Murray: Federer said Negative things about me

DoubleDeuce

Hall of Fame
He says I am confident I will beat him.

Well, we know who he is worried about, if Nadal's main problem is Murray, as he may have said, Murray is looking somewhere else:

I don't like what he says here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/jun/16/andy-murray-wimbledon-roger-federer


http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/jun/16/andy-murray-wimbledon-roger-federer
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I remember in 2007 (well before Murray's breakout) Federer was asked who the most promising young player other than Djokovic and Nadal was. He said Murray.
 

gj011

Banned
Murray is simply telling the truth. Federer is not a nice guy.

Early last year, after being beaten by Murray in Dubai, Federer criticised his opponent's "defensive" playing-style. But if the words had any effect on Murray, it was a positive one.

"A lot of the times I've beaten him he has said negative things about my game so it doesn't really bother me that much,"
 
Everyone says Murray plays too defensive sometimes, even his old coach said he does. It's not like Murray doesn't play a defensive style of tennis, does he?
 
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Jchurch

Guest
Murray is simply telling the truth. Federer is not a nice guy.

You're right. The fact that Federer routinely wins the best sportsmanship award is just a cover. He is truly a mean awful human.
 

malakas

Banned
that's out of the blue!Federer hasn't said anything lately-like in the last couple of years,that I know of!!!

What the heck???:confused:
 
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Jchurch

Guest
We'll have to see what happens at Wimbledon. So what if Federer said something about Murray's defensive playing style. It's not as though he made fun of Murray or said he will never make it.
 

malakas

Banned
Federer said a few days ago,that he thinks that Murray is one of the favourites for Wimby..He only said good words about him lately..
 
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Jchurch

Guest
I was typing my post as you were posting yours. Wasn't trying to dispute at all. I have never heard Federer make any rude remarks.
 

shadows

Legend
It's all just gearing up imo, it's like before the AO when Roger and Nole reacted to Andy being touted as a possible favourite despite his lack of GS success.

This time with all of them plausibly in contention it doesn't surprise me that these kind of things get brought up and bandied around, putting pressure on, taking pressure off, etc etc

The media will make of things what they want as well, you can obviously ask leading questions in an interview if you want to try get some comment on an area that might make for more juicy reading.
 
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*Gooch*

New User
You're right. The fact that Federer routinely wins the best sportsmanship award is just a cover. He is truly a mean awful human.

well considering the attention federer gets I dnt think he could cover it up that well. And hey, I would definitely not say he's an awful human.
 

_maxi

Banned
DoubleDeuce, you are not saying the things the way they are. Andy didn't say: "Federer said Negative things about me", he said: "Federer said Negative things about my game".

Its quite different. It's ok anyway, who cares.
 

35ft6

Legend
The thing about Nadal's knee preventing him from playing Wimbledon... I don't believe that for a second. I do believe something is wrong with his knee but I also think Uncle Toni is trying to relieve some of the pressure off Nadal. And Rafa will definitely be playing at Wimbledon.

Murray is definitely a favorite at Wimbledon. He's got great hands, great volleys, good serve that will be helped by the grass, and can flatten out his shots. If Wimbledon really wants to give him a shot, they'll speed the grass up a bit, at which point he and Fed alone will be the clear favorites.

If Tsonga gets hot, he could be a top 5 favorite also. It's going to be interesting to see how Del Potro performs. He's got a smooth, big serve, and can bludgeon the ball flat when he wants to. It's going to be a great tournament.
 
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joeri888

G.O.A.T.
Murray is simply telling the truth. Federer is not a nice guy.

I agree with the first part. Federer doesn't like Murray's game and it shows. I am with Federer of the opinion that Murray's game is way too defensive for my liking, yet I don't really like the fact that Federer has in the past said this one or two times too many. I'm not of the breed that will say everything Federer does is great. I like the fact that Fed is open and honest about a lot of things, but I think it's praiseworthy of Murray that he still always is very respectful towards Federer, and gives him a lot of credit, although Murray has beaten him so often. I think this h2h is key for Murray going into Wimbledon, though I would not rule out a straightsets win for Federer over Murray out either.

