Paris Masters - (1) Djokovic vs (8) Murray - Who's going to win?

[RF-18]

To be honest....anybody with multiple slams in this current era of Federer, Nadal, Djokovic has to be considered an all time great.

I strongly agree and thats why I also rate djokovic highly. 6 GS titles since 2011. Thats just amazing and I as a fed fan worships Nole for the work he has put in and how he has developed from being a midget compared to Nadal and Roger to a beast.

Im sure he will be up there at the top with federer, Sampras and nadal when he retires. I think he will pass Lendl, Borg, Laver and Emerson in terms of GS titles.

 

[tennis_pro]

The run for #1 is over. Fed has lost his only chance to tie Sampras' YE#1 record.

It's ok, he can have every other record that Sampras once had.

 

[Maximagq]

What does Djokovic have to do to secure YE #1?

 

[tudwell]

This used to be such an unpredictable match-up. After Murray's victory at the 2012 U.S. Open, Djokovic barely led 8-7. Since then, he's gone 7-1. Obviously Murray's back surgery didn't help his cause, but still, it's disappointing to lose what used to be a neck-and-neck rivalry.

 

[President]

This used to be such an unpredictable match-up. After Murray's victory at the 2012 U.S. Open, Djokovic barely led 8-7. Since then, he's gone 7-1. Obviously Murray's back surgery didn't help his cause, but still, it's disappointing to lose what used to be a neck-and-neck rivalry.

Djokovic is just slightly better in almost every aspect, except for the second serve and forehand, where he is way better. Murray has a better slice and volleys, but isn't able/doesn't use them enough to make a difference.

 

[TheMusicLover]

Djokovic in straights, most possibly a 7-6, 6-4 score at its best (or worse, depending on who you're rooting for. )

I wasn't that far off... :neutral: anyways, on to the next match.

 

[SpicyCurry1990]

I don't mind Murray winning tomorrow as long as Berdych beats Federer in the semi final and Andy goes on to win the title. I actually think he will win as well seeing as he's been playing better recently and is due another win over one of the other big 4 players at some point. Plus I'm sure the commentators said at the end of Nole's 1st set tonight that he'd injured his shoulder. Did anyone else hear that or was it just me? It would certainly explain why his serve % was so poor at times. So yeah, Murray to take it, probably in two tight sets.

I can't remember the last Murray-Djokovic match where you picked Djokovic to win :twisted:

I think you took him at USO and Beijing as well. Have some faith bro!

Let me just say that Fed fans are going be in a good mood this time tomorrow.

:lol::lol::lol:

 

[uliks]

Djokovic lucky as always. Murray was tired...

 

[SpicyCurry1990]

I strongly agree and thats why I also rate djokovic highly. 6 GS titles since 2011. Thats just amazing and I as a fed fan worships Nole for the work he has put in and how he has developed from being a midget compared to Nadal and Roger to a beast.

Im sure he will be up there at the top with federer, Sampras and nadal when he retires. I think he will pass Lendl, Borg, Laver and Emerson in terms of GS titles.

Wow nice to see some respect for Djoko from a Fed fan for a change.

Although I think the bold is a bit too ambitious even for me. That would require him to end up with 13 slams. Unless he goes into 2011 mode for another 3 slam season I can't see that.

 

[InvisibleSoul]

What does Djokovic have to do to secure YE #1?

Well, even if Djokovic wins Paris, he's still not guaranteed #1 yet.

Federer is stuck at 8700 right now, and Djokovic can get to 10010 with the win.

I think Federer could earn as many as 225 points at Davis Cup, so let's assume he does.

That means going into the WTF, Federer will be at 8925, or 1085 behind Djokovic.

If Djokovic wins only two round robin matches and gets knocked out in the SF, he'll get 400 points. If Federer wins the WTF undefeated, Federer will win YE #1 by 15 points.

If Djokovic wins all three round robin matches, or wins two round robin matches and the SF, then he's guaranteed YE #1.

 

[uliks]

Thanks mate, very gracious of you as always.

Mainad also. Overall i think Murray has the best fan base here on TW

 

[Djokovic2011]

Mainad also. Overall i think Murray has the best fan base here on TW

Mainad goes without saying - easily one of the best posters on TTW. There are certain other members on here who could well take a leaf out of his book.

