Is Roger Federer the greatest athlete of all time?

Defining athlete is relative to everyone else's terms/opinions: whether it emcompasses physical strength, agility, hand eye coordination, consistency, level of competition (ie soccer and football are more popular sports, and many potential tennis stars might end up playing the more popular sports, affected by cultural influences in their community). etc... but in the end, do you believe that Federer is the greatest athlete of all time?

He plays in an individual sport, thereby demanding more mentally than any other team sport: he has no one to take the pressure off of his mind but himself. Now for strength, I believe that anyone can simply build up muscle and strength through training, but fitness depends a lot on mental strength, and we've seen him endure the tests that the tennis world has demanded of him. And simply put, there are shots that Federer makes that many athletes make in practice easily, but it's his mental strength and amazing hand eye coordination that allows him to do it consistently. Also consider the level of competition in his sport: he has to play with the likes of Andy Roddick, the biggest server in today's game (in terms of speed); Rafael Nadal, who has revolutionized spin in today's game, and a plethora of other highly skilled players like Djokovic, Murray, del Potro (power anyone?). I don't want to criticize other sports, but I feel like tennis demands more out of you yourself (you're the only one that will really put a toll on your body) than team sports sport like football in which your career is determined by essentially how many times you're tackled and how hard. Baseball perhaps holds the claim of players with the highest amount of hand eye coordination in the world... except they don't do it while they're moving. The only significant moving they do is catching baseball with big gloves (cricket players catch balls bare-handed...) and sprinting for bases. I can assure you that players like Monfils and Nadal could outrun most baseball players in today's game. Taking all of this together, and Roger Federer has become the greatest player in his sport, all within 7 years.. So, is there any other comparison? Pele, Wilt Chamberlain, Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods???

What is your definition/take on how an athlete should be defined? Does Tiger Woods, who probably does no actual running on a golf course, or racers, who only sit in place for the entire race, be considered to an athlete like Federer?
 
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Limpinhitter

G.O.A.T.
Speed, strength, balance, timing, coordination, skill, focus and competitiveness are all elements of athleticism. IMO, Roger Federer isn't even the greatest athlete in tennis history, much less of any sport, of all time. He's a great athlete, but, not that great.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Tiger is not the greatest athlete b/c golf doesn't require much effort. If a person can compete at the age of 60, I don't think you want to include golf into this discussion
 

Limpinhitter

G.O.A.T.
Tiger is not the greatest athlete b/c golf doesn't require much effort. If a person can compete at the age of 60, I don't think you want to include golf into this discussion

Golf doesn't require as much physical exertion as tennis and many other sports. However, it does require more in the way of balance, timing, coordinaiton and proprioceptive awareness than any other sport, IMO. Golf is probably the only sport that requires more skill than tennis. Similarly, learning to play golf is like learning to play a musical instrument. It takes years of devoted practice just to be good enough to have fun.
 
Define "define".

My point exactly.. you aren't trying to avoid the definition now are you?? I'll give golf the hand eye coordination, but nothing compares to making shots on the run. You have to constantly adapt to your players' tactics and shots. In golf, you may, but generally you'll either play your own game constantly and take risks here and there if you need to catch up.
 

fed_rulz

Hall of Fame
Speed, strength, balance, timing, coordination, skill, focus and competitiveness are all elements of athleticism. IMO, Roger Federer isn't even the greatest athlete in tennis history, much less of any sport, of all time. He's a great athlete, but, not that great.

ok, who is, IYO, the greatest athlete that tennis has seen?
 

OddJack

G.O.A.T.
For me he is. Talking about solo sports.

Never before aesthetics, longevity, consistency and success were combined so efficiently.
 
ok, who is, IYO, the greatest athlete that tennis has seen?
I could come up with a whole list of athletes that are stronger, faster, and more agile than Roger Federer. Nadal to name one, but that's what makes Roger such a great athlete: he's not the strongest, but he's able to beat players that are better than him because he's so mentally strong. On particular days, a player like Berdych (say at the Australian Open last year) will be in the zone and up 2 sets to love on Fed. But Fed being Fed, he's able to mentally stay in there and come out in 5. Monfils is a great athlete, but that doesn't help him win the biggest matches.. he's not consistent enough with other aspects of his game. Like I said, anyone can build up strength and muscle, so that's why I won't consider NFL Offensive Lineman in this category. Speed is one thing that's natural, you can't increase that with simply building up your legs. Being an athlete, like I said, will vary with everyone's perspectives, but in my opinion, it should entail using some athletiscism and then some mental aspect to overcome someone who's stronger physically than you, and to be able to do it CONSISTENTLY..
 

fed_rulz

Hall of Fame
For me he is. Talking about solo sports.

Never before aesthetics, longevity, consistency and success were combined so efficiently.

True that. James Blake once said this in his on-court post match interview, that Federer is the greatest athlete in all of sports. Now that might be debatable, but to me, he is the greatest athlete that the game has ever seen (and of course, the greatest tennis player too...)
 

swordtennis

G.O.A.T.
One of greatest. Does ADD society even understand what it takes 2 go through a draw and win A Grand Slam? Mucho better topic and question.
 
