Nadal is 100% ready to retire BUT...

Mike Sams

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Holmes said:
Federer's retirement already is forgotten, or so his fans hope. Going out on a bagel on Center Court as your last professional singles match and losing your last match ever period after holding match point on serve has got to be one of, if not, the worst retirement for an ATG
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Every player who retires is forgotten by the end of the week. It shows that nobody is that important. The game moves on quickly. It's a young man's game. It's obvious that even without Nadal and Djokovic and Federer around, it hasn't made a dent in the overall attendance. People are coming out in droves to watch tennis. Nobody cares about the big 3 or big 2 or whatever.
 
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joshuayuan

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initialize said:
... Fed's retirement just happened and is too fresh on people's minds.

Nadal is slightly better at hiding it than Djokovic, but Nadal definitely wants all the attention on him when he waves goodbye. He knows if he retired now, people would forget about it fast since Fed is still on everyone's minds.

Fed had the luxury of retiring anywhere he wanted -- London, Basel, the USA, etc -- and he would get a standing ovation wherever he chose.

Nadal unfortunately HAS to retire at a tournament in Spain. And likewise Djokovic in Serbia. If they retire anywhere else, they'll feel like they won't get the attention they think they deserve.

This is why Nadal is delaying his retirement. He's taking a massive gamble with this decision though -- he knows the longer he delays his retirement, the more likely he'll be losing to more and more mugs on the tennis court. But he made this choice to try to get more attention for his retirement ceremony.
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The retirement match:

Wildcard Dustin Brown vs Nadal

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Halba

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Some delusional fans on here.
Nadals not coming back.
Final match irrelevant. Feds final match was hurkacz yet he retired.
This is basic knowledge of sports science
Not with a hip injury, at 37. Murray had a hip injury but at much younger age.
 
Halba

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Meaningless. People have already moved on from Rafa. Hip injury is career ending at 37
 
legcramp

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No one but haters remember Federer's retirement as going out on a bagel to Hurkaz. They remember his beautiful game and 20 freaking slams.
 
Holmes

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legcramp said:
No one but haters remember Federer's retirement as going out on a bagel to Hurkaz. They remember his beautiful game and 20 freaking slams.
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Retirement is part of the career, and sometimes the most memorable (Sampras, Agassi). Going out on a bagel at Wimbledon is just part of the beautiful, inspired package that is Roger Federer's career.
 
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I think its safe to say Federer is a total non-factor in Nadal's decision, especially since the Roland Garros Olympics are 2024, so there was never any chance of Nadal retiring in 2023 :-D
 
Razer

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Holmes said:
Retirement is part of the career, and sometimes the most memorable (Sampras, Agassi). Going out on a bagel at Wimbledon is just part of the beautiful, inspired package that is Roger Federer's career.
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I am not a huge fan of retiring when we have won a slam, because that leads to regrets later on, we keep wondering if we left some slams on the table ? So it is better to retire like Serena did at USO when she finally knew that she could not compete with young girls. The disturbing thing about Federer's retirement is that he retired at a circus, a great competitor for 24 years retiring at a stage meant for charlatans/ tennis exhibitionists, it is a very bad way to go.
 
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NAS

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Rosstour said:
His knee literally gave out in the match lol. And yeah obviously rankings aren't relevant to you, because looking at rankings wouldn't make Fed look terrible.
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To be fair Fed ranking was because of Covid, Fed would be unseeded if not for covid, Fed didn't played single match till one year and played only 9-10 match before the start of Wimbledon 21.
Rafa is also moving to same place, if he skipped RG, he will be unseeded for further slam
 
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NAS said:
To be fair Fed ranking was because of Covid, Fed would be unseeded if not for covid, Fed didn't played single match till one year and played only 9-10 match before the start of Wimbledon 21.
Rafa is also moving to same place, if he skipped RG, he will be unseeded for further slam
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He’ll get a WC wherever he wants tho.

Rightfully so.
 
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Federev said:
He’ll get a WC wherever he wants tho.

Rightfully so.
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Of course but I think his ranking will still be sufficient for him getting a direct entry into Wimbledon, but if he don't play Wimbledon then he will need WC for further events
 
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Holmes said:
Federer's retirement already is forgotten, or so his fans hope. Going out on a bagel on Center Court as your last professional singles match and losing your last match ever period after holding match point on serve has got to be one of, if not, the worst retirement for an ATG
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Just wait may be Nadal has even worst. Losing a doubles in an exhibition is not that bad.

You might rafa fan so it is hard for you to digest. He is not as popular as Federer outside Spain.
 
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Holmes said:
Rankings aren't really relevant. Going out on a bagel at your best slam and following it up losing your last ever pro match after holding match point on serve can't be rosetinted. It's a far worse exit than Lendl's.
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Lol comeback here when your idol plays a slam QF at 40 years. Then we will see.

Nadal was straight setted by Steve darcis at his peak in 1st round. That is more embarrassing than Fed getting bageled at 40 with career ending injury.
 
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initialize said:
... Fed's retirement just happened and is too fresh on people's minds.

Nadal is slightly better at hiding it than Djokovic, but Nadal definitely wants all the attention on him when he waves goodbye. He knows if he retired now, people would forget about it fast since Fed is still on everyone's minds.