We'll see.. either way, I don't really like these kind of articles.. There's too much talk about Murray and too little real information. It's all hype an build-up. Let's just play tennis. Couldn't they write a big article like that about the Ordina Open this week instead of 20 articles about Murrie
 

Lotto

Professional
If Murray comes up against Roger at Wimbledon then he may bend over and kiss his arse goodbye out of the tournament. If it was the US Open, then yes, he has a GREAT chance at beating Roger, but Wimbledon? Please....Federer's lost one match in the last 5-6 years on grass and that was to an in-form, Rafa playing out of his skin and it was still 9-7 in the 5th. I give Murray no hope of beating Roger at Wimbledon.
 

roysid

Hall of Fame
Murray can beat Fed on hardcourts - in smaller tournaments.
In slams - it is tough, Fed raises his level.

In grass court, Murray is not that strong I believe.
 

Muzzafan

Rookie
Murray hasn't been a top contender for 12 months yet. I'm sure last year at the US open no one believed murray had a shot at getting to the final, becaused he hadn't done anything special before. Remeber anything can happen and murray has a better shot at fed than alot of players.
 

OTMPut

Hall of Fame
Fed is a gentlemen, but come on, I do certainly understand if Fed thinks Murray is a PITA:

1. Murray has beaten Fed 6 times.

Those six wins come in best of 3 set tournaments which no one remembers.

In majors, fed still leads 1-0. If he can beat fed in a major then i would accept that he is major title contender.

Meanwhile he can do all the talk, run 6x200 intervals, throw up, eat sushi and drink fruit shakes. Does not hurt anyone.
 

batz

G.O.A.T.
Those six wins come in best of 3 set tournaments which no one remembers.

In majors, fed still leads 1-0. If he can beat fed in a major then i would accept that he is major title contender.

Meanwhile he can do all the talk, run 6x200 intervals, throw up, eat sushi and drink fruit shakes. Does not hurt anyone.


And yet it bothered Fed enough that he was cursing on court in Doha and smashed his racket at Indian Wells. Strange behaviour for tournaments that don't count.

"I'm not bovvered. Do I look bovvered? No seriously, I'm not bovvered"
 

P_Agony

Banned
In that case, I hope they do meet at Wimbeldon. I think Federer can beat him, especially on grass and with pressure off of Federer. I don't really understand what Murray's problem with Fed though, Federer has often prasied Murray, calling him a great tactician, plus he called him his toughest matchup.
 

OTMPut

Hall of Fame
And yet it bothered Fed enough that he was cursing on court in Doha and smashed his racket at Indian Wells. Strange behaviour for tournaments that don't count.

"I'm not bovvered. Do I look bovvered? No seriously, I'm not bovvered"

The tournaments that matter are four - USO, Wimbledon, AO & RG.

Where curses heard and rackets broken are not that important unless they are one of the above. Strange behavior is certainly not an yard stick for tournament importance, fyi.

As i said, i would rather prefer Murray let his racket talk. We all know what happened in recent majors - Wimbledon '08, USO '08, AO '09 (where he was, laughably, the favorite!) and RG '09.

I have no special hatred towards him. He is a good tennis player for sure. Let him win a major and then we see.
 

batz

G.O.A.T.
The tournaments that matter are four - USO, Wimbledon, AO & RG.

Where curses heard and rackets broken are not that important unless they are one of the above. Strange behavior is certainly not an yard stick for tournament importance, fyi.

As i said, i would rather prefer Murray let his racket talk. We all know what happened in recent majors - Wimbledon '08, USO '08, AO '09 (where he was, laughably, the favorite!) and RG '09.

I have no special hatred towards him. He is a good tennis player for sure. Let him win a major and then we see.

