Nick Kyrgios needs to

[Red Rick]

Do what makes Nick Kyrgios happy.

It's quite obvious living like a saint and playing every match and training every day with full focus.


If Kyrgios wants to play 8 tournaments a year and tank the other 10 and he can still be top 30, that should be his right to do. It's not his fault the other's aren't good enough to score more points than he does. If he can clown around and still qualify for all the big tournaments, why shouldn't he be allowed to clown around? Semi-tanking happens an awful lot, and now we have one guy who's focus deficiency when off is just a bit bigger than anyone elses and is honest about it and everyone is up in arms.

Why is he receiving the amount of criticism he gets for not doing something that does not make him happy?

And don't come up with the 'then he should be flipping burgers' bullcrap, because that's just nothing to be able to get set for life while half assing something you have a love-hate relation with.

So what reason is there, but people having the neediness to take the moral high ground and having the need to feel better about themselves by judging something that's none of their business by having their own heads so far up their own asses they can vomit into their own vomit

So, who are we to judge?

 

[kingcheetah]

I think it's disrespectful to the fans that allow one to make a living playing a sport. He can tank and be happy, but don't expect anyone to support it. And it's disrespectful to the opponents if he chooses to enter tournaments and then tank. If you don't want to bring at least effort, skip it.

 

[Sysyphus]

Why is he receiving the amount of criticism he gets for not doing something that does not make him happy?

This is what I tell my boss when he gets mad at me when I don't bother coming to work certain days

 

[BeatlesFan]

I don't particularly "judge" Nick and of course he's free to do whatever he wants in life, but tanking impacts the sport and it impacts the paying customer. It's disrespecting both tennis and those who pay for their seats. I wish he'd get it together because he has way more natural talent than anyone else out there except Fed.

 

[Omega_7000]

Do what makes Nick Kyrgios happy.

It's quite obvious living like a saint and playing every match and training every day with full focus.


If Kyrgios wants to play 8 tournaments a year and tank the other 10 and he can still be top 30, that should be his right to do. It's not his fault the other's aren't good enough to score more points than he does. If he can clown around and still qualify for all the big tournaments, why shouldn't he be allowed to clown around? Semi-tanking happens an awful lot, and now we have one guy who's focus deficiency when off is just a bit bigger than anyone elses and is honest about it and everyone is up in arms.

Why is he receiving the amount of criticism he gets for not doing something that does not make him happy?

And don't come up with the 'then he should be flipping burgers' bullcrap, because that's just nothing to be able to get set for life while half assing something you have a love-hate relation with.

So what reason is there, but people having the neediness to take the moral high ground and having the need to feel better about themselves by judging something that's none of their business by having their own heads so far up their own asses they can vomit into their own vomit

So, who are we to judge?

Agreed. I'm sure other players also tank tournaments strategically. Kyrgios is just open about it.

 

[Stupendous1HBH]

Do what makes Nick Kyrgios happy.

So... play bball and give up tennis.

 

[Get A Grip]

I don't particularly "judge" Nick and of course he's free to do whatever he wants in life, but tanking impacts the sport and it impacts the paying customer. It's disrespecting both tennis and those who pay for their seats. I wish he'd get it together because he has way more natural talent than anyone else out there except Fed.

Fed said Nadal had more natural talent than him (Fed.) So it must be true!

 

[canta_Brian]

Who might have had his first round place at Queens had he not turned up?

This is a tennis forum. People here like tennis. Why would you want to support the guy who openly hates the game and can't be bothered half the time. I mean most of us would have harboured dreams of playing pro.

 

[KINGROGER]

Fed said Nadal had more natural talent than him (Fed.) So it must be true!

Toni and Rafa both said Fed is GOAT so it must be true!

 

[ojo rojo]

 

[r2473]

If Kyrgios wants to play 8 tournaments a year and tank the other 10 and he can still be top 30, that should be his right to do. It's not his fault the other's aren't good enough to score more points than he does. If he can clown around and still qualify for all the big tournaments, why shouldn't he be allowed to clown around? Semi-tanking happens an awful lot, and now we have one guy who's focus deficiency when off is just a bit bigger than anyone elses and is honest about it and everyone is up in arms.

It would be like NBA regular season

 

[falstaff78]

Do what makes Nick Kyrgios happy.

