I hate Alcaraz's Ugly Topspin

[TennisBro]

Carlos took care of business today. He did what he needed to do to win. His topspin beat Sinner.

The swing off the forehand and backhand that generates that kinda topspin looks so ugly that I have troubles wanting to watch the match. You guys can throw my thread and me under the bus (especially the Rafa fans). But think about the tennis that we see these days; Djokovic robotic baseline game, Medvedev substandard octopus forehands and backhands and now Alcaraz racket trajectory of his swings over his head as if he were a construction worker throwing concrete on the wall.

I miss Federer and Sampras very much.

 

[johnmccabe]

Topspin is fine. Super high topspin doesn't look good.

 

[ADuck]

It's feels like only recently (since Cincinnati) that Alcaraz has slightly changed his FH to be more as you described.

 

[Fabresque]

Player plays high percentage tennis. TTW hates them. Copy and paste every single week.

Pro players are there to win. Not entertain you people.

 

[TheGoldenEra1990’s]

Sinner sprayed too many shots he normally hits from set 2 on. That was basically the match. Sinners errors

 

[FeroBango]

Sinner sprayed too many shots he normally hits from set 2 on. That was basically the match. Sinners errors

Lol.

 

[FeroBango]

The Alcaraz forehand is a thing of beauty -- flat or otherwise.

 

[InsuranceMan]

You’re never going to believe this but there’s actually different dimensions of play in tennis

 

[tudwell]

Sinner hits the backhand with much more topspin than Alcaraz. He even breaks the wrists to whip the racquet around forehand-style a lot of the time. Alcaraz has a short, linear swing that doesn’t really lend itself to generating a whole lot of topspin.

 

[TheWizardFromElPalmar]

Ugly topspin? Wtf.Alcaraz forehand is amazing to watch.

 

[johnmccabe]

The Alcaraz forehand is a thing of beauty -- flat or otherwise.

If he keeps hitting moon high heavy topspin, it's not good looking. It's not the stroke, it's what you do with the stroke.

 

[FeroBango]

If he keeps hitting moon high heavy topspin, it's not good looking. It's not the stroke, it's what you do with the stroke.

He has more winners than Jannik off that wing iirc.

I'd rather him win doing what he normally doesn't do -- high topspin reset -- than ball bash and lose

 

[FeroBango]

Ugly topspin? Wtf.Alcaraz forehand is amazing to watch.

The most glorious wing to watch today.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Federer is retired player. You can watch his matches on youtube. Not live. So ofcourse if you will only watch live matches you will miss federer.
Sampras is 52 year old guy. Alcaraz's parents are probably younger than Pete Sampras. He is that old.

It is what it is.

Old youtube for the nostalgia.

 

[johnmccabe]

He has more winners than Jannik off that wing iirc.

I'd rather him win doing what he normally doesn't do -- high topspin reset -- than ball bash and lose

I'm happy for either of these guys to win. I want to watch them pushing limits, not just do anything to beat the other guy. These two are special. If any of them became the ordinary men on tour, I'll lose interest.

 

[The Green Mile]

You get the best of both worlds with Alcaraz, high net clearance cross-court forehand shots, which oftentimes sets up the flat 90 mph plus bullets, great to watch.

We've been watching Rafa for 20 years, everyone should be desensitized to the windshield technique by now

 

[messiahrobins]

Indian wells and clay suit top spin. Alcaraz was playing brainless tennis to start. Alcaraz at his best his way better than sinner as he has much more options.

 

[sandiegoman]

Alcaraz hits a heavy ball and is amazing to watch. He has so many weapons

 

[helterskelter]

Federer is retired player. You can watch his matches on youtube. Not live. So ofcourse if you will only watch live matches you will miss federer.
Sampras is 52 year old guy. Alcaraz's parents are probably younger than Pete Sampras. He is that old.

It is what it is.

Old youtube for the nostalgia.

