Nadal vs Davydenko (Shanghai Final 2009)
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Bud
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Bud
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Perhaps, they'll both retire... :-?
Miami last year davydenko really destroyed nadal. Nadal tried to play closer to the baseline and get more aggressive with the backhand but he ended up making more errors. Overall the wall that is davydenko was too much.
But I thought by paris last year that nadal's game on hard courts had improved to the point where he could beat davy (55/45 maybe). Nadal's hard court game has taken a step back now, but davydeko has had some injury issues as well.
I think iit's 50/50 right now and it will be close, but nadal will take it.
Vamos,
But I thought by paris last year that nadal's game on hard courts had improved to the point where he could beat davy (55/45 maybe). Nadal's hard court game has taken a step back now, but davydeko has had some injury issues as well.
I think iit's 50/50 right now and it will be close, but nadal will take it.
Vamos,
Cesc Fabregas
Legend
Good preparation for the Aussie Open for Nadal, this court is similar to Melbourne imo, maybe a tad slower.
Bud
Bionic Poster
Agreed... a tad slower and bounces a bit higher. The commentators were remarking about the rough top coat, earlier during the match Nadal/Lopez match. There must be a ton of sand in it to slow it down.
I think these extremely slow hard courts are the toughest surfaces on the body because they have great grip, no give and don't allow any sliding whatsoever.
Cesc Fabregas
Legend
Nadal needs to mess with Davydenko's rythm, he obviously needs to playing agressive, a few balls over Denko's shoulders, short slices to bring him off the baseline and maybe incorporate the drop shot aswell.
Bud
Bionic Poster
Yup... Davydenko thrives on the rhythm and pace of his opponents.
He gets into a groove and is like a hitting machine!
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Serendipitous
Guest
Nadal in 0...
Bud
Bionic Poster
Option 3... nobody wins? :shock:
namelessone
Legend
Very tough match up for Nadal considering Davydenko is one of the few guys that could hang with Nadal from the baseline even when Nadal was in form,nevermind the mediocre things we have seen from Rafa this week.
I've seen a lot of commenting done on Davy's condition and if will he be fresh for tomorrow. Apparently the russian is at a disadvantage because he played longer but I tend to disagree.Although it will be tough for him to recuperate,he at least has a rhythm and survived some tough moments against djoker,he has more match play and against tougher opponents. Nadal is better rested but has basically no rhythm. His only tough match was with blake and he benefited from 2 retirements. We can safely say that Nadal hasn't played a match since his match with robredo. He has basically played 2 sets against ljubicic and that's it,because those phony sets with one-leg Lopez don't count,it might as well have been a practice session and not a good one at that.
Nadal can beat Davydenko if he runs him around a lot and doesn't give him any rhythm. Perhaps some Davy fans will get upset at me but I felt djoker beat himself today. He lead this match most of the time but had the same brain fart as in the simon match and this time paid for it. He allowed davydenko back in the game and couldn't stay strong in the deciding moments of the match.
Nadal needs to slice a lot and try to attack davydenko.Right now the russian is playing better than Nadal from the baseline.
Rafa in three hopefully.
I've seen a lot of commenting done on Davy's condition and if will he be fresh for tomorrow. Apparently the russian is at a disadvantage because he played longer but I tend to disagree.Although it will be tough for him to recuperate,he at least has a rhythm and survived some tough moments against djoker,he has more match play and against tougher opponents. Nadal is better rested but has basically no rhythm. His only tough match was with blake and he benefited from 2 retirements. We can safely say that Nadal hasn't played a match since his match with robredo. He has basically played 2 sets against ljubicic and that's it,because those phony sets with one-leg Lopez don't count,it might as well have been a practice session and not a good one at that.
Nadal can beat Davydenko if he runs him around a lot and doesn't give him any rhythm. Perhaps some Davy fans will get upset at me but I felt djoker beat himself today. He lead this match most of the time but had the same brain fart as in the simon match and this time paid for it. He allowed davydenko back in the game and couldn't stay strong in the deciding moments of the match.
Nadal needs to slice a lot and try to attack davydenko.Right now the russian is playing better than Nadal from the baseline.
Rafa in three hopefully.
Bud
Bionic Poster
H2H Nadal vs Davydenko
H2H Nadal vs Davydenko
H2H Stats - Nadal vs Davydenko (their stats are very similar!)
H2H Nadal vs Davydenko
H2H Stats - Nadal vs Davydenko (their stats are very similar!)
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vive le beau jeu !
Talk Tennis Guru
hopefuly davy in 2, 1 or 0.
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Bud
Bionic Poster
That would be something if he did end up retiring... that would have to be some sort of record.
IvanAndreevich
Legend
I'm thinking it will be a 3 setter. I think Kolya will win.
UsualSuspect
Banned
I hope Davydenko wins. I am a big fan of his game and he always falls short in the big matches. When he plays his best, he can do damage to anyone. He has given Federer and Nadal some tough matches in the past.
lambielspins
Banned
Flip a coin. I think this one is a 50/50. I dont think Davydenko will be that fatigued though, and I do think if he plays very well and holds it together mentally (a big if for him) he will win.
