Is Wimbledon being dominated by clay courters ?

Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by fastdunn, Jun 13, 2007.

  1. fastdunn

    fastdunn Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2004
    Messages:
    6,294
    Last years final.
    Federer, #2 clay courter in the world.
    Nadal, #1 clay courter in the world (maybe in history).

    So Wimbledon is domonated by clay courters, right ?
    In fact, the whole tour is dominated by clay courters.

    This is era of clay courters ?
     
    #1
  2. Lionheart

    Lionheart Rookie

    Joined:
    May 9, 2007
    Messages:
    180
    Federer isnt only a clay courter, he is an all arounder, have you seen his volleys, he could serve and volley all the time if he wanted
     
    #2
  3. Taram_Nifas

    Taram_Nifas Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2005
    Messages:
    143
    I think, the terms "Clay Courter" and "Grass Courter" are being slightly overused. Or maybe some players just have enough game to transcend such titles.
     
    #3
  4. aramis

    aramis Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2005
    Messages:
    575
    Fed's forehand volley isn't that great.
     
    #4
  5. aramis

    aramis Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2005
    Messages:
    575
    There's almost no such thing as grass court or even clay court tennis nowadays. Everyone just plays their same brand of hardcourt baseline bashing game on every surface, and that includes Roger.
     
    #5
  6. jamumafa

    jamumafa Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2005
    Messages:
    709
    With Federer I would say he's a fastcourter who's good on clay, not a clay courter whos good on grass. Nadals a clay courter whos good on grass
     
    #6
  7. chris1992

    chris1992 Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    May 13, 2007
    Messages:
    435
    you can twist this ans say rolland garros is being won by grass players. nadal number 2 on grass...federer number 1??????? just a thought?
     
    #7
  8. Lleytian3

    Lleytian3 Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2006
    Messages:
    670
    Quoting from the great john mcenore, and even he would say this if he heard you say this

    you cannot be serious!

    I aint a federer worshiper, i dont even like federer, but excuse me if i am wrong, what part of federer's game is not great.
    if you need something to back this up, every single tournement fed goes into he is not only the favorite to win, he is expected to win because he is so good.

    to criticize fed's volleys is stupid, cuz federer is so good at the net, why do u think he repeatdly stated he wanted to win wimbledon serving and volleying
     
    #8
  9. aramis

    aramis Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2005
    Messages:
    575
    Woah, I'm not dissing Fed or anything; he's one of my few favorite players left in the game. I'm just saying that his technique on the forehand side could be better. He drops his wrist too much and doesn't seem to move into the volley as much as he does on the backhand side. There are quite a few players with much better fh volleys. I believe JMac himself has commented on this.
     
    #9
  10. tintin

    tintin Professional

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2007
    Messages:
    1,438
    Location:
    none of your damn business
    I'm sure you have Roddick in mind when it comes down to being great at volleying right?:rolleyes:
    hell maybe Roger should beg Andy to teach him how to hit proper volleys:roll::lol:
     
    #10
  11. federerfanatic

    federerfanatic Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2007
    Messages:
    3,046
    Clay is Federer's worst surface. That is why he doesnt win on clay and wins on everything else. Fastdunn is the only one who has this delusion he is a "clay courter" doing well on other surfaces. He is a dominant player on all non-clay surfaces still doing well on clay.
     
    #11
  12. caulcano

    caulcano Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2006
    Messages:
    1,637
    Well Federer doesn't win on clay because of Nadal (possibly the most dominate clay-courter ever).

    Hypothetically, if Nadal didn't exist, Federer would be dominate on all surfaces.
     
    #12
  13. rod99

    rod99 Professional

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2005
    Messages:
    1,197
    look, the wimbledon of today is NOT the wimbledon of pre-2002. the grass is much firmer and plays much more like a fast hard court than a grass court. there is a reason that federer served/volleyed throughout the match when he beat sampras in 2001 yet rarely does it now (except for a change of pace). as such, players like nadal/nalbandian/newitt have had great success at wimbledon since 2002. it wouldn't surprise me if nadal does win wimbledon one of these years without having to alter his game. it wouldn't be close to the same level of achievement as a baseliner like agassi or borg winning wimbledon. the grass courts were so much quicker back then.
     
    #13
  14. CyBorg

    CyBorg Legend

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2007
    Messages:
    5,544
    Location:
    Atlanta, GA
    Yes. This is the era of Tommy Robredo and David Ferrer.
    Bang on.
     
    #14
  15. federerfanatic

    federerfanatic Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2007
    Messages:
    3,046
    I dont remember the last time Federer lost to the likes of Volandri on hard courts, let alone in lopsided straight sets(losing to Murray or Canas is totally different then someone like Volandri). Federer's only loss to Gasquet in 6 matches was to on clay. I also dont think you would see Federer losing in straight sets at a grand slam to a diminished has been great like Kuerten anywhere but the French Open, as happened in 2004. You also would not see Federer losing 6 out of 7 matches to Nadal on any surface except clay. Yes clay is Federer's worst surface, and to call him a "clay courter" is a joke, but keep in mind the source of this thread.

    You are right that Federer would be somewhat dominant on clay but for Nadal, but that is more because of the lack of relative quality of the clay court field then Federer being so exceptional on clay.
     
    #15
  16. Swingin Richard

    Swingin Richard Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2006
    Messages:
    105
    Feds net game was brutal in the RG final
     
    #16
  17. rabidcow

    rabidcow Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2007
    Messages:
    739
    Absolutly because if we look back Roddick is definitly the best clay courter of all time and he has done quite well at Wimbledon.
     
    #17
  18. pj80

    pj80 Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2007
    Messages:
    491
    wimbledon is dominated by 3 man: fedex, pistol pete and borg. Top 3 of the goats
     
    #18
  19. fastdunn

    fastdunn Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2004
    Messages:
    6,294
    Yes, you can say that. The title of this thread does not exactly conflict with it. :)
     
    #19
  20. tricky

    tricky Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2006
    Messages:
    3,305
    I think Aramis is right. I've heard a number of people over at tennisplayer make this observation too about his FH volley. Ironically, his BH volley, the tougher one, is frigging awesome.
     
    #20
  21. JBlake27

    JBlake27 New User

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2007
    Messages:
    29
    It is not dominated by only clay courters, Roddick has made two finals and he has a great chance this year to make a run
     
    #21
  22. helloworld

    helloworld Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2006
    Messages:
    4,670
    Yeah he could but if he does that, he'd end up losing almost everytime. Yes, I've seen him as a serve and volleyer in his early career and it just didn't work...
     
    #22
  23. Big Fed

    Big Fed Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2006
    Messages:
    593
    Location:
    Lansing, Michigan
    First off Nadal isnt dominating Wimbly. He lucked out and got to one final. Second Federer isnt just a clay courter he good on all surfaces. Nadal isnt going farther then the Quarters this year.
     
    #23

Share This Page