Really - why do we bother with the others. Why not just have the four if they are all that matter? If they are as unimportant as you say, why wasn't Roger laughing about his losses in Doha and IW rather than cursing and smashing rackets? In fact, why does Roger even bother to turn up at these unimportant events?

Murray's last four slam results are QF, Final R4, and QF - aside from Rafa and Roger, whose slam results have been better these last 12 months? He's been seeded in the top 4 for just the last two events. He was ranked 11 at Wimbledon 08 and 6 at USO 08.

If we're sat here in a couple of year's time and Muray still hasn't won a slam then criticism will be warranted. He's about to start his 15th slam event - it took Roger 18 tries before he bagged a big one. Let's see what happens.
 

P_Agony

Banned

Well, to be honest, Federer didn't say anything wrong there IMO. He explained Murray's gameplane and afterwards said he was surprised he didn't change it. He said he couldn't understand how someone can continue playing like this for much longer, but Murray can surprise us all and do it.

He also called Murray (not in this article) a brilliant tactican and his toughest challenge ever (yes, even more than Nadal).
 

Muzzafan

Rookie
To be fair, federer didn't give much credit there basically saying it was his own mistakes. You can argue that if fed was playing his best then he would of won, which is probably true.

Murray always regards Fed as one of the greatest players of all time and I guess he feels Federer hasn't quite respected him back in the same way.
 

P_Agony

Banned
To be fair, federer didn't give much credit there basically saying it was his own mistakes. You can argue that if fed was playing his best then he would of won, which is probably true.

Murray always regards Fed as one of the greatest players of all time and I guess he feels Federer hasn't quite respected him back in the same way.

The funny thing is, I've seen many Fed articles where he praises Murray a lot. What bigger praise is there than to call him his greatest challenge? I think Fed was again very misunderstood in the article where he talks about Murray's game.
 

chess9

Hall of Fame
The thing about Nadal's knee preventing him from playing Wimbledon... I don't believe that for a second. I do believe something is wrong with his knee but I also think Uncle Toni is trying to relieve some of the pressure off Nadal. And Rafa will definitely be playing at Wimbledon.

Murray is definitely a favorite at Wimbledon. He's got great hands, great volleys, good serve that will be helped by the grass, and can flatten out his shots. If Wimbledon really wants to give him a shot, they'll speed the grass up a bit, at which point he and Fed alone will be the clear favorites.

If Tsonga gets hot, he could be a top 5 favorite also. It's going to be interesting to see how Del Potro performs. He's got a smooth, big serve, and can bludgeon the ball flat when he wants to. It's going to be a great tournament.

Yes, spot on!

-Robert
 

kOaMaster

Hall of Fame
I don't know how you guys see that, but as for me I think if Murray would play a little more aggressive and start to change his game a little bit, he could be the much greater tennis player than he is now?!
So Federer is not that wrong actually and I certainly don't think he does not want Murray to be a good player. Especially since he did like forever announced Murray as the upcoming next top player...
 

batz

G.O.A.T.
The funny thing is, I've seen many Fed articles where he praises Murray a lot. What bigger praise is there than to call him his greatest challenge? I think Fed was again very misunderstood in the article where he talks about Murray's game.

I think it boils down to this. Murray said after beating Roger at IW that 'there is more than one way to be in control of a match - if I'm putting the ball where I want it to go and I'm winning the match - then I'm in control - you don't need to be spraying winners all over the place to be in control'.

If you look at Roger's comments from last year - the implication is that Murray wasn't in control of the match becasue of the style of game he played against Roger- when Murray obviously feels that he was. I think Murray was also a bit annoyed that Roger seems to imply that this was the only way Murray can play - when I think Murray would argue he tailors his game to the guy at the other side of the net.

It's no big deal though - it just gives us fans somehting to talk about in the build up!:)

PS you are quite correct - Roger has also said some nice things about Andy - and vice versa.
 