Fed had the luxury of retiring anywhere he wanted -- London, Basel, the USA, etc -- and he would get a standing ovation wherever he chose.

Nadal unfortunately HAS to retire at a tournament in Spain. And likewise Djokovic in Serbia. If they retire anywhere else, they'll feel like they won't get the attention they think they deserve.

This is why Nadal is delaying his retirement. He's taking a massive gamble with this decision though -- he knows the longer he delays his retirement, the more likely he'll be losing to more and more mugs on the tennis court. But he made this choice to try to get more attention for his retirement ceremony.
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Your Fed worship is laughable. You should be happy Nadal gave him a perfect farewell party.
 
Indigo

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Nadal has rich life surrounded by his wife and kid even without tennis courts. I believe he thinks less about many things posters here are being obsessed about. I am sure he will have amazing retirement ceremeny because he was one of the most loved and accomplished players on tour. After all he is one of the best players ever. His retirement ceremony doesn't have to come immediately. It can happen in two years time or so I believe. He will probably try to comeback again if he's not having serious injury like hip injury. But even if he comes back and meets Alcaraz on clay I think he will be defeated because Alcaraz is young and healthy with very lethal playing style. Also, it's such a huge age difference because Nadal is very very old in tennis terms while Alcaraz is 20 years old young potent male. In any case, Nadal's retirement will happen sooner or later but is imminent.
 
Aestheticsaboveallelse

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Holmes said:
Federer's retirement already is forgotten, or so his fans hope. Going out on a bagel on Center Court as your last professional singles match and losing your last match ever period after holding match point on serve has got to be one of, if not, the worst retirement for an ATG
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Oh, you didn't know that was because he tried to come back with a severe crippling knee injury that forced him to retire? Thats actually credit to him for trying with a huge injury past 40 yrs old
 
Holmes

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Razer said:
I am not a huge fan of retiring when we have won a slam, because that leads to regrets later on, we keep wondering if we left some slams on the table ? So it is better to retire like Serena did at USO when she finally knew that she could not compete with young girls. The disturbing thing about Federer's retirement is that he retired at a circus, a great competitor for 24 years retiring at a stage meant for charlatans/ tennis exhibitionists, it is a very bad way to go.
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Pete knew it was time to move on. He had no more motivation, in his words, "I had nothing left to prove to myself."
 
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Mike Sams said:
Every player who retires is forgotten by the end of the week. It shows that nobody is that important. The game moves on quickly. It's a young man's game. It's obvious that even without Nadal and Djokovic and Federer around, it hasn't made a dent in the overall attendance. People are coming out in droves to watch tennis. Nobody cares about the big 3 or big 2 or whatever.
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What's depressing is how true this is in almost all areas of life. Somebody quits/retires/dies/leaves the limelight and within a few months nobody cares.
 
Unseeded Player

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Holmes said:
Federer's retirement already is forgotten, or so his fans hope. Going out on a bagel on Center Court as your last professional singles match and losing your last match ever period after holding match point on serve has got to be one of, if not, the worst retirement for an ATG
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I am sure he would retire if he had won WB19. After that he wasn't important factor on the court anymore. We saw him at small number of tournaments since AO20 and people were get used to a fact that he is not playing.
 
Holmes

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ffw2 said:
What's your theory about all of the hardcore Fred-haters in this joint?
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The names. Baghdatis, Philippoussis, Papadopoulis, Srichaphan, Hewitt, Roddick...it sounds like a Dr. Seuss book. Except it's real and their quality is equally silly.
 
initialize

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Holmes said:
The names. Baghdatis, Philippoussis, Papadopoulis, Srichaphan, Hewitt, Roddick...it sounds like a Dr. Seuss book. Except it's real and their quality is equally silly.
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I'd hate for you to watch the current crop of players then if you think they're bad :-D
 
Mike Sams

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artdeco said:
What's depressing is how true this is in almost all areas of life. Somebody quits/retires/dies/leaves the limelight and within a few months nobody cares.
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Exactly. It's a "what have you done for me lately" mentality. It's all about the here and now.
 
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Rosstour said:
Lolz, for sure. He didn't win one match!

Fed made 4R at the French and QF at Wimbledon. That's a good result for any player let alone one who you rate so low
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I put Federer anywhere between 5 and 7 in the Open Era. Pretty high.
 
DSH

DSH

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Rosstour said:
Lolz, for sure. He didn't win one match!

Fed made 4R at the French and QF at Wimbledon. That's a good result for any player let alone one who you rate so low
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Helped by the ATP that gave him a high ranking in both Majors tournaments.
:whistle:
 
Rosstour

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Holmes said:
Fascinating perspective. Please explain, I'm always looking to learn.
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If Fed is really as low on the list as you and others have argued, then any wins over Nadal and Djoker are to be celebrated as overperformances.

Saying he's a choker/mental midget in fact validates the premise that he was a better player than them and so his losses to them are underperformances.
 
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initialize said:
Lol I just remembered this thread. I 100% predicted it :-D
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You predicted his retirement but surely have no evidence regarding the second part of your "prediction" - the intention, which you conveniently made up by projecting your fragile ego onto him

Just look at the replies. When the crowds are overwhelmingly against you you shamelessly come back and say you made a correct "prediction" when you still have no inkling of a proof of what his intention is.

Just shameless.
 
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