I wonder whether Alcaraz’s parents are younger than Sampras. Does anyone have information? It wouldn’t surprise me if they were older than him. In European middle-class circles, many/most parents are 30+ when their children are born. Alcaraz has three siblings. I don’t know which number he is in the birth order. If he is the youngest, I would be very surprised indeed if his father is younger than Sampras. If the oldest, it’s more likely.

Edit: I believe his father is a former player born in 1969, and about 20 months OLDER than Sampras.

 

[aldeayeah]

I wonder whether Alcaraz’s parents are younger than Sampras. Does anyone have information? It wouldn’t surprise me if they were older than him. In European middle-class circles, many/most parents are 30+ when their children are born. Alcaraz has three siblings. I don’t know which number he is in the birth order. If he is the youngest, I would be very surprised indeed if his father is younger than Sampras. If the oldest, it’s more likely.

Edit: I believe his father is a former player born in 1969, and about 20 months OLDER than Sampras.

Do we have proof that his father is not, in fact, Sampras?

 

[Clay lover]

We got Nadal hitting heavy reverse forehands for 20 years and this guy is mad now?

 

[ALCARAZWON]

Has there ever been a player more hated on TalkTennis than Alcaraz?
When the most robotic player Sinner has just been taken to the cleaners by the ultra-creative Alcaraz, and you make a thread critiquing Alcaraz's style?

 

[Fintft]

Has there ever been a player more hated on TalkTennis than Alcaraz?

Uhm, Juker?

 

[Bender]

 

[Bender]

We got Nadal hitting heavy reverse forehands for 20 years and this guy is mad now?

Forget about Nadal

Sampras had been hitting reverse forehands for another 20 years before that and this guy is getting mad now?

 

[TheSlicer]

Well thats a shallow take, but hey, i Guess we're all shallow to some degree

 

[TheSlicer]

Forget about Nadal

Sampras had been hitting reverse forehands for another 20 years before that and this guy is getting mad now?

how is he supposed to know? he was born in 2010

 

[Krish0608]

Sinner sprayed too many shots he normally hits from set 2 on. That was basically the match. Sinners errors

Lol. That’s a strong dose of copium.

 

[Nuclear Warhead Sinner]

Alcaraz has solved Sinner.

 

[bobeeto]

Alcaraz hits a stupid fast ball off the forehand wing. I pray everyone gets the chance to see that level of ball striking once in the flesh.

 

[tex123]

Carlos took care of business today. He did what he needed to do to win. His topspin beat Sinner.

The swing off the forehand and backhand that generates that kinda topspin looks so ugly that I have troubles wanting to watch the match. You guys can throw my thread and me under the bus (especially the Rafa fans). But think about the tennis that we see these days; Djokovic robotic baseline game, Medvedev substandard octopus forehands and backhands and now Alcaraz racket trajectory of his swings over his head as if he were a construction worker throwing concrete on the wall.

I miss Federer and Sampras very much.

Get help.

Now we have people disliking top spin

 

[3loudboys]

OP could always watch pickleball. It’s a much flatter game.

 

[Passingshot78]

Only ugly thing in tennis are unathletic no cordination people playing in zero pace but thinking and talking about beautyful strokes.

 

[bnjkn]

Carlos took care of business today. He did what he needed to do to win. His topspin beat Sinner.

The swing off the forehand and backhand that generates that kinda topspin looks so ugly that I have troubles wanting to watch the match. You guys can throw my thread and me under the bus (especially the Rafa fans). But think about the tennis that we see these days; Djokovic robotic baseline game, Medvedev substandard octopus forehands and backhands and now Alcaraz racket trajectory of his swings over his head as if he were a construction worker throwing concrete on the wall.

I miss Federer and Sampras very much.

It looks like crap, yes. When Federer did it it was very unfedererlike.

 

[nolefam_2024]

It looks like crap, yes. When Federer did it it was very unfedererlike.

How can Federer doing something be unfedererlike.

Must be your imagination of what fed should be then and not actual real life fed

 

[ChaelAZ]

I miss Federer and Sampras very much.

Meanwhile...