Recently Federer said that Murray is the player he finds most difficult to play against. This was after Murray beat him 5 times in a row.

However Federer does have a tendency to deliver sour grapes types of comments when he loses which are designed to undermine the guy who beat him.
 

vtmike

Banned
In that case, I hope they do meet at Wimbeldon. I think Federer can beat him, especially on grass and with pressure off of Federer. I don't really understand what Murray's problem with Fed though, Federer has often prasied Murray, calling him a great tactician, plus he called him his toughest matchup.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/jan/09/roger-federer-andy-murray-tennis

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/jun/08/andy-murray-wimbledon-roger-federer

"He's a good player and really improved," said the world No2 about Murray. "He's more confident, more solid and more strong. It's what I would have expected from him but six months to a year earlier. It will be exciting."

"Andy Murray's best surface might be grass – I think he's playing excellent," Federer said.
 
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bolo

G.O.A.T.
Well, to be honest, Federer didn't say anything wrong there IMO. He explained Murray's gameplane and afterwards said he was surprised he didn't change it. He said he couldn't understand how someone can continue playing like this for much longer, but Murray can surprise us all and do it.

He also called Murray (not in this article) a brilliant tactican and his toughest challenge ever (yes, even more than Nadal).

It's basically a negative review of murray's game, regardless of how accurate it is.

He didn't say "murray can surprise us all and do it", he said murray "might surprise us all and do it". The key words being "might" and "surprise".
 

vtmike

Banned
I think both the Murray & Nadal camps are playing mind games here...Uncle Phony by over hyping Nadal's knee injury & Murray camp by trying to put pressure on Fed by making out of the blue comments...
 

malakas

Banned
I think both the Murray & Nadal camps are playing mind games here...Uncle Phony by over hyping Nadal's knee injury & Murray camp by trying to put pressure on Fed by making out of the blue comments...

but we all know who the real phony,arrogant and rude is!!
 

bolo

G.O.A.T.
I think both the Murray & Nadal camps are playing mind games here...Uncle Phony by over hyping Nadal's knee injury & Murray camp by trying to put pressure on Fed by making out of the blue comments...

why out of the blue? obviously the press asked him a question and he chose to answer.
 

P_Agony

Banned
I think it boils down to this. Murray said after beating Roger at IW that 'there is more than one way to be in control of a match - if I'm putting the ball where I want it to go and I'm winning the match - then I'm in control - you don't need to be spraying winners all over the place to be in control'.

If you look at Roger's comments from last year - the implication is that Murray wasn't in control of the match becasue of the style of game he played against Roger- when Murray obviously feels that he was. I think Murray was also a bit annoyed that Roger seems to imply that this was the only way Murray can play - when I think Murray would argue he tailors his game to the guy at the other side of the net.

It's no big deal though - it just gives us fans somehting to talk about in the build up!:)

PS you are quite correct - Roger has also said some nice things about Andy - and vice versa.

Well, I'm a Murray fan too among other players. True, Fed is my favorite, but I usually root for Murray in his matches against almost anyone. That's said, I think this IS Murray's style of play. It's not a bad thing, and I don't think Fed meant it as a bad thing, but rather he questioned whether Murray will be able to play that for a long time, since this style is harder on the body.

Plus, having watched many Murray matches over the years, I do think he is not very comfortable with the aggressive style of play. He often goes back playing defense because he's more comfortable like that. I'm not sure he has the tools to be agressive as well. Sure, he has the serve, but his strokes aren't as powerful as most other players IMO. The beauty in Murray's game is that he is a great thinker. He knows, most times, to hit the right shot at the right moment.

In the Nadal/Murray match in Monte Carlo, Murray tried to play Nadal's game in the 1st set. It was a total failure. He tried to hit moonballs to Nadal trying to force errors. By now, Murray should know that the only way to play Nadal is being aggressive. Murray did became more aggressive in the 2nd set of that match, but it was too little too late.

