If Djokovic Wins The French, Could He Overtake Nadal?

Could Djokovic overtake Nadals career?

  • Yes he could!

    Votes: 20 42.6%

  • No he couldn't!

    Votes: 27 57.4%
  • Total voters
    47
SamprasisGOAT

SamprasisGOAT

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If Novak could do it on Sunday and beats nadal I think he could overtake nadal in the GOAT rankings if he leads the head to head against nadal. It's 22-19 nadal at the moment and wins at least 3 more majors. We all know that when Djokovic plays near his best he always beats nadal. Just look at the matches since 2011 where nadal has beaten Djokovic

2012 French open final Reason was rain. Nole was on his way back big time there.

2013 French open semi Reason was pascal Maria!

2013 us open final Reason was nadals cake walk draw he always gets and French open hangover.

So as I say Djokovic always beats nadal when they play there best.
 
tennisaddict

tennisaddict

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Novak needs 3 more to get him to 9 majors. With a positive h2h over Nadal, it will be hard to put Nadal over Novak then.

I understood that from Fedal comparisons. 9:13 as 13:17
 
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booson

Professional
If Novak v Nadal is 25-22 (just to say something), Nadalians will say that he has won more slams. while ignoring Fedelians saying the same thing. It will be hilarious.
 
SpinToWin

SpinToWin

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booson said:
If Novak v Nadal is 25-22 (just to say something), Nadalians will say that he has won more slams. while ignoring Fedelians saying the same thing. It will be hilarious.
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Ohhhhhh I hope that comes to pass, I will relish the moment :)
 
L

ledwix

Hall of Fame
Of course he can overtake H2H. It's a good possibility in the next year.

But H2H doesn't mean anything compared to accomplishments. Djoko's chances of surpassing Nadal ended at RG 2012.
 
R

reaper

Legend
Players are judged on their overall record not an individual head to head. Djokovic won his first Grand Slam title in 2008, and in the 6 years since has won 5 more GS titles. He's one year younger than Nadal and has won nearly half as many Grand Slam titles as him.
 
The Green Mile

The Green Mile

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reaper said:
Players are judged on their overall record not an individual head to head. Djokovic won his first Grand Slam title in 2008, and in the 6 years since has won 5 more GS titles. He's one year younger than Nadal and has won nearly half as many Grand Slam titles as him.
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Doesn't feel like it...
 
Fed881981

Fed881981

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I'm Fed fan and there has never been a tennis player that I hated more than Nadal. But, if Djoker takes the H2H without taking the lead in the GS count, I still think Nadal will be ranked higher. How higher? well, that's open to discussion. That also depends on weeks at #1, # of wins of WTFs, the olympics, the distribution of GSs (for Nadal, it's very concentrated around RG; for Djoker, around AO) and so on.
 
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Tennis_Hands

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booson said:
If Novak v Nadal is 25-22 (just to say something), Nadalians will say that he has won more slams. while ignoring Fedelians saying the same thing. It will be hilarious.
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There were times, when the VB members were directing their spite towards Federer, because he was clearly prioritizing the Majors over any other tournament (by not giving 100% in every tournament).

Funny, considering their comments nowadays because of Nadal doing the same thing.
 
newpball

newpball

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SamprasisGOAT said:
If Novak could do it on Sunday and beats nadal I think he could overtake nadal in the GOAT rankings if he leads the head to head against nadal. It's 22-19 nadal at the moment and wins at least 3 more majors. We all know that when Djokovic plays near his best he always beats nadal. Just look at the matches since 2011 where nadal has beaten Djokovic

2012 French open final Reason was rain. Nole was on his way back big time there.

2013 French open semi Reason was pascal Maria!

2013 us open final Reason was nadals cake walk draw he always gets and French open hangover.

So as I say Djokovic always beats nadal when they play there best.
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Keep having sweet dreams.

:grin:
 
The Green Mile

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Tennis_Hands said:
There were times, when the VB members were directing their spite towards Federer, because he was clearly prioritizing the Majors over any other tournament (by not giving 100% in every tournament).