I am not sure if he is the greatest athlete of all time, but he is certainly in the discussion.
He is definitely the best tennis player of all time.
 

rromeo

New User
Great, but not the greatest of all time imo. I nominate Michael Jordan w/an honorable mention to Usain Bolt for pure athletecism.
 

gsharma

Professional
Best tennis player, yes, but not best athlete. He is simply not fast enough or strong enough to be considered the best athlete in all sports.

Heck, even Bjorn Borg and Pancho Gonzales were arguably better athletes than Federer.

Then, there are guys like Muhammad Ali, Jesse Owens etc.

I wonder what is vertical jump is?
 

davey25

Banned
Federer is not even the best athlete in tennis this best decade. That is clearly Nadal. Even Monfils is a better "athlete" than Federer.
 
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Jchurch

Guest
Nope he isn't. He is one hell of an athlete but not the best. I think Michael Schumacher is a better athlete than him, although it is an entirely different set of skills for him.
 

lawrence

Hall of Fame
I think some olympian gets that title. Probably like Usain Bolt or something.
His forte requires pure speed/agility/muscle strength. No variables etc just how fast can you runnn
 

The Baseline

Professional
diego maradona was soccer's greatest player in the worlds most popular sport ever, he deserves GOAT arguements.

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HunterST

Hall of Fame
There are A BUNCH of holes in this discussion.

The way I would interpret the question is as if someone was asking if Federer was the most successful participant in a sport of all time. That is, athlete would merely mean "sports participant."

If we get into athleticism in terms of strength, speed, explosiveness, etc. the greatest athlete is not going to be Michael Jordan or a famous football player, it's going to be a successful track athlete or someone like that.

If we're talking greatest in terms of physical abilities alone, how could MJ or someone else beat out the guy who set the world record for 100 meter dash, or the world record for the hight jump?

Therefore, it's obvious that we are considering sport specific skills and accomplishments (success) in our analyses. Federer has broken or is close to almost every record in tennis. I think that would definitely make him a candidate for one of the most successful athletes of all time.
 
There are A BUNCH of holes in this discussion.

The way I would interpret the question is as if someone was asking if Federer was the most successful participant in a sport of all time. That is, athlete would merely mean "sports participant."

If we get into athleticism in terms of strength, speed, explosiveness, etc. the greatest athlete is not going to be Michael Jordan or a famous football player, it's going to be a successful track athlete or someone like that.

If we're talking greatest in terms of physical abilities alone, how could MJ or someone else beat out the guy who set the world record for 100 meter dash, or the world record for the hight jump?

Therefore, it's obvious that we are considering sport specific skills and accomplishments (success) in our analyses. Federer has broken or is close to almost every record in tennis. I think that would definitely make him a candidate for one of the most successful athletes of all time.
I acknowledged that the term athlete can vary between physical skill, mental strength, etc. The element I viewed as most important was consistency. So I'm not trying to make this persuasive argument (maybe if you consider my topic question a persuasive paper prompt...), but I think it's logical to say that you don't consider an athlete who might have the body (that can be trained and conditioned) but can't use his body consistently (and smartly, like Nadal, who is the most physical player tennis has seen but he can't keep it up for that long) and not only that, but also eventually be challenged by someone even more physical than the athlete in question, but is able to use something within him to beat the superior opponent. This is more about "in the moment". For example, Gael Monfils is more athletic than Roger Federer in terms of being physical, but there's no use for that athleticism if he can't use it when it most counts...
 

The Baseline

Professional
Golf is not a sport, it's more like chess. MJ is probably greatest athlete of all time. Or maybe Bolt.

you have to add Maradona to the mix, what he did was surreal, especially because soccer is the worlds game, played by more people than any sport, ever.
 
Golf is a sport without a doubt. The better question is are golfers athletes.

Billiards is a sport. Racing is a sport. Even Darts is a sport. But I agree with what someone said earlier, if golfers can play into their 60s, there are serious doubts about their qualifications as a traditional view of an athlete. I'm sure they do a lot of training off the grass (cardio, lifting, endurance, etc), but there's now way they're more physical than your average athlete in other sports. Like I said, the hand eye coordination and experience in golf are UP THERE, but the whole competing in a physically enduring environment and performing consistently matter a lot. Almost makes you think if Bjorn Borg should be considered here, he won so many Slams and didn't play in that many compared to how many he won. If only he had played longer...
 
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Jchurch

Guest
Billiards is a sport. Racing is a sport. Even Darts is a sport. But I agree with what someone said earlier, if golfers can play into their 60s, there are serious doubts about their qualifications as a traditional view of an athlete. I'm sure they do a lot of training off the grass (cardio, lifting, endurance, etc), but there's now way they're more physical than your average athlete in other sports. Like I said, the hand eye coordination and experience in golf are UP THERE, but the whole competing in a physically enduring environment and performing consistently matter a lot. Almost makes you think if Bjorn Borg should be considered here, he won so many Slams and didn't play in that many compared to how many he won. If only he had played longer...