 

[Federer302]

Mainad goes without saying - easily one of the best posters on TTW. There are certain other members on here who could well take a leaf out of his book.

Mainad once asked Murray to retire.

 

[Steve0904]

Mainad also. Overall i think Murray has the best fan base here on TW

That's just translated as "not as successful as the other 3."

 

[Mainad]

Mainad goes without saying - easily one of the best posters on TTW. There are certain other members on here who could well take a leaf out of his book.

Thank you and, of course, you are by far the best Djokovic fan on here, someone who supports his man without having to trash any of his opponents. That's the mark of a true fan!

Novak's looking unbeatable at the moment. Fatherhood obviously agrees with him! :wink:

 

[tennisaddict]

Oh, well there goes the threat to Novak' YE #1.

It was good while it lasted. All detractors praying for a 33 year old to lose his way -

 

[SpicyCurry1990]

Oh, well there goes the threat to Novak' YE #1.

It was good while it lasted. All detractors praying for a 33 year old to lose his way -

That 33 year old is objectively playing better than when he was 27 based on season win percentage (and by a good margin)

 

[Federer302]

That 33 year old is objectively playing better than when he was 27 based on season win percentage (and by a good margin)

Weak era now.

 

[tennisaddict]

That 33 year old is objectively playing better than when he was 27 based on season win percentage (and by a good margin)

Oh, Sure. Fed will play better after another 7 years at age 40.

 

[mike danny]

That 33 year old is objectively playing better than when he was 27 based on season win percentage (and by a good margin)

The difference is that at 27 people were still giving him much higher chances at slams. And he did win a slam at USO 2008. At 27 I am sure everyone felt he could still beat everybody in slams except Nadal. Different story now.

Right now at 33 he can't win any slams anymore. He isn't even better than when he was 31 in 2012,let alone 27.

 

[mike danny]

This used to be such an unpredictable match-up. After Murray's victory at the 2012 U.S. Open, Djokovic barely led 8-7. Since then, he's gone 7-1. Obviously Murray's back surgery didn't help his cause, but still, it's disappointing to lose what used to be a neck-and-neck rivalry.

Yes but that 1 match Murray won was the Wimbledon final . Believe me, that one match meant to Murray and to the entire Great Britain more than any other victory from Murray vs Novak

 

[SpicyCurry1990]

Weak era now.

So 2008 is a strong era now? All I've heard before is that Fed just heavily declined starting that year (at age 27 the same age Djokovic is at now where you all say he is in his prime).

And thats why in this current "weak era" Fed is losing in slams to current gen (Nadal and Djokovic) and next gen (Cilic and Gulbis) players, yet maintaining an 86% win rate compared to 81% in 08 right?

How do you explain all of these losses to the "weak era" combined with better consistent performance? Perhaps stronger era with higher level of play by himself?

Oh, Sure. Fed will play better after another 7 years at age 40.

Titles won in 08: 4
Titles won in 14: 5

Finals reached in 08: 8
Finals reached ni 14: 10

Winning percentage in 08: 81% (66-15)
Winning percentage in 14: 86% (68-11)

Slam losses in 08: Only Djokovic and Nadal
Slam losses in 14: Djokovic, Nadal + 2 "weak era" guys

But keep living in this denial we are currently seeing massively declined Federer and 08 Prime Fed was so much better and we are in some weak era now

The difference is that at 27 people were still giving him much higher chances at slams. And he did win a slam at USO 2008. At 27 I am sure everyone felt he could still beat everybody in slams except Nadal. Different story now.

Right now at 33 he can't win any slams anymore. He isn't even better than when he was 31 in 2012,let alone 27.

The stats disagree with you. He is playing as well as he was at 31 and both years were better than when he was 27.

 

[Federer302]

So 2008 is a strong era now? All I've heard before is that Fed just heavily declined starting that year (at age 27 the same age Djokovic is at now where you all say he is in his prime).

And thats why in this current "weak era" Fed is losing in slams to current gen (Nadal and Djokovic) and next gen (Cilic and Gulbis) players, yet maintaining an 86% win rate compared to 81% in 08 right?

How do you explain all of these losses to the "weak era" combined with better consistent performance? Perhaps stronger era with higher level of play by himself?