Funny, considering their comments nowadays because of Nadal doing the same thing.
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Nadal ALWAYS gives 110% in ALL of his matches!....:wink:

Lol, whats funny is that some people think Nadal is CLEARLY prioritizing the Grand Slams and only giving 50% in the masters and whatnot, when actually the Djoker is just dominating them, while Nadal looses early or gets beaten by the Djoker.

Obviously the slams are the most important, but come on... why even try to make the finals then?
 
Chico

Chico

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SamprasisGOAT said:
If Novak could do it on Sunday and beats nadal I think he could overtake nadal in the GOAT rankings if he leads the head to head against nadal. It's 22-19 nadal at the moment and wins at least 3 more majors. We all know that when Djokovic plays near his best he always beats nadal. Just look at the matches since 2011 where nadal has beaten Djokovic

2012 French open final Reason was rain. Nole was on his way back big time there.

2013 French open semi Reason was pascal Maria!

2013 us open final Reason was nadals cake walk draw he always gets and French open hangover.

So as I say Djokovic always beats nadal when they play there best.
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Indeed. Djokovic is superior player to Nada and their matches are always on Djokovic's racquet. It they play their best without outside factors Novak always wins.
 
G

Graf=GOAT

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tennisaddict said:
Novak needs 3 more to get him to 9 majors. With a positive h2h over Nadal, it will be hard to put Nadal over Novak then.

I understood that from Fedal comparisons. 9:13 as 13:17
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He needs to win 14 slams if he wants to be greater than Nadal. Just like Nadal needs to win 18 to be greater than Federer.

The fanboys in this thread are hilarious to think Cheater is anywhere close to guys like Agassi, let alone Borg/Nadal/Sampras.
 
Crose

Crose

Professional
Literally every single reason you posted for Nadal beating Novak at those slams was utter bull****. Djokovic is an all-time great, but he has just about no chance of overtaking Nadal all time.
 
Turning Pro

Turning Pro

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booson said:
If Novak v Nadal is 25-22 (just to say something), Nadalians will say that he has won more slams. while ignoring Fedelians saying the same thing. It will be hilarious.
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BIG BIG DIFFERENCE lol. nadal is something like 9-3 in slams vs djoker and dosent have a 2-6 deficit in slam finals and fed has a positive h2h in slams vs djoker too i believe.
 
J

JohnKramer

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SamprasisGOAT said:
If Novak could do it on Sunday and beats nadal I think he could overtake nadal in the GOAT rankings if he leads the head to head against nadal. It's 22-19 nadal at the moment and wins at least 3 more majors. We all know that when Djokovic plays near his best he always beats nadal. Just look at the matches since 2011 where nadal has beaten Djokovic

2012 French open final Reason was rain. Nole was on his way back big time there.

2013 French open semi Reason was pascal Maria!

2013 us open final Reason was nadals cake walk draw he always gets and French open hangover.

So as I say Djokovic always beats nadal when they play there best.
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This is a shameless post. You should stop trolling.
All the above are illusions created by federer fans.
If Nadal plays his best as shown in US Open 2013 he can beat him.
Its the injury issues of Nadal that is giving advantage to djokovic.

Now let me answer your shameless opinions.

2012 French open final ...Rain happened twice, there is no such thing as rain will favor some player. A better player on that day will always win ---

2013 French open semi Reason was pascal Maria! --- Give us a break. The net point he lost, djokovic won that game. Still fed fans are showing this as excuse.

2013 us open final Reason was nadals cake walk draw he always gets and French open hangover. Oh my god...what are you smoking dude?
 
The Green Mile

The Green Mile

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Turning Pro said:
BIG BIG DIFFERENCE lol. nadal is something like 9-3 in slams vs djoker and dosent have a 2-6 deficit in slam finals and fed has a positive h2h in slams vs djoker too i believe.
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Yeah, but to get to 25-22 he would win 6 more matches so...