Bud
Bionic Poster
I'm going 60/40 Nadal
If Nadal comes out playing well, which is 50% of the time lately, then I give the edge to Nadal.
If the reverse is true, Davydenko in straight sets.
TheFifthSet
Legend
Davydenko has pretty good results against Nadal on HC.
I'll say Davydenko in straight sets.
I'll say Davydenko in straight sets.
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SerbWhoLovesDelPo
Guest
Davydenko is 2-1 with Nadal on hardcourts. Last year he crushed Rafa in Miami, and won in Paris by retirement.
He has a chance if he's not too tired. He definitely deserves it more than Rafa.
Still, I expect Nadal to win somehow.
He has a chance if he's not too tired. He definitely deserves it more than Rafa.
Still, I expect Nadal to win somehow.
Cesc Fabregas
Legend
Djokovic played like trash today and nearly beat Davydenko, geesh Davydenko is being overrated. I say Nadal in 2.
Everytime Nadal has come up against a true quality opponent on hard courts since his return to the tour (I am not talking Monfils caliber) he has looked like thrash and struggled to even win games, never mind a set. I dont see anything about his play this weak that suggests he has suddenly got alot better, struggling past a past his prime Blake and old geezer Ljubicic.
Cesc Fabregas
Legend
Ok lets have a bet. If Davydenko wins I put 'Im a clown, Federer >>>> Sampras flying24' is king on my signature, if Nadal wins you do the same but with Sampras >>>> Federer and Cesc is king, deal? This applys to anyone else if Flying24 rejects my proposal.
statto
Professional
Who are you talking about if Monfils calibre players don't count? Djokovic struggled past Simon, yet most people would rate him as the best HC player in the tournament (most people thought he was going to win it).
You're disrespecting Blake, who played pretty well, I thought.
The sad thing is that Nadal is in a lose/lose position on these forums because if he wins tomorrow everyone will say it's because Davydenko is tired (even if he runs around like a man possessed), and if he loses people will say how he's useless on HC, even though he's won a slam and a masters on HC this season.
IvanAndreevich
Legend
2008 - Nadal playing some of his best tennis on HC. Better than right now. Davy was playing better in Miami too, though.
statto
Professional
Up until this week he hadn't made it past the quarters at a single HC slam, masters or ATP500 event this season. How has he been untouchable?
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cuddles26
Banned
He probably means players that are better than Monfils on a hard court which would be atleast 15 or 20 probably. After all Monfils is a clay courter who isnt really top 10 calibre yet (though he has been there for blips) who once in a blue moon makes the round of 16 in a hard court slam. Anyway arent you the one who made that crazy predition of Nadal winning 14 slams and 4 Wimbledons. You must be seriously in love with Nadal so of course you will defend him in every thread like he is your own son.
cuddles26
Banned
I will take that bet. I dont like either Federer or Sampras so most of that sig isnt even a big deal for me anyway. Just replace the flying24 with cuddles26 part of it. I will see you tommorow.
Actually since I am a huge Serena fan and hate Henin I have an idea if you are interested. Lets make it for me if I lose "I'm a clown, Henin >>>> Serena and Cesc is king" if Nadal wins, and you have to have a "I'm a clown, Federer >>>> Sampras and cuddles26 is king" if Davydenko wins. Make my punishment worse if I lose since I dont really care about either Sampras or Federer enough on a support level to give a damn but having a Henin >>>> Serena sig for me would be torture.
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cuddles26
Banned
Davydenko is a much better player than Gonzalez. Just looking at their rankings, titles, and head to head. The played here this week and Davydenko pissed all over Gonzalez as usual. Gonzalez even lost to a soon to retire Safin last week, LOL! I dont get all the love for that mediocre one shot wonder on this forum.
Cesc Fabregas
Legend
Ok, your on.
cuddles26
Banned
Kewl see you back on here tommorow then. Just one detail to confirm. How long is the sig for, for the loser? A few months, a few weeks, a year, forever on this forum?
clayman2000
Hall of Fame
Rafa in 3.
He knows if he wins this that he has a legit chance of ending 2009 no 1. To know that he has a chance of ending no 1, despite only gaining 180 pts from his two best slams must give him confidence
He knows if he wins this that he has a legit chance of ending 2009 no 1. To know that he has a chance of ending no 1, despite only gaining 180 pts from his two best slams must give him confidence
Nevertheless gonzo counts as a "true quality opponent" who is more or less a top ten player and nadal has faced him since his return to the tour.
Cesc Fabregas
Legend
Hmmm lets say a month, deal?
cuddles26
Banned
Sure if your minimum standard of true quality player is a past his prime clown who hasnt even won a Masters title, been ranked in the top 5 for even a single week in his 10 year career, and can only hit one shot well, then maybe.
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SerbWhoLovesDelPo
Guest
Yeah, Nadal was better then. So Davydenko should probably win if he can repeat his form. But there are so many questions about Davy: is he tired? physically, mentally? will he choke?
cuddles26
Banned
Sounds good. Deal.
that's fine but gonzo has actually made a final in a hc major. has davydenko ever done that?
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