So yes, Murray's defensive tactics work wonders against Federer. However, I'm not sure Murray will do as well against other players who are not as easily frustrated. I think the loss at RG is a direct result of that tactic. If Murray does change his tactics against certain players, and keeps his game more efficient I think he'll be even more successful. Beating Fed is not the only goal out there - you actually want to win a slam too, and so far I'm not yet convinced Murray can do it.
 
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vtmike

Banned
why out of the blue? obviously the press asked him a question and he chose to answer.

Well I am not too sure about that...I mean all this time Murray was saying his H2H does not mean much as he hasn't beaten him in slams etc...and now suddenly hes had a change in attitude...I might be wrong...maybe he is just trying to build up his confidence...

but I am sure about Uncle Phony though...I think he is over hyping Nadal's knee to take the attention off his RG loss to Soderling...
 

yellowoctopus

Professional
The thing about Nadal's knee preventing him from playing Wimbledon... I don't believe that for a second. I do believe something is wrong with his knee but I also think Uncle Toni is trying to relieve some of the pressure off Nadal. And Rafa will definitely be playing at Wimbledon.

I'm glad you have the courage to say this--I too have a hard time buying this.
 

Thrasher

Rookie
You're right. The fact that Federer routinely wins the best sportsmanship award is just a cover. He is truly a mean awful human.

Have you got any proof to back that up? Let's see all the evidence that suggest he is, and that might give some credibility to what your saying. Calling him an awful human being is pretty shallow.
 

P_Agony

Banned
Have you got any proof to back that up? Let's see all the evidence that suggest he is, and that might give some credibility to what your saying. Calling him an awful human being is pretty shallow.

Hmm...it's probably not a very safe bet, but I'm pretty sure the guy was just being saracastic.
 

vtmike

Banned
Have you got any proof to back that up? Let's see all the evidence that suggest he is, and that might give some credibility to what your saying. Calling him an awful human being is pretty shallow.

I think Jchurch's post was a sarcastic reponse to gj011...

Murray is simply telling the truth. Federer is not a nice guy.

You're right. The fact that Federer routinely wins the best sportsmanship award is just a cover. He is truly a mean awful human.
 

Clydey2times

Hall of Fame
I posted this on MTF last night.

It's the media again. I read a bunch of different articles that covered the same interview. Each one of them reported his comments differently. His words have clearly been twisted to some extent.
 

Clydey2times

Hall of Fame
Well, I'm a Murray fan too among other players. True, Fed is my favorite, but I usually root for Murray in his matches against almost anyone. That's said, I think this IS Murray's style of play. It's not a bad thing, and I don't think Fed meant it as a bad thing, but rather he questioned whether Murray will be able to play that for a long time, since this style is harder on the body.

Plus, having watched many Murray matches over the years, I do think he is not very comfortable with the aggressive style of play. He often goes back playing defense because he's more comfortable like that. I'm not sure he has the tools to be agressive as well. Sure, he has the serve, but his strokes aren't as powerful as most other players IMO. The beauty in Murray's game is that he is a great thinker. He knows, most times, to hit the right shot at the right moment.

In the Nadal/Murray match in Monte Carlo, Murray tried to play Nadal's game in the 1st set. It was a total failure. He tried to hit moonballs to Nadal trying to force errors. By now, Murray should know that the only way to play Nadal is being aggressive. Murray did became more aggressive in the 2nd set of that match, but it was too little too late.

So yes, Murray's defensive tactics work wonders against Federer. However, I'm not sure Murray will do as well against other players who are not as easily frustrated. I think the loss at RG is a direct result of that tactic. If Murray does change his tactics against certain players, and keeps his game more efficient I think he'll be even more successful. Beating Fed is not the only goal out there - you actually want to win a slam too, and so far I'm not yet convinced Murray can do it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOB6MJvjH9U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOB6MJvjH9U
 
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