9-9 in Grand Slam meetings (much better now)

All their meetings would be in grand slam finals so, Djokovic would be 12-6 in Slam Finals, and Nadal would now be 13-12 :oops:
 
Bender

Bender

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SamprasisGOAT said:
If Novak could do it on Sunday and beats nadal I think he could overtake nadal in the GOAT rankings if he leads the head to head against nadal. It's 22-19 nadal at the moment and wins at least 3 more majors. We all know that when Djokovic plays near his best he always beats nadal. Just look at the matches since 2011 where nadal has beaten Djokovic

2012 French open final Reason was rain. Nole was on his way back big time there.

2013 French open semi Reason was pascal Maria!

2013 us open final Reason was nadals cake walk draw he always gets and French open hangover.

So as I say Djokovic always beats nadal when they play there best.
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Btw, I'll have you know that the only reason Djokovic was able to get into the match was because of the rain. No heavy rain and he would've lost in straight sets.
 
puiacalin91

puiacalin91

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SamprasisGOAT said:
If Novak could do it on Sunday and beats nadal I think he could overtake nadal in the GOAT rankings if he leads the head to head against nadal. It's 22-19 nadal at the moment and wins at least 3 more majors. We all know that when Djokovic plays near his best he always beats nadal. Just look at the matches since 2011 where nadal has beaten Djokovic

2012 French open final Reason was rain. Nole was on his way back big time there.

2013 French open semi Reason was pascal Maria!

2013 us open final Reason was nadals cake walk draw he always gets and French open hangover.

So as I say Djokovic always beats nadal when they play there best.
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omg dude i think u can make up excuses for every 22 loses of nole to nadal , i dare u , u got pottential
 
The Green Mile

The Green Mile

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puiacalin91 said:
you are really bored dude if you sit home and correct some gramatical errors of people on forums
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Well, it is around 9 at night, and I have work in the morning, so it is understandable why im at home I guess...

And anyways I could of been on my phone, NOT at home :shock:
 
The Green Mile

The Green Mile

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Russeljones said:
Or reading a book (God forbid!) or spending time with family or friends. :razz:
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Haha, I live on a Naval Base, and my family don't live close by, but I do live with a couple of good mates. I am also reading the second novel of the series "A song of ice and fire", which has been a really good read so far:)
 
NatF

NatF

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If Djokovic wins 4 in a row then he would arguably be on Nadal's level. Nothing other than a super human feat will allow him to match Rafa.
 
Russeljones

Russeljones

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The Green Mile said:
Haha, I live on a Naval Base, and my family don't live close by, but I do live with a couple of good mates. I am also reading the second novel of the series "A song of ice and fire", which has been a really good read so far:)
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I suggest you stop reading after this one then :) Not going to say anything else but please try to resist the temptation to read the remaining books.
 
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FedererWinsWimbledon2014

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He is not getting 13 slams. Sorry

However if he achieved more YE#1, a lot more weeks at #1. 10 slams and add in the consistency streaks as wells as maybe 4 WTFs to 0. Maybe we could have an argument for Nole.
 
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Deleted member 77403

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Let's see if can win the French first before we start declaring him GOAT.

At this point in time, even if Nadal loses on Sunday to Djokovic, and even if he goes down in the H2H by the end of the season, he is still far ahead in the all the time rankings. He has accomplished much more than Djokovic as of now.
 
fatichar

fatichar

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As per OP, wasn't hangover of Monte Carlo the reason why Djoko could take Rafa to 5 grand sets last year!



EDIT: Sorry, my bad! I expected rationality and equality.
 
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martini1

martini1

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Djoker is the late bloomer. Of course in the next few years he can continue to beat Rafa, if he can keep his level of playing. I just cannot see how Rafa's body can hold up for that long. He also got nothing more to prove in RG. He declined in Wimby, and HC is not even his favorite surface. I won't be surprise if Rafa hangs up his racket by 30.
 
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SamprasisGOAT said:
I think Djokovic only needs 9-10 slams to over take him if he has the head to head.
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Djokovic will need 13 or 14 slams either way. Besides that, even if Djokovic does win the French Open this year he won't win more than 8 or 9 slams, therefore still being in the Agassi-Lendl category, and not the Borg-Sampras-Nadal-Federer one.
 
tennisaddict

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Sabratha said:
Djokovic will need 13 or 14 slams either way. Besides that, even if Djokovic does win the French Open this year he won't win more than 8 or 9 slams, therefore still being in the Agassi-Lendl category, and not the Borg-Sampras-Nadal-Federer one.
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Federer is a separate tier and a big gulf exists between Borg/Sampras/Nadal and him.