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Weak era and worse Fed?


You all? When do I talk about Nole? I think he is past his best.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Novak angry, me likey.

tennis_pro angry, me likey.
Seriously, I never thought anyone could be more butthurt than 90s Clay but this guy has definitely been giving him a good run for his money tonight. :shock:

 

[mike danny]

So 2008 is a strong era now? All I've heard before is that Fed just heavily declined starting that year (at age 27 the same age Djokovic is at now where you all say he is in his prime).

And thats why in this current "weak era" Fed is losing in slams to current gen (Nadal and Djokovic) and next gen (Cilic and Gulbis) players, yet maintaining an 86% win rate compared to 81% in 08 right?

How do you explain all of these losses to the "weak era" combined with better consistent performance? Perhaps stronger era with higher level of play by himself?



Titles won in 08: 4
Titles won in 14: 5

Finals reached in 08: 8
Finals reached ni 14: 10

Winning percentage in 08: 81% (66-15)
Winning percentage in 14: 86% (68-11)

Slam losses in 08: Only Djokovic and Nadal
Slam losses in 14: Djokovic, Nadal + 2 "weak era" guys

But keep living in this denial we are currently seeing massively declined Federer and 08 Prime Fed was so much better and we are in some weak era now



The stats disagree with you. He is playing as well as he was at 31 and both years were better than when he was 27.

No way at 27 he loses to Cilic and Gulbis in grand slams. Put 2008 Fed in 2014 and he grabs both W an USO - 2 slams.

In 2012 I agree he was better than in 2008, but the only thing he is better at in 2014 compared to 2008 is at the smaller events. He reached 5 masters finals this year, winning 2 vs 0 masters in 2008.

But in 2008 he won a slam so I consider that one a better year than this one, despite the worse record vs top 10 players in 2008. He was also pretty much a lock for slam finals back then. Totally different situation this year, when he is lucky to even reach a slam final

Sorry, for me, a year with 1 slam>a year with no slams. 2014 is only better than 2011 and 2013, but in 2008 winning a slam trumps everything he did in 2014.

 

[veroniquem]

Djokovic lucky as always. Murray was tired...

Ha ha Djoko lucky? With the draw he got? Never mind that he played very late last night and had fewer hours of recovery time...

 

[Chico]

Novak angry, me likey.

 

[powerangle]

God I hate Djokovic, probably more than Nadal right now which is something.

LOL. At least you were honest.

 

[powerangle]

Congrats to Nole and his fans. Murray beaten like ginger stepchild by Nole again.

I don't know why I found that so funny. :lol:

Murray has a lot of tennis under his legs these past several weeks, mate. No shame in losing to Novak. I strongly believe Murray will continue to get his form back and get better from here on out. I see Murray at least making the semis at WTF.

 

[veroniquem]

Let me just say that Fed fans are going be in a good mood this time tomorrow.

Good one

 

[veroniquem]

Really hoping Ferrer will qualify rather than Raonic. Milosh crumbled when he played Fed at Wimbledon. He probably wouldn't win a set at WTF. Ferrer and Berdych will probably win

You got to be joking. Ferrer is THE most helpless player vs Fed on any surface!

 

[veroniquem]

kohlschreiber and clownfils?

really...he hasnt even lost a set yet and barely played three hours, and you are already moaning LOL.

murray is his first test.

Pouille is an up and coming young player with plenty of game....

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Oh sure, fresh from the challenger circuit, Pouille just peaked at #164. Was that the first 2 matches he won on the pro tour this week? Compare that to a top 20 guy like Monfils. Pfft. No wonder Fed lost to Raonic today. It was all that stress from having to play Pouille that ended up leaving him mentally exhausted and physically drained.


The stuff one reads on this board. Unreal.
(ETA: by the way "clownfils" beat Fed in Paris master in the past and in Shanghai last year. But hey he still has nothing on Pouille obviously).

 

[Gary Duane]

I'm shocked that a majority of people in this poll picked Murray to win.

 

[Chico]

I'm shocked that a majority of people in this poll picked Murray to win.

Not quite, but leading option was Murray in 3, nonetheless. I was shocked at that too. Just shows how much is Novak hater and underrated here.

 

[furryballs]

Murray playing possum.......he needs the WTF for the great British trilogy.