    = Jim Courier 3
    = Jim Courier 3
    = Pete Sampras 3
    = Rafael Nadal 3


    GS semi-finals
    1. Roger Federer 32*
    2. Jimmy Connors 31
    3. Ivan Lendl 28
    4. Andre Agassi 26
    5. Pete Sampras 23
    6. John McEnroe 19
    = Stefan Edberg 19
    8. Boris Becker 18
    9. Björn Borg 17
    = Rafael Nadal 16*

    Consecutive GS semi-finals
    1. Roger Federer 23
    2. Ivan Lendl 10
    3. Novak Djokovic 9*
    4. Ivan Lendl 6
    = Nadal 6
    6. Novak Djokovic 5
    = Boris Becker 5
    8. Roger Federer 4*
    = Rod Laver 4
    = Tony Roche 4
    = John McEnroe 4
    = Andre Agassi 4
    = Jim Courer 4
    = Nadal 4
    = Andy Murray 4

    GS quarter-finals
    1. Jimmy Connors 41
    2. Roger Federer 38*
    3. Agassi 36
    4. Ivan Lendl 34
    5. Pete Sampras 29
    6. John McEnroe 26
    = Stefan Edberg 26
    8. Boris Becker 23
    = Rafael Nadal 23*
    9. Novak Djokovic 22*
    10. Björn Borg 21

    Consecutive GS quarter-finals
    1. Roger Federer 34*
    2. Ivan Lendl 14
    = Novak Djokovic 14*
    4. Rafael Nadal 11
    5. Pete Sampras 10
    6. Ivan Lendl 7
    = Mats Wilander 7
    = Andy Murray 7
    9. Andre Agassi 6
    = Rafael Nadal 6

    All Four Slams Per Year
    Rod Laver 1969

    Three Slams Per Year
    Jimmy Connors 1974
    Mats Wilander 1988
    Roger Federer 2004
    Roger Federer 2006
    Roger Federer 2007

    Rafael Nadal 2010
    Novak Djokovic 2011


    All Four Finals Per Year
    Roger Federer 2006
    Roger Federer 2007
    Roger Federer 2009

    Rod Laver 1969

    All Four Semi-finals Per Year
    Rod Laver 1969
    Ivan Lendl 1987
    Roger Federer 2005
    Roger Federer 2006
    Roger Federer 2007
    Roger Federer 2008
    Roger Federer 2009

    Rafael Nadal 2008
    Novak Djokovic 2011
    Andy Murray 2011

    Most consecutive matches won at one Grand Slam event:
    1. Björn Borg (Wimbledon), 41
    2. Roger Federer (Wimbledon), 40
    = Roger Federer (US Open), 40

    4. Pete Sampras (Wimbledon), 31
    = Rafael Nadal (French Open), 31

    Most consecutive Slams played:
    1. Wayne Ferreira 56
    2. Stefan Edberg 54
    3. Roger Federer 52*
    4. Fabrice Santoro 46
    5. Dominik Hrbatý 44
    6. Feliciano Lopez 43*
    7. Tommy Robredo 41
    8. David Ferrer 40*
    9. Mark Woodforde 37
    =. Jonas Björkman 37

    Most Grand Slam match wins
    2. Roger Federer 248*
    2. Jimmy Connors 233
    3. Andre Agassi 224
    4. Ivan Lendl 222
    5. Pete Sampras 204

    Other Stuff:

    Year-End Championships
    1. Roger Federer 6*
    2. Ivan Lendl 5
    = Pete Sampras 5
    4. Ilie Nastase 3
    = John McEnroe 3
    = Boris Becker 3

    Most Weeks at #1
    1. Roger Federer 297+*
    2. Pete Sampras 286
    3. Ivan Lendl 270
    4. Jimmy Connors 268
    5. John McEnroe 170
    6. Björn Borg 109
    7. Rafael Nadal 102*
    8. Andre Agassi 101
    9. Lleyton Hewitt 80
    10. Stefan Edberg 72

    Consecutive Weeks at #1
    1. Roger Federer (1) 237
    2. Jimmy Connors (1) 160
    3. Ivan Lendl (1) 157
    4. Pete Sampras (1) 102
    5. Jimmy Connors (2) 84
    6. Pete Sampras (2) 82
    7. Ivan Lendl (2) 80
    8. Lleyton Hewitt (1) 75
    9. John McEnroe (1) 58
    10. Rafael Nadal (1) 56

    Year End #1
    1. Sampras 6
    2. Federer 5*
    3. Borg 4
    4. Connors 3
    = Lendl 3
    = McEnroe 3


    Highest Season Winning Percentage
    1. John McEnroe (1984) .965 82–3
    2. Jimmy Connors (1974) .959 93–4
    3. Roger Federer (2005) .953 81–4
    4. Roger Federer (2006) .948 92–5

    5. Björn Borg (1979) .933 84–6
    6. Ivan Lendl (1986) .925 74–6
    7. Roger Federer (2004) .925 74–6
    8. Ivan Lendl (1985) .923 84–7
    9. Ivan Lendl (1982) .922 106–9
    10. Björn Borg (1980) .921 70–6
    = Novak Djokovic (2011) 0.921 70-6

    Most ATP Titles
    1. Jimmy Connors 109
    2. Ivan Lendl 94
    3. John McEnroe 77
    4. Roger Federer 75*
    5. Björn Borg 64
    = Pete Sampras 64
    7. Guillermo Vilas 62
    8. Andre Agassi 60
    9. Sampras 6
    = Rafael Nadal 50*
    10. Boris Becker 49

    Consecutive Match Win Streak
    1. Björn Borg 49 1978
    2. Björn Borg 48 1979–80
    3. Guillermo Vilas 46 1977
    4. Ivan Lendl 44 1981–82
    5. Novak Djokovic 43 2010–11
    6. John McEnroe 42 1984
    7. Roger Federer 41 2006–07
    8. Thomas Muster 35 1995
    = Roger Federer 35 2005
    10.Jimmy Connors 33 1974
     
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  27. RF20Lennon

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    Roger "GOAT" Federer
     
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  28. Russeljones

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    TMF just a footnote, couple of Nadal's streaks ended this year.
     