The gap is as sizeable as Murray and Hewitt's achievements put together
 
SpicyCurry1990

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As much of a Djoker fan as I am, I gotta say I don't see this as possible. Joker's chances to supplant Nadal really ended last year when he lost the RG and USO matches.

Those matches were huge legacy definers. If Djokovic won those two matches instead of Nadal:

1) Slam count is 11-8 instead of 13-6 with Nole already having the career slam

2) Djoker leads the head to head already 21-20 instead of being down 19-22.

3) The slam head-to-head is a respectable 5-6 instead of a crushing 3-8 and Djoker leads the Slam Final head-to-head 4-2 instead of it being 3-3.

4) Djoker leads 3-2 in YE #1 finishes and is up 30 weeks in weeks at #1 instead of being down 30 weeks.

If all of that were in play and then Djoker beat Nadal this weekend to move the slam difference to only 9-11, take a commanding slam final h2h lead and even up the total slam h2h, I would give him a legit chance to pass Nadal on the GOAT list.

As it stands now it would take a monumental run even greater than what he did in 2011 and sustained for multiple years to have a chance.

He would need to do something like:

Run off a non-calendar slam starting sunday (RG, Wimb, USO, AO) and then defend RG next year to complete the double career slam, becoming the first man in open era history to win 5 straight slams. Then win USO 15 as well.

Along with that he would need to finish out 2014 and 2015 as YE #1, surpass Nadal in the h2h, beat Nadal at each of the six slams, win Cincy to complete the Masters Slam, win 9-10 of the next 13 masters shields while only letting Nadal get 1-2, and win both the 14/15 WTF.
 
PrinceMoron

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Fed881981 said:
I'm Fed fan and there has never been a tennis player that I hated more than Nadal. But, if Djoker takes the H2H without taking the lead in the GS count, I still think Nadal will be ranked higher. How higher? well, that's open to discussion. That also depends on weeks at #1, # of wins of WTFs, the olympics, the distribution of GSs (for Nadal, it's very concentrated around RG; for Djoker, around AO) and so on.
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The WTF yes, but the Olympics? WTF has the Olympics got to do with anything? Who ever cared about the Olympics? The gold isn't real, and neither is the importance. I can understand the significance to some sports like archery, but not players on the tour.
 
MichaelNadal

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SpicyCurry1990 said:
As much of a Djoker fan as I am, I gotta say I don't see this as possible. Joker's chances to supplant Nadal really ended last year when he lost the RG and USO matches.

Those matches were huge legacy definers. If Djokovic won those two matches instead of Nadal:

1) Slam count is 11-8 instead of 13-6 with Nole already having the career slam

2) Djoker leads the head to head already 21-20 instead of being down 19-22.

3) The slam head-to-head is a respectable 5-6 instead of a crushing 3-8 and Djoker leads the Slam Final head-to-head 4-2 instead of it being 3-3.

4) Djoker leads 3-2 in YE #1 finishes and is up 30 weeks in weeks at #1 instead of being down 30 weeks.

If all of that were in play and then Djoker beat Nadal this weekend to move the slam difference to only 9-11, take a commanding slam final h2h lead and even up the total slam h2h, I would give him a legit chance to pass Nadal on the GOAT list.

As it stands now it would take a monumental run even greater than what he did in 2011 and sustained for multiple years to have a chance.

He would need to do something like:

Run off a non-calendar slam starting sunday (RG, Wimb, USO, AO) and then defend RG next year to complete the double career slam, becoming the first man in open era history to win 5 straight slams. Then win USO 15 as well.

Along with that he would need to finish out 2014 and 2015 as YE #1, surpass Nadal in the h2h, beat Nadal at each of the six slams, win Cincy to complete the Masters Slam, win 9-10 of the next 13 masters shields while only letting Nadal get 1-2, and win both the 14/15 WTF.
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Yep, Djokovic purchased a plot of land on planet Tier 2 with his results last year :) he might as well build a nice house on it.
 
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