It's quite obvious living like a saint and playing every match and training every day with full focus.


If Kyrgios wants to play 8 tournaments a year and tank the other 10 and he can still be top 30, that should be his right to do. It's not his fault the other's aren't good enough to score more points than he does. If he can clown around and still qualify for all the big tournaments, why shouldn't he be allowed to clown around? Semi-tanking happens an awful lot, and now we have one guy who's focus deficiency when off is just a bit bigger than anyone elses and is honest about it and everyone is up in arms.

Why is he receiving the amount of criticism he gets for not doing something that does not make him happy?

And don't come up with the 'then he should be flipping burgers' bullcrap, because that's just nothing to be able to get set for life while half assing something you have a love-hate relation with.

So what reason is there, but people having the neediness to take the moral high ground and having the need to feel better about themselves by judging something that's none of their business by having their own heads so far up their own asses they can vomit into their own vomit

So, who are we to judge?

Appearances are important.

He owes it to the fans who pay his wages to make the modest effort to not brazenly proclaim that he tanks, and therefore has contempt for them

 

[cc0509]

Appearances are important.

He owes it to the fans who pay his wages to make the modest effort to not brazenly proclaim that he tanks, and therefore has contempt for them

He doesn't owe anybody anything. If a person doesn't want to watch him play, don't buy a ticket to see him play, don't show up when he plays if you have a VIP tournament package or don't turn on the tv when he plays. In addition, yes some of the prize money he receives comes from ticket sales but more of it comes from sponsors and tv rights.

 

[big ted]

he can do whatever he wants but to me he doesn't seem very happy doing that..

 

[PMChambers]

Kyrios needs to,
Get in a good relationship where he doesn't find the circuit isolating and dehumanising. He needs someone to help his travel and seperate tennis from life. He's at that economic point where we could travel with a partner, but he needs a travelling partner manager sort rather than wife child raiser type. The more he wins the better for his mind set as he can play more but shorter periods and travel less. He doesn't have the fire of Connors and Lendl, the drug party attitude of Borg, Mac any 70s, mateship of coach student Sampras, Nadal, Cash, etc, or family of half WTA touring with him.

 

[VexlanderPrime]

Do what makes Nick Kyrgios happy.

It's quite obvious living like a saint and playing every match and training every day with full focus.


If Kyrgios wants to play 8 tournaments a year and tank the other 10 and he can still be top 30, that should be his right to do. It's not his fault the other's aren't good enough to score more points than he does. If he can clown around and still qualify for all the big tournaments, why shouldn't he be allowed to clown around? Semi-tanking happens an awful lot, and now we have one guy who's focus deficiency when off is just a bit bigger than anyone elses and is honest about it and everyone is up in arms.

Why is he receiving the amount of criticism he gets for not doing something that does not make him happy?

And don't come up with the 'then he should be flipping burgers' bullcrap, because that's just nothing to be able to get set for life while half assing something you have a love-hate relation with.

So what reason is there, but people having the neediness to take the moral high ground and having the need to feel better about themselves by judging something that's none of their business by having their own heads so far up their own asses they can vomit into their own vomit

So, who are we to judge?

It's a website where people express their opinions on players...

NK is free to waste his talent and people are free to discuss it.

 

[MarcusInKensington]

I think he wants to quit tennis. Seems to me that he would be far happier sitting on a beach with friends and smoking illegal things.

 

[Blade0324]

He should just go away so we can forget about this fool!

 

[KingKyrgios]

He should just go away so we can forget about this fool!

Cringe

 

[BeatlesFan]

He should just go away so we can forget about this fool!

Did you watch Nick's Miami match against Roger? You must have missed it, and it's by far the best match of 2017. Watch that match and tell me Nick's a fool. He has serious game. The problem is, he doesn't bring it 90% of the time. If he ever decides to really buckle down, watch out!

Why not call Thiem a "fool" for standing 500 feet behind the baseline and trying to outhit Nadal on Chatrier? To me, that's foolish.

 

[toby55555]

He doesn't owe anybody anything. If a person doesn't want to watch him play, don't buy a ticket to see him play, don't show up when he plays if you have a VIP tournament package or don't turn on the tv when he plays. In addition, yes some of the prize money he receives comes from ticket sales but more of it comes from sponsors and tv rights.