I don't think that they are athletes for the most parts. You can be a golfer and be an athlete, but being a golfer doesn't automatically mean you are an athlete.
 

Lsmkenpo

Hall of Fame
No, Jim Brown, Michael Jordan, Bo Jackson all vastly superior athletes to Roger Federer.

These are athletes who could play any sport of their choosing at a professional level.
 

thalivest

Banned
The greatest athlete ever is someone like Michael Jordan, Usian Bolt, Carl Lewis, Michael Phelps, Mark Spitz, Wayne Gretzky, Diego Maradona. These are all athletes that would have been great athletes in alot of sports.

It is crazy anyone would suggest Federer. If we are talking pure athletic ability Nadal hands down is a better athlete than Federer even. And no I am not suggesting Nadal is the greatest athlete of all time but he is certainly a superior athlete to Federer. He is physically much stronger, he is faster, he is fitter, he has more aerobic capacity, his flexability is as good or better, his balance as well. Federer in many aspects as a tennis player is superior, but in no way is he a superior athlete.
 

piece

Professional
Golf doesn't require as much physical exertion as tennis and many other sports. However, it does require more in the way of balance, timing, coordinaiton and proprioceptive awareness than any other sport, IMO. Golf is probably the only sport that requires more skill than tennis. Similarly, learning to play golf is like learning to play a musical instrument. It takes years of devoted practice just to be good enough to have fun.

To play at a decent level I would agree that golf requires more hand-eye coordination than tennis, but at the top level I'm not so sure. Hand-eye coordination diminishes with age, and can start to drop off before the age of 30, so the fact that so many pro golfers are well in excess of this age suggests to me that pro tennis is more demanding in terms of hand-eye coordination than pro golf (because very few top level tennis players are over 30), although golf is the more demanding of the two in terms of the base level of hand-eye one needs to play at a reasonable level.
 

Lsmkenpo

Hall of Fame
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If we get into athleticism in terms of strength, speed, explosiveness, etc. the greatest athlete is not going to be Michael Jordan or a famous football player, it's going to be a successful track athlete or someone like that.

If we're talking greatest in terms of physical abilities alone, how could MJ or someone else beat out the guy who set the world record for 100 meter dash, or the world record for the hight jump?

I disagree, in track and field they are training their entire lives to do one thing well, many track and field stars have attempted to play other pro sports and failed, it takes more than just pure speed or jumping ability to be a great athlete, you need the total package: speed,strength,endurance,hand eye coordination, and heart.

Can Usain Bolt dribble past three defenders, jump 3 foot in the air and knock down a game winning basket at the buzzer under pressure just because he can run 100m faster than anyone else, sorry one skill doesn't cut it.
 
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The Baseline

Professional
I disagree, in track and field they are training their entire lives to do one thing well, many track and field stars have attempted to play other pro sports and failed, it takes more than just pure speed or jumping ability to be a great athlete, you need the total package: speed,strength,endurance,hand eye coordination, and heart.

Lebron James has to be the best in the world today. Of all time I think Bo Jackson, Maradona, and Lebron are sitting there
 
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NADALbULLS

Banned
Federer isn't athletic compared to Ali, Jordan, LeBron James and many Track and Field athletes, basketball players, soccer players and boxers.
 

The Baseline

Professional
I changed my mind. I honestly think Vince Carter is the greatest pure athlete of all time. People will say, "hey he didnt do anything, didnt win," but based on pure athleticism--jumping, running, hand eye coordination all of that.
watch this video if you dont believe me--he was head and heels more "athletic" than jordan but never had the mental ability jordan had.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSmzkJF7Ons&feature=related
 

Lsmkenpo

Hall of Fame
I changed my mind. I honestly think Vince Carter is the greatest pure athlete of all time. People will say, "hey he didnt do anything, didnt win," but based on pure athleticism--jumping, running, hand eye coordination all of that.
watch this video if you dont believe me--he was head and heels more "athletic" than jordan but never had the mental ability jordan had.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSmzkJF7Ons&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4duaU0ecIk&feature=related
 

Mr_Shiver

Semi-Pro
First what criteria are we using to define athletic greatness? Deciding that might even be harder than who the best athlete is. Now greatest tennis player? Yeah i can put aside my personal favorites and admit this. But when i think of great athletes i think of MJ, Bo Jackson, Ali, Babe Ruth, John Elway, Wayne Gretsky, etc... and thats only from sports i am familiar with. I thought ESPN did a good job on it's hundred greatest athletes of the century, well i guess its the last century now. Most underrated athletes: female pornstars. Think about it.
 
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piece

Professional
I changed my mind. I honestly think Vince Carter is the greatest pure athlete of all time. People will say, "hey he didnt do anything, didnt win," but based on pure athleticism--jumping, running, hand eye coordination all of that.
watch this video if you dont believe me--he was head and heels more "athletic" than jordan but never had the mental ability jordan had.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSmzkJF7Ons&feature=related

Jim Thorpe.
 
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