 

[Gerco]

Those high loopy topspin forehands helped Alcaraz win the Wimbledon Final and yesterdays match against Sinner. It lets Carlos dictate pace and change rhythm at his will.

 

[Smecz]

Carlos took care of business today. He did what he needed to do to win. His topspin beat Sinner.

The swing off the forehand and backhand that generates that kinda topspin looks so ugly that I have troubles wanting to watch the match. You guys can throw my thread and me under the bus (especially the Rafa fans). But think about the tennis that we see these days; Djokovic robotic baseline game, Medvedev substandard octopus forehands and backhands and now Alcaraz racket trajectory of his swings over his head as if he were a construction worker throwing concrete on the wall.

I miss Federer and Sampras very much.

The point is that his top spins are more forced and pushed, rather than clean and full punch swings?!

He has quite a strange manner, namely he holds the forehand for a long time, especially during top spin, and finally swings.

Comparing Sinner forehand top spin, he plays very smoothly, while Alacaraz waits too long to hit and suddenly hits at the end.

This shovel-throw forehand has been used by many people, only Alacaraz and Nadal do it frequently, and it may actually spoil the opponent's game, but it doesn't look very nice...


For me, Alcaraz is Nadal, Sampras, Djokovic, Federer, he has such a style that he has a bit of everyone in his game.


Spanish players play smart tennis, they use moves that allow them to keep the ball, and that's what Carlos does.!!

 

[jackson vile]

Always been…

 

[helterskelter]

Do we have proof that his father is not, in fact, Sampras?

PETE always seemed like a stand-up guy, so I doubt he'd have been cheating on Bridgette while she was pregnant with their son (born late November 2002, so just under six months before Calf). But stranger things have happened!

 

[Incognito]

This is the only fh that could rival that of Fedal and DelPo lol.

 

[TennisBro]

Get help.

Now we have people disliking top spin

Would you rather have people with your opinion only?

 

[Humphrey20133]

Sounds like the same crap we've heard about Rafa his entire career, simply because he stood up and beat Federer when no one else did. The stuff Fed fans would say about Rafa back then was horribly xenophobic and elitist. This isn't much different.

 

[TennisBro]

For me, Alcaraz is Nadal, Sampras, Djokovic, Federer, he has such a style that he has a bit of everyone in his game.

I hate to say that but I think you are right there.

 

[Roforot]

I only got to see this on Youtube highlights. The way people talk Carlos is throwing up moonballs and pushing...
I see aggressive shots hit w/ topspin. Compared to his previous match vs. Shelton, I don't see a big difference... does someone have statistics or examples to show the difference in tactics?

I suppose looking at it live, it may be more obvious.

 

[TennisBro]

Sounds like the same crap we've heard about Rafa his entire career, simply because he stood up and beat Federer when no one else did. The stuff Fed fans would say about Rafa back then was horribly xenophobic and elitist. This isn't much different.

I meant no "xenophobic" message here. Moon balls, to me, are embarrassing on the top of tennis world. But if they aren't to you, so be it.

 

[The Blond Blur]

I’m the exact opposite:

 

[Smecz]

I hate to say that but I think you are right there.

Yeah,I've never seen this type of player before...

He could be a combination of 2 players, but 4, that's crazy.

 

[Holmes]

If he keeps hitting moon high heavy topspin, it's not good looking. It's not the stroke, it's what you do with the stroke.

"It is not our talents that show who we really are, Harry. It is our choices."

 

[metsman]

You get the best of both worlds with Alcaraz, high net clearance cross-court forehand shots, which oftentimes sets up the flat 90 mph plus bullets, great to watch.

We've been watching Rafa for 20 years, everyone should be desensitized to the windshield technique by now

Except Ned was more or less in position for every ball, and purposefully did the windshield to impart extra spin. As a result, it looked much better. Alcaraz, due to his swing length and footwork, uses the windshield to make up for his lack of position as it allows you to catch the ball later(similar to when old Fed used to do it). And that's very very ugly indeed. The main difference is the balance.