How do you know who you are going to see when you buy a ticket? I paid £75 for s/f tickets well in advance of the tournament starting and ended up watching Nalbandian give zero effort, I was less than pleased.
By all means pull out of a tournament before it starts if you're not in the right frame of mind but if you're playing then give it your best shot.

 

[Roddick85]

How do you know who you are going to see when you buy a ticket? I paid £75 for s/f tickets well in advance of the tournament starting and ended up watching Nalbandian give zero effort, I was less than pleased.
By all means pull out of a tournament before it starts if you're not in the right frame of mind but if you're playing then give it your best shot.

You are completely right. Tickets are sold according to sessions in the draw (R32, QF, SF, F), you can't buy a ticket and be guaranteed to see a specific player. Otherwise, everyone would jump on Fedal matches and the rest of the guys would play in front of an empty stadium LOL.

Like others have said, people who end up going or should I say "have" to watch him play because he made it to the session they bought have the right to expect an honest performance with a minimal amount of effort. Decent tickets are pretty expensive so consumers want their money's worth and that's pretty reasonable. You can't expect a 5 star classic every time, but losing on purpose or not giving any effort is very disrespectful to the fans, his opponent and tennis in general as it goes against the gentleman/classy image tennis tries to portray.

Another thing that wasn't mentioned but that I'm pretty sure generates a lot of criticism for Nick is jealousy/envy. It's obvious that he's very talented but we all know he's careless with his career and will likely underachieve because of this. For a lot of us with regular jobs, tennis is where we have fun and relax after grinding all week. When you see a talented player, who's already made more money at 22 then most of us will in our lifetime, while being so careless playing a game we love, it can be hard to stomach for some. The life of an ATP pro isn't easy, but how many of us would trade our regular jobs for playing a sport we love in packed stadiums while getting millions for it? Jealousy is inevitable.

 

[Blade0324]

Did you watch Nick's Miami match against Roger? You must have missed it, and it's by far the best match of 2017. Watch that match and tell me Nick's a fool. He has serious game. The problem is, he doesn't bring it 90% of the time. If he ever decides to really buckle down, watch out!

Why not call Thiem a "fool" for standing 500 feet behind the baseline and trying to outhit Nadal on Chatrier? To me, that's foolish.

No I didn't watch it, I refuse to watch or support him in any way. Thiem wasn't the topic of discussion here. I am not a big fan of his either but at least he tries and doesn't act like an *** most of the time! Kyrgios is just a fool acting a fool. He'll be gone from the tour in no time and no one will remember him.

 

[cigrmaster]

Tanking or not giving 100% effort everytime you take the court is cheating the fans and the game. He is morally bankrupt and enabling this type of behavior makes me wonder what type of person could ever support this? I re read the OP and quite honestly I am shocked anyone would support nick and his disgusting lack of character. Lack of character is what we are really discussing here. If I paid my money for a match and saw him purposely tank, I would be all over the tournament director or some kind of official demanding something be done. I work hard for my money, when I buy a ticket for a sporting contest I expect the best that the players have to give.

 

[mightyrick]

If Kyrgios wants to play 8 tournaments a year and tank the other 10 and he can still be top 30, that should be his right to do. It's not his fault the other's aren't good enough to score more points than he does. If he can clown around and still qualify for all the big tournaments, why shouldn't he be allowed to clown around? Semi-tanking happens an awful lot, and now we have one guy who's focus deficiency when off is just a bit bigger than anyone elses and is honest about it and everyone is up in arms.

I agree completely. I personally don't think Kyrgios is that much worse than guys like Fognini and Monfils.

Kyrgios will simply be one in a long line of players who likes to not take it seriously, enjoy the money, enjoy the tour life. While the rest of the tour passes him by.

Nothing to see here.

 

[csmoove899]

Where was the outrage when Nadal tanked all those times to avoid Federer outside clay during Federer's prime?

 

[sportmac]

Say a dad takes a day off work to take his son/daughter/kids to the professional tennis match. He buys tickets not knowing who's he's going to see. He's hoping to catch 2 or 3 good matches. He takes a day off work, travels to the tournament, pays the tickets.
He gets Krygios in one of his tanking moods.
Are you saying that's ok? Krygios doesn't owe anyone anything? When someone goes out of their way to go and see the traveling show that's come to town and one of the performers decides to hell with it on that day then the performer shouldn't be judged?

