Watch Novak 10 minutes all your insomnia problems gone. The one only thing ı will be forever thankful to him.Yes, it's playing style that makes people make up stories about fixing matches and doping.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
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OhYes
Guest
What about Andy Murray ? Does he makes you sleep in 10 or less minutes ?
Kalin
Legend
In tennis, Bulgarians and Greeks have won exactly squat unless you count Grigor's top-ranked selfies on Instagram. And Pete Sampras.
Plus, Bulgaria and Greece, as members of the EU, are officially a part of Europe! Which part.... well, it's the one midway between the lower back and the hamstrings when you look from the back.
Ditto for Nishi... of course the public is gladly accepting a polite Asian who loses every single match of consequence. Let him win a few Grand Slams and let's see how it goes. But he won't; too polite for that.
Kalin
Legend
Really... in a thread that has 'Andy Murray' in the title you single out Novak as a cure for insomnia? They use Andy videos to tame wild tigers, control nuclear explosions and stop black holes from rotating.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
I'm just wondering what else the press would need to come out with in order for posters like @Sysyphus and @Levi_Ackerman to think that yes, Djokovic is getting a raw deal from them, especially given all the incidents OhYes and Uliks have already highlighted.
And Levi my friend, if you really believe Novak is "unimportant in the bigger picture" I'd suggest switching to a different type of medication!
And Levi my friend, if you really believe Novak is "unimportant in the bigger picture" I'd suggest switching to a different type of medication!
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JRAJ1988
Guest
NOVAK DJOKOVIC has revealed he has talked to Andy Murray about drug-cheating in tennis - and is convinced the Scot meant nothing personal when he complained about the performance of "fitter" people in the game.
Speaking for the first time since Murray's comments at Monte Carlo, Djokovic said: "I've read what he said, I have great relationship with Andy, I've spoken to him - he didn't mean specific individuals.
“But I don't share his views. As long as we don't have proof that game is not clean, then it is clean.
- So they've talked personally about this and they seem to be cordial with each other. And please goons actually try to differentiate between Anglo-Saxon and Celt, Murray is the latter.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/tenn...hip-Andy-Murray-drug-cheating-comments-Tennis
Speaking for the first time since Murray's comments at Monte Carlo, Djokovic said: "I've read what he said, I have great relationship with Andy, I've spoken to him - he didn't mean specific individuals.
“But I don't share his views. As long as we don't have proof that game is not clean, then it is clean.
- So they've talked personally about this and they seem to be cordial with each other. And please goons actually try to differentiate between Anglo-Saxon and Celt, Murray is the latter.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/tenn...hip-Andy-Murray-drug-cheating-comments-Tennis
Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
I hope you gave your proctologist a 24 hour notice.
Hahaha ı dont want to fall in to a coma. Enough said.
Elessar
Rookie
Well, that Djokovic fan is certainly a representative of Djokovic's fanbase overall. In fact, that fan's comments carry greater value than Djokovic's words. Or maybe not.
To use Djokovic's statement about doping in tennis, and Djokovic himself as a comparison to Lance Armstrong, and to insinuate that Djokovic might be doping, based on that statement, is too much, even for that Washington Post hack.
I was not part of the "Djoker is a victim of the evil media" brigade, but in the last two years, he has often been under attacks by, mostly, media from Anglo-Saxon countries.
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
Now that you quoted this part again "is convinced the Scot meant nothing personal" it really does strike me as funny. This is from the guy who is convinced everyone in the sport is clean.
Levi_Ackerman
Legend
Oooh what a burn! What a very, very original burn. I have never seen that meme before. EVER! How will I ever recover from such a burn! Oh woe is me!Levi Ackerman at his finest
Levi_Ackerman
Legend
Wait for the likes....Levi Ackerman at his finest
Levi_Ackerman
Legend
How is he important is the bigger picture? Is he politician? Is he running for office? Is he a legislator? Is he a high court judge? Is a CEO of a major bank? Is the governor of the Bank of England? Please tell me, how important is Djokovic "in the bigger picture" that "the media" would want to undermine him. What influence does Djokovic have that "the media" might want to block or curb or control by conspiring against him - in the same way it conspires against someone like Jeremy Corbyn, or Bernie Sanders? Or does your world simply revolve entirely around tennis?
I'm all ears here, mate. I'm all f@cking ears!
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OhYes
Guest
I am puzzled with your disregard for soft power and high regard for people with temporary formal power. What is power of CEO of a major Bank (Fred the Shred). He/she could be fired at any time. What is power of politician who can be voted out or impeached. And what is power of an immortal sportsman who is idol of millions. Djokovic builds up his own legacy, but also influences legacies of other immortal players. Millions of people/children think "I would like to be like Djokovic". His views seem to be very important as judged by the magnitude of their coverage and responses they provoke. On the other hand, we don't even know views of many CEOs, legislators, politicians as they are rarely reported. Even if they are reported, we usually don't care (blah, politicians).How is he important is the bigger picture? Is he politician? Is he running for office? Is he a legislator? Is he a high court judge? Is a CEO of a major bank? Is the governor of the Bank of England? Please tell me, how important is Djokovic "in the bigger picture" that "the media" would want to undermine him. What influence does Djokovic have that "the media" might want to block or curb or control by conspiring against him - in the same way it conspires against someone like Jeremy Corbyn, or Bernie Sanders? Or does your world simply revolve entirely around tennis?
