Nadal has to play WTF

[FiReFTW]

Im tired of him always lucking out somehow and avoiding Federer in all the best surfaces for Federer throughout his career, and even Djokovic aswell alltho not to that extent.

Always when both Djokovic or Federer were in great form, or when the tournament was somewhere that suited them best, Nadal somehow lost before or got "injured", but never got "injured" on clay for some reason.

Federer-Nadal

Meetings on best surfaces for Roger (Fast AO post17,USO,WIM,Shanghai,WTF,Cincinnati,Basel): 12
Meetings on best surfaces for Rafa (FO, Slow AO pre17, Miami,MC,Hamburg,IW,Rome) : 25


Djokovic-Nadal

Meetings on best surfaces for Djokovic (AO,Canada,Paris,Cincinnati,Shanghai,Miami,IW) : 12
Meetings on best surfaces for Rafa (FO,MC,Madrid,Rome) : 22

 

[kevaninho]

Wow, someone else bitter towards Nadal. What is it with you guys that gets you so upset about Nadal?

 

[FiReFTW]

Wow, someone else bitter towards Nadal. What is it with you guys that gets you so upset about Nadal?

Why bitter, I like Nadal, hes a great champion and great fighter, and the top 3 best player in history.

I just think it sucks that he always somehow avoids Federer and Djokovic at their best surfaces and/or when they are in great form.

Im not saying he does it on purpose, it just seems to happen way too often for some reason.

 

[Pheasant]

Come on, folks. Nadal is not afraid of anybody. I've never bought into this "ducking" business. If Nadal really was a ducker, then he would have avoided Fed at Wimbledon from 2006-2008, Fed at the 2009 AO, and especially Fed at Shanghai 2017 after Fed swept him in straight sets at IW and especially Miami. I don't think anybody gave Nadal much of a chance at the the relative fast surface of Shanghai, knowing that Fed clobbered Nadal in Miami, a much slower surface. However, I still gave Nadal a solid chance at beating Fed in Shanghai last year. Nadal can be extremely dangerous at any time. A healthy Nadal will happily battle anybody on any surface. Nadal lacks the consistency of Fed and Djoker away from clay. But when he's clicking, he can beat either one of those guys on their favorite surfaces. Nadal is unique in that his peak game on any surface is incredible. To me, Nadal hit the highest peak, when all surfaces are considered. His problem is that his peaks didn't last long enough.

 

[kevaninho]

Why bitter, I like Nadal, hes a great champion and great fighter, and the top 3 best player in history.

I just think it sucks that he always somehow avoids Federer and Djokovic at their best surfaces and/or when they are in great form.

Im not saying he does it on purpose, it just seems to happen way too often for some reason.

Claiming that hes always lucking out, or avoiding Fed or Nole, sounds bitter to me.
I guess you forget 2015-16 when Djokovic was arguably having the greatest run in tennis history, and Nadal showed up at his worst and took major beatings off of him consecutively.

 

[kevaninho]

Come on, folks. Nadal is not afraid of anybody. I've never bought into this "ducking" business. If Nadal really was a ducker, then he would have avoided Fed at Wimbledon from 2006-2008, Fed at the 2009 AO, and especially Fed at Shanghai 2017 after Fed swept him in straight sets at IW and especially Miami. I don't think anybody gave Nadal much of a chance at the the relative fast surface of Shanghai, knowing that Fed clobbered Nadal in Miami, a much slower surface. However, I still gave Nadal a solid chance at beating Fed in Shanghai last year. Nadal can be extremely dangerous at any time. A healthy Nadal will happily battle anybody on any surface. Nadal lacks the consistency of Fed and Djoker away from clay. But when he's clicking, he can beat either one of those guys on their favorite surfaces. Nadal is unique in that his peak game on any surface is incredible. To me, Nadal hit the highest peak, when all surfaces are considered. His problem is that his peaks didn't last long enough.

Exactly. Its not in his nature to duck anyone. If anything he loves the challenge of playing the best versions of Djokovic and Federer.
I would imagine its the same for Fed and Djoker also. These guys are the best because they rise to occasions, not cos they get scared if their opponents are in good form.

 

[FiReFTW]

I never said hes ducking or that its intentional, but for some odd reason it seems to happen extremely often on Fed/Djoko's best surfaces or when they are in excellent form, he gets injured or loses in early rounds, but never seems to happen on Clay.

 

[Sport]

Meetings on best surfaces for Rafa (FO, Slow AO pre17, Miami,MC,Hamburg,IW,Rome) : 25

What the...? Federer is a much better hard court player than Nadal. Federer won 4 AO before 2017 so your comment makes no sense. Federer has 11 Grand Slams on hard courts, Nadal 4.

 

[Fedeonic]

Im tired of him always lucking out somehow and avoiding Federer in all the best surfaces for Federer throughout his career, and even Djokovic aswell alltho not to that extent.

Always when both Djokovic or Federer were in great form, or when the tournament was somewhere that suited them best, Nadal somehow lost before or got "injured", but never got "injured" on clay for some reason.