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  29. NadalAgassi

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    Nadal isnt the GOAT at this point but your reasoning is stupid. Federer is 0-5 vs Nadal at the French Open which is alot bigger event than the WTF which isnt even a slam. Federer is even 0-2 vs Nadal at the Australian Open as well. By your logic Federer could never be the GOAT either.
     
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  30. RF20Lennon

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    Who's post are you arguing against?
     
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  32. NadalAgassi

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    The bolded parts already eliminate any credability the list had. Emerson 11 spots higher than Pancho Gonzales, hahahaha
     
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    Not to mention they ranked Renshaw at 46...I'd put him at least at 44!
     
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  34. Dedans Penthouse

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    PROPS to Mike Sams (man knows how to humorously troll) - lighting the fire..nice job!


    Hey TMF, you forgot this one:

    HEAD-TO-HEAD mano-a-mano:

    THE BITER: 18 - 64.3%
    THE Weeper: 10 - 35.7%

    Ouch!....beatdown-city!



    "He prances in GOLD.."

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    "He cries in WHITE.."

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    "He weeps in BLUE.."

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    "But is never uptight.."

    * sigh * ..... "ooh, I just love my fanboys!!!!"


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    :twisted:
     
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  36. Surfer Rosa Rack

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    Listen you idiot, cut it out!!! Roger's the GOAT and there is nothing you or any other *******s can say about it!

    The greatest!!! Do you understand you stupid ****?
     
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    Dedans, you make me squeal :lol:
     
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  38. beast of mallorca

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    You took the fun out, from the *******s ! Epic !! But it ain't right.
    Got me LOL though
     
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    Surely nobody prances about in gold anyway? More like lurching awkwardly under the enormous strain of all that heavy but valuable metal weighing you down.

    Would certainly ruin his footwork anyway.
     
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    [/QUOTE]


    Federer might be the greatest of all time, yes, but this list is sensationalist tripe and I don't see why anybody would use it to bolster the claim that Federer is the greatest. I don't know about a serious tennis historian that would rank Gonzales below players like Emerson, or Emerson at 11 when he wasn't even in the top 5 (maybe not even top 8 ) of his own era.

    There's a difference -- a huge one -- between journalist and historian. It doesn't matter how "expertly" these guys are, if they have little knowledge of half the guys they are ranking.
     
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    LOL. Indeed my good (Hood) man, we should all 'prance' so well. ;-) regards.



    Um,...er, ok Rosa, if that's the way you feel about it....tell you what, you hot to trot little twat, calm down and sit on my face instead.. :twisted:
     
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  42. NadalAgassi

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    Exactly. Given such absurdities of the list as Emerson being at 11 and Gonzales being at only 22 I would love to see a list of this supposed group of experts, historians, former players, etc....It wouldnt surprise me if the list included people like Jon Wertheim, Luke Jensen, Mary Carillo, Peter Bodo, Ted Robinson, Bill Mcatee, and ex greats who have are well known to have fried their brains with excessive and dangerous high drug use since their playing days- Borg and Wilander.
     
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    [/QUOTE]

    The list is, as seasoned posters mostly claimed, very biassed.

    it is not Laver´s fault if Federer never wins the Gran Slam ( not even in the pathetic fields of Fed´s best year 2006 he was able to do it...)
     
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  44. kiki

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    Agassi at 7 is still a bigger joke than that....
     
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  45. Prisoner of Birth

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    And it's not Federer's fault Laver was banned from playing Grand Slams for the most of his prime. See, I can do it too.

    And calling the 2006 field pathetic compared to Laver's year is a joke. Players now are way more athletic and professional than back then.
     
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  46. NadalAgassi

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    LOL you have to be kidding me. 1969 had Laver, Rosewall, Newcombe, Emerson, Smith, Ashe, aging Gonzales. It was probably the deepest field in history, just look at Laver's draws to his Grand Slam. The 2006 field is WAY weaker than that. Federer faced Nadal who was only a clay courter back then, Roddick, Ljubicic, Davydenko, and Blake. Blake was the year end #4 that year, and wasnt Davydenko year end #3.
     
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    Like I said, the game is a lot more professional now. The general standard of play is now higher.
     
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  48. NadalAgassi

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    You are entitled your opinion but in the context of their own times which is all we can compare the 69 field was way tougher than the 2006 field. The 2006 field was basically the midst of another brief transition era with Safin and Hewitt DONE, and I mean 110% done as any kind of contender, Roddick on decline and never consistently at his 2003-2005 level ever again and barely a slam contender anymore, Ferrero and Coria long done, Agassi retiring, and Djokovic and Murray nobodies on the scene at that point, Nadal still only a clay courter despite his at that point fluke Wimbledon final (Robby Kendrick a qualifier should have beaten him in straight sets at Wimbledon that year). The 1969 field has atleast 5 players who rate in the top 25 players of all time today. Blake and Davydenko were the 3rd and 4th best players in the World in 2006. There simply is no comaprision.
     
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    you said it, the fact that Laver was deprievd from playing the traditional slam events during his prime years (1963-1967) avoided him doubling his records at traditional majors.That is why we have to consider pro majors, with the pro fields being pretty much tougher than amateurs.
     
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    That´s it.To have Davydenko and Blake as the 3 rd and 4 th best player, just says it all.
     
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