I'm all ears here, mate. I'm all f@cking ears!
Levi_Ackerman
Legend
LMAO. I stopped reading after that. If I have to explain to you the po0wer of the CEO of a major bank (e.g. Lloyd Blankfein) or the power of someone like David Cameron or Ed Miliband (whom some (if not all) of the major right wing press in the UK dedicated most (if not all) all its time and manpower against in order to keep from power)....lol
Levi_Ackerman
Legend
No, I don't "dig". I lack the logical capacity to. Remember? Unless of course, you were full of sh*t.This was solely for you my dear, it's the language you dig
Roddick85
Hall of Fame
I have to wonder just how good they're "friendship" really is? Whenever media speak about Novak/Andy it's always about them coming up together in the juniors, same age or so, always "so close". Yet for the past couple of years, I don't get the feeling they are that friendly. Murray's latest comments clearly target Novak and probably Rafa. Over the last 2 years, pretty much every time they played, Andy has had some issues with Novak. From faking injury (AO 2015) to cheating (Miami 2014), etc...If Novak is such a "close friend" then it's surely a weird way of showing it.
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OhYes
Guest
No creepy, of course you don't. Keep in mind that limitation of yours when you decide to take huge dump in someones topic.
Levi_Ackerman
Legend
Well, if that someone's thread is basically a huge a toilet (metaphorically speaking of course), I can hardly be blamed for taking a huge dump in it. Just so we're clear, I am calling your thread a toilet. It's a toilet thread. It's asking for us to dump all over it, and we shall oblige.
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OhYes
Guest
Be my guest:Well, if that someone's thread is basically a huge a toilet (metaphorically speaking of course), I can hardly be blamed for taking a huge dump in it. Just so we're clear, I am calling your thread a toilet. It's a toilet thread. It's asking for us to dump all over it, and we shall oblige.
Levi_Ackerman
Legend
Thank you.Be my guest:
. I'll let you know when I'm done so you can wipe my arse for me
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Emperor of Belgrade
Guest
It's really obvious. Back when semifinals were his maximum, Novak didn't bother anyone. It's a totally different story now. All of those "admirers" in the past have shown their true faces. He was never called robotic, boring or fake before he started having huge success. Now however, he is Satan.
wannabe good
Rookie
Because of his personality and game style, Djokovic is not very likable and would not be a public's favorite under the best of circumstances. That doesn't change the fact that Murray is Novak's leading hater.
Murray's unsubstantiated accusations of Novak doping is a deliberate attempt to permanently taint Djokovic's career and accomplishments.
Murray's unsubstantiated accusations of Novak doping is a deliberate attempt to permanently taint Djokovic's career and accomplishments.
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
Pretty good comeback, actually.Be my guest:
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OhYes
Guest
Thanks, you Yul Brynner look alike.Pretty good comeback, actually.
You are mistaken as you mixed up power of institutions they lead with their power. They are accountable and accountability excludes (real) power. Who is more powerful: 1) Djokovic or 2) Chris Kermode ATP CEO?
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OhYes
Guest
I can't wait DC match in Belgrade.It's really obvious. Back when semifinals were his maximum, Novak didn't bother anyone. It's a totally different story now. All of those "admirers" in the past have shown their true faces. He was never called robotic, boring or fake before he started having huge success. Now however, he is Satan.
Too bad it isn't earlier.
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Emperor of Belgrade
Guest
I hope you will be entertained there no matter if Novak plays or not.I can't wait DC match in Belgrade.
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OhYes
Guest
Tasmajdan in clayI hope you will be entertained there no matter if Novak plays or not.
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JRAJ1988
Guest
The sh*t stirrers with an anti-Serbian sentiment are the British press, you know their track record especially the Daily Fail and Murray talked with Djokovic personally about all of this.
One thing that is true though, Murray is bitter about his lopsided rivalry with Djokovic....can't you tell? They where real close up until 2012.
And Russel I apologize for coming across that I was insinuating that you're a goon, I got the wrong end of the stick.
One thing that is true though, Murray is bitter about his lopsided rivalry with Djokovic....can't you tell? They where real close up until 2012.
And Russel I apologize for coming across that I was insinuating that you're a goon, I got the wrong end of the stick.
Levi_Ackerman
Legend
Short answer: Chris Kermode ATP CEO.
Medium length answer: Who has more influence over what tournaments are Masters 1000, where the WTF moves to next, the schedule of the tennis tournaments? Djokovic of Chris Kermode. I can't believe you even asked this question. In case, you didn't know, money and popularity does not always equal power. Real power lies with decision makers. Kermode is decision maker. The only decision Djokovic gets to make is whether he wants to take the ball on the rise, hit a backhand down the line or cross-court. The poor sod doesn't even get to choose his outfits.