Federer-Nadal

Meetings on best surfaces for Roger (Fast AO post17,USO,WIM,Shanghai,WTF,Cincinnati,Basel): 12
Meetings on best surfaces for Rafa (FO, Slow AO pre17, Miami,MC,Hamburg,IW,Rome) : 25


Djokovic-Nadal

Meetings on best surfaces for Djokovic (AO,Canada,Paris,Cincinnati,Shanghai,Miami,IW) : 12
Meetings on best surfaces for Rafa (FO,MC,Madrid,Rome) : 22

I agree completely with you, but these are the real numbers, These numbers aren't right at all:

Federer-Nadal:
On Nadal's favourable conditions (Aus Open, Indian Wells, Miami, Montecarlo, Madrid/Hamburg, Rome, Roland Garros): 26 (Nadal 19-7 Federer).
On Federer's favourable conditions (Dubai, Wimbledon, Cincinnati, Shanghai, Basel, Masters): 12 (Federer 8-4 Nadal)

Nadal-Djokovic:
On Nadal's favourable conditions (Montecarlo, Madrid/Hamburg, Rome, Roland Garros + 1 DC on clay): 23 (Nadal 16-7 Djokovic)
On Djokovic's favourable conditions (Aus Open, Indian Wells, Miami, Canada, Cincinnati, US Open, Beijing, Paris, Masters): 25 (Djokovic 18-7 Nadal)
On neutral conditions (Queen's, Wimbledon): 4 (tied 2-2).

 

[Sport]

Im tired of him always lucking out somehow and avoiding Federer inthe best surfaces for Federer

Federer on clay:

 

[Sport]

I agree completely with you, but these are the real numbers, These numbers aren't right at all:

Federer-Nadal:
On Nadal's favourable conditions (Aus Open, Indian Wells, Miami).

How can some Federer fans be so unobjective? In which universe is AO or hard court in general favorable to Nadal? Is that your excuse to justify Federer's losses against Nadal? Please cry more. It is soooo funny.

Federer is a much better hard court player than Nadal. Federer has won 6 AO and Nadal only 1 AO. Federer has 11 Grand Slams on hard courts, Nadal 4.

 

[tennis_pro]

Federer on clay:

This is also a 5 years younger Nadal outside of clay lmao

 

[Fedeonic]

How some Federer fans be so unobjective? In which universe is AO or hard court in general favorable to Nadal? Is that your excuse to justify Federer's losses against Nadal? Please cry more. It is soooo funny.

Federer is a much better hard court player than Nadal. Federer has won 6 AO and Nadal only 1 AO. Federer has 11 Grand Slams on hard courts, Nadal 4.

The slowness of the courts, haven't you seen the CPI of Indian Wells and Miami? And that Nadal has just 1 Aus Open doesn't tell that he reached 4 other finals there, plus 4 more QF, or should I also remind you that Nadal's record on Indian Wells is 3 titles and a extra final? Or that in Miami, despite never winning the title has reached the final in no less than 5 times?

Maybe I could consider those courts as neutral because their record is well balanced there: Federer 5-6 Nadal in the slow HC tournaments.

 

[ChrisRF]

I agree completely with you, but these are the real numbers, These numbers aren't right at all:

Federer-Nadal:
On Nadal's favourable conditions (Aus Open, Indian Wells, Miami, Montecarlo, Madrid/Hamburg, Rome, Roland Garros): 26 (Nadal 19-7 Federer).
On Federer's favourable conditions (Dubai, Wimbledon, Cincinnati, Shanghai, Basel, Masters): 12 (Federer 8-4 Nadal)

How can Australian Open and Miami be Nadal’s conditions? Nadal has won 1 Australian Open and 0 Miami titles (Federer 6 and 3). Honestly, there is no excuse for Federer on those courts, and I have no problem to admit that as a big Federer fan.

Nadal has a general matchup advantage, but the surface advantage is only on clay.

 

[Sport]

Translation = OP is angry because he wanted Federer to surpass Nadal in the H2H by means of avoiding the clay season in the following years.

Realistic scenario = Nadal should not go to the ATP finals unless he is fully recovered. Last year he forced his entrance in the ATP finals with a knee injury, and ended up in a bad condition for the AO.

 

[nolefam_2024]

How some Federer fans be so unobjective? In which universe is AO or hard court in general favorable to Nadal? Is that your excuse to justify Federer's losses against Nadal? Please cry more. It is soooo funny.

Federer is a much better hard court player than Nadal. Federer has won 6 AO and Nadal only 1 AO. Federer has 11 Grand Slams on hard courts, Nadal 4.

you are right, that 23-15 didn't come out of nowhere.

fed lost to Nadal 3 times, freaking 3 times before finally being able to beat him. and he is 6 time champ there. Nadal outperformed him h2h which many are ignoring.

 

[SuperSpinner]

Why shouldn't Fed avoid clay? Nadal avoided Fed for most of his peak. Gotta play the same sly Nadal strategy to unskew the H2H.

 

[oldmanfan]

Federer on clay:

Strawman.

Years on tour upto 2017 clay:
Federer: 19yrs
Nadal: 16yrs
Djokovic: 14yrs
Murray: 12yrs

Upto 2017, Nadal played 3 yrs less on tour, yet took multiple long injury breaks (real or not doesn't matter). Federer? None.

If you want to be fair, then compared to Federer's 2017, use Nadal's 2020, Djokovic's 2022, Murray's 2024.