It's a professional sport. He can do that if he wants but the ATP has every right to ban him if it continues. In no other sport would this be tolerated without some hefty fine/ban. Look at the heat some NBA teams faced for not fielding their best team all the time.

It's intentional by his own admission. He's not giving them what they paid for. People pay to see the best at their best. Not to see some halfhearted clown show. It's called professionalism.

 

[Red Rick]

People pay to get access to a seat in the stadium. Plenty of tanking happens besides Kyrgios, and even more often you see players mentally checking out.

Maybe people should take into consideration that they might see a match of Nick Kyrgios.

But then they might also see a match that's just straight up terrible.

Or they might see a WTA match.

 

[Flash O'Groove]

I think Kyrgios should take of his career seriously because he only has a short time to reach his best self.

In a totally different industry, I too led a relatively lazy life. I didn't had to push myself because my charming personality and my talent were enough for me to give satisfaction to my boss. I had no interest in being hard with myself when I could spent time browsing forums or any stupid website during my working time, then go meet some friends in the evening, come back home pretty late, play some video game (try to stop a CIV game, just one more turn...), arrive late at work, and chat myself out of trouble with a smile or a joke, or a short burst of effort for a few days.

And now I look back and see that I have hardly ever seen the best of myself and achieved the best of my possibilities. It pains me now and I would like to change my career, but it's hard, and I have taken so many bad habits that working seriously is hard, and changing myself is hard. And my experience has been shared by a lot of talented people with charming personalities who (maybe as a result to these qualities) need a lot of time to mature enough.

Maybe I can still reach my potential, but if Kyrgios wait to be my age to change, it will be too late for tennis, and he might very well regret it for his whole life.

Truth is, Civilization 5 and beers weren't as fulffiling as I expected.

Kyrgios has every right to pursue happiness, and if the tennis industry allow him to thrive without trying, he has little reason to push himself for the spectators, his opponents (I suspect many enjoy his tanking when they draw him) or the ATP. But he should push himself for himself.

Ain't I wise?

 

[KingKyrgios]

But then they might also see a match that's just straight up terrible.

Or they might see a WTA match.

LMAO! I notice a contradiction here, how can a WTA match be anything BUT horrible?

 

[BeatlesFan]

No I didn't watch it, I refuse to watch or support him in any way.

Supporting Nick and watching him are two very different things. So you're saying that if Nick is in a slam final, you're not watching it? Or if Nick plays a big match against your favorite guy, you're not watching just because he's in it?

 

[mightyrick]

If Kyrgios keeps with this path, he certainly won't get to important finals. He won't even be on featured courts unless he's playing a superstar.

The reality is that if he doesn't take it seriously, the field will pass him by. He'll be injured a lot due to lack of fitness. He'll flame out of draws (especially slam draws) early because the field will improve while he remains stagnant.

Kyrgios isn't nearly as talented as Marcelo Rios was. I don't even think he's as talented as a guy like Nalbandian.

Kyrgios isn't going to be a has-been. I really think he's going to be a "never was".

 

[BeatlesFan]

Kyrgios isn't nearly as talented as Marcelo Rios was. I don't even think he's as talented as a guy like Nalbandian.

Others disagree:

Nick Kyrgios is the most talented player since Roger Federer arrived: Paul Annacone
18 Mar 2017 by Akshay Kohli

In the New York Times, Christopher Clarey wrote: “Kyrgios has been dropping some big hints in the last six weeks that he may mature sooner rather than later.” The piece quoted Paul Annacone, a former coach of Roger Federer and Pete Sampras, as saying: “I think Nick is the most talented player since Roger jumped on the scene.” Clarey wrote: “That is quite a remark from a man not prone to hyperbole, quite a statement considering that Rafael Nadal, Andy Murray, Novak Djokovic and Stan Wawrinka have all arrived on the scene in the gap between Federer and Kyrgios.“Talent is a broad term.

With a tennis match on the line, all kinds of talent matter — concentration and intelligence among them.” “But the sort of talent Annacone is referring to is the ability to hit all the shots, including a few that are not in the playbook, and the ability to create something out of nothing."

http://www.**************.org/news/...er-since-roger-federer-arrived-paul-annacone/