Kalin
Legend
Seems the guy is appointed for a three-year period only. Not a very powerful position, IMO. But really, comparing a top tennis player with an executive is really apples to oranges.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Kermode
Levi_Ackerman
Legend
You could say the same thing about the Leader of the the Free world, namely the President of the United States. He/she is only appointed for four years. Eight, if he/she plays his/her cards right and things go his/her way. But, hey, not a very powerful position, right? After all, he/she is only there for a limited amount of time. Not a very powerful position at all. And tennis players play for eternity. Right? I mean just look at Federer. He is dominating tennis! Right? He is still king. Right?
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Levi_Ackerman
Legend
I really can't believe people think there is a legitimate debate as to who holds more power between the CEO of a major corporation like the ATP and a tennis player! Jesus! The way in which logic takes a huge pounding on this forum never ceases to amaze me.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
I don't know what press you've been reading but I haven't read anything anywhere that criticises Djokovic because he is Serbian or even criticises him at all! On the contrary, the things I read are mostly full of admiration for what he has achieved and the way he has almost single-handedly helped rehabilitate Serbia's international image!
Up until 2013 Wimbledon, they were not too far apart in their playing levels. But since then, Djokovic has pulled away from him and everybody else. It's not easy to be as close and friendly once one player suddenly becomes much better and starts inflicting constant beatdowns on the other!
Chris could be replaced tomorrow (by Tim Henman as an example) and nobody would notice. There are hundreds/thousands of those who can/would do this job. On the other hand, Djokovic is irreplaceable; nobody can do that. Remember what Raymond Moore said, who is making world goes round. Raymond More was easily displaceable (although "powerful" CEO) while Djokovic (and Nadal and Federer and Murray) is not.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
QFT! CEOs are 2 a penny. They come and go. Great tennis players are few and far between. They are special!
Kalin
Legend
So you compare the elected President of the USA to an appointed, disposable and largely unknown bureaucrat and yet I'm the one with the weak logic? The POTUS commands the biggest military force in the world. Kermode has a coffee machine that he shares with others, most likely.
Did you read the guy's bio? Please go ahead... powerful man indeed. I see you also mentioned LLoyd Blankfein and David Cameron. How about Jesus Christ and Julius Caesar; by your logic they're also mere equals to Ker-freakin'-mode? Ah wait... Caesar never made it to Emperor so he is actually below Kermodus, I mean Kermode. This Kermode guy should send you a thank-you note
Kidding, OK. The guys is awesome.... I mean, must be awesome, I had no idea he actually existed until I Googled him a while ago.
Levi_Ackerman
Legend
I'll go ahead and consider my point missed.
Your point, as I understand, is that Leon Smith is more powerful/important than Andy Murray as Leon is a decision-maker and Andy is just a player who has no any decision-making prerogatives.
Levi_Ackerman
Legend
That is the only part I read. I just had to respond. Here's my response:
I responded to your argument which implied that the length of an office is indicative of its power. And yes, you are the one with weak logic. The fact that 'Oh Yes' liked your post does not make it strong. That guys has it in for me. He'd like your post if you referred to me as an "fmfjdfkjfskladkjfnjklsdf".
You call Chris Kermode "largely unknown bureaucrat", even though he has a wikipedia entry and his second appointment (so much for your three-year argument) to the office featured in major news outlets (Guardian:http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/mar/10/atp-chris-kermode-tennis-integrity, Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap...-Kermode-appointed-2nd-term-chairman-ATP.html, Telegrapj: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/te...TP-even-though-LTA-rejected-the-Londoner.html). Yeah. He's definitely an unknown bureaucrat. lol. I don't think you know what a "largely unknown bureaucrat" is.
Seriously guys! lol. Logic is begging you to stop kicking it in the face. It has had enough.
Levi_Ackerman
Legend
Hahahahaha. What a bullsh*t and weak strawman. If you're going to make a strawman out of my argument, you could at least put some effort into it. Can't say I'm surprised, however, the introduction of a straw man is usually a sign that a person is losing the argument.
Levi_Ackerman
Legend
Do you even know what we're arguing about? Don't just interject, unless you know the origin of this discussion.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
I don't know what you were arguing about but I was replying to ABCD's post on the relative merits of CEOs and top tennis players. Do you have a problem with that?
Levi_Ackerman
Legend
Only if you're taking sides without knowing what we're fighting about.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
I'm not taking sides with anybody, just agreeing or disagreeing with various opinions. But for the record, what is it you are fighting about?
Kalin
Legend
Ah, so you do acknowledge that the length of his appointment is actually important. Thank you for supporting what I have been saying all along
It also means that his Wikipedia entry is hopelessly outdated... again proving that he is, indeed, not very well-known and not majorly important. Important events usually appear on Wikipedia within hours, if not minutes.
I do grant you, however, that his appointment to a second-term makes him a lot more powerful than he originally was. Seems he has done a good job so kudos to him. Pity the LTA wasn't convinced in his powers when they rejected his CEO application before he found safe haven at the ATP headquarters
And again, I go back to my original closing statement that you conveniently ignored - comparing 'powerful-ness' between a top player and a bureaucrat/executive is an exercise in futility. Both are powerful in their own way. Only one is a world-wide phenomenon and an all-time great
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