Poll : Murray - ATG player or not ?
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Lew II
G.O.A.T.
Murray has a better win % at Slams than Edberg and Wilander.
mehdimike
Hall of Fame
mehdimike
Hall of Fame
Both have two above 80% win rate at slams. Murray doesn't.
Breakpointerer
Legend
alexio
G.O.A.T.
becker also doesn't
zagor
Bionic Poster
Might as well use past tense. He's done being a slam contender, we all know it.
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
No.
Ok. But why ? Poll is even so far ! You should care.
Swingmaster
Hall of Fame
Of course. He’s one of the greats in the greatest era. If he were the fourth greatest in the worst era, I would say no. Stan and Thiem already should probably be considered ATGs. Imagine Thiem vs Tim Henman.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Of course not. This is clear to anyone, except for a few Djokovic fanboys who like to hype him for obvious reasons.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
If only people cared so much about Murray when he was playing 
Swingmaster
Hall of Fame
Depends on the number of ATGs you make room for. If your number is 10 then he’s probably a yes. If it’s 5, then no.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
The big 3 also played against each other, but for some reason they have more than 3 slams. Murray being unlucky is BS. He just played very, very bad in most of his slam finals.
Swingmaster
Hall of Fame
Come on. At least admit that’s it’s unfortunate for him to have to go up against the three best players of all time. He could’ve played better in those finals, but he was also playing against the three best players of all time. No one is saying he’s better than them, but to be able to hang with those guys for the most part, not too shabby.
mehdimike
Hall of Fame
And he is not an ATG to me. 6<7=Minimum number of slams required
TimHenmanATG
Hall of Fame
I'm sorry to labour the point, but if Andy is not an ATG, then where does that leave the Big 3?
It's pretty preposterous that it's even disputed that a guy who has won 3 Grand Slam titles, 2 Olympic Golds, 14 ATP Masters titles, and reached 11 GS finals, is somehow not an ATG.
It's pretty preposterous that it's even disputed that a guy who has won 3 Grand Slam titles, 2 Olympic Golds, 14 ATP Masters titles, and reached 11 GS finals, is somehow not an ATG.
You're basically saying he would have been better if the players of his time were worse. That's hilarious. Them being worse doesn't make him better.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
And lost 8 of them, LOL. Nobody can be an ATG with just 3 slam titles, and I don't care how many lost finals he has.
PeoplesChamp
Legend
If he miracously finds a way to win another slam he should be awarded ATG status. Definitely a unique set of circumstances which is why the question is often asked. Murray has his own tier imo.
TimHenmanATG
Hall of Fame
But if you're holding up his contemporaries as ATGs, then can you see why Andy's purported "failings" don't shine a positive light on the other members of the Big 4?
mike danny
Bionic Poster
So was Stan and he still won 3 slams. So what stopped Murray from winning more than 3?
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mike danny
Bionic Poster
LOL, wut?
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Not sure what is your point. You are trying to compare Murray to the big 3? Dude, you need to multiply his slam count by 7 (!!!) for him to surpass them.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Your standards for ATG are clearly not that high.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
There were so many threads about this that normal fans are already tired of voting, so they don't show up. As a result, Djokovic fanboys finally won the poll.
No he is a great player
But when you have Federer Nadal Djokovic standing in the way, there is not much left to win, yet he still was the best player for a season, won some slams, olympic gold, bunch of masters
The guy even won a tournament on metallic hip
TimHenmanATG
Hall of Fame
My point is that if Murray isn't an ATG, then shouldn't that challenge Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic fans to re-appraise their views of the status of the Big 3?
If an "also-ran" regularly schooled his contemporaries, then shouldn't that call into question how you perceive those aforementioned contemporaries?
Great: yes
ATG: no
BackhandDTL
Hall of Fame
No but he’s a great player.
If he sustained that 2012-13 level longer without injury he would probably achieved ATG status.
If he sustained that 2012-13 level longer without injury he would probably achieved ATG status.
Tennis_Freak99
Legend
Fed fans will say no, cause they have to prove that Murray wasn't 'stronk competition'. Biased, it shall be, like any other poll
mike danny
Bionic Poster
He finished a season at the top because the Big 3 all collapsed.
BackhandDTL
Hall of Fame
Murray wasn’t ATG quality post 2013. Played mediocre tennis in GS finals. Folded like a cheap suit in AO 2015. AO 2016 was joke quality from Murray.
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mike danny
Bionic Poster
Djokovic fans will say yes just to bolster his competition even more. The conclusion remains the same.
And besides, Murray was part of Fed's competition too, so if anything they should join the Djoko fanbase in hyping him up.
Tennis_Freak99
Legend
Isn't he part of 'old Fed' competition'? This is the same Fed who is 'old' to be a weak competion for Djokodal himself!
There are no 'guidlines' for who is an ATG. I firmly believe he is, you believe he is not. It should be left to personal choice
Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
Sir, he is my countryman, but I'd still refrain from Calling him an ATG. He is in tier of his own.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
He was Fed's competition in 2008-2012 when Fed wasn't too old. Fed won 3 slam finals against him.
If anything Fed fans should hype him up too.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
I don't believe he is because of Wawrinka. It shows Murray's struggles to win more than 3 slams is overstated.
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Andrew is not an ATG. People need to stop creating these threads.
Tennis_Freak99
Legend
That's because you come from the belief system that slams are the 'be all and end all' of the sport Tennis. I don't agree with that. Murray has won almost every big title there, reached #1 and YE#1 and so on. Wawrinka only matches him in slams
That's where we will disagree and it's fine. I don't agree to the fact that slams are everything
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StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
So you think Vilas was the greatest claycourt player until 2017 when Nadal surpassed him in clay titles? The guy had just 1 RG.
There is no definition of an ATG unless you have to be a top 10 all time great, then obviously Murray is not.
20 years ago Becker, Edberg and Wilander would have definitely been called ATGs though, so aren't they anymore? Nobody can define what an ATG is. Even being No. 1 in the world doesn't mean much because Rios and Muster have been No. 1 yet combined they only have 1 slam.
20 years ago Becker, Edberg and Wilander would have definitely been called ATGs though, so aren't they anymore? Nobody can define what an ATG is. Even being No. 1 in the world doesn't mean much because Rios and Muster have been No. 1 yet combined they only have 1 slam.
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