Prince Phantom X (New 2019/2020) - The next upgrade of Phantom 100/ 100 Pro?
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jbdbackfan
Semi-Pro
I can agree with the added lead at 10 and 2. Granted I think my racquet may be over speced from posted specs but found it wasn’t so plush after adding weight.
tennis347
Hall of Fame
Totally agree with you ! I found that the 100X 305 didn't take adding lead tape well. The feel was horrible when I added a lot of tape which is the reason I parted ways with this frame. Otherwise, it is a really good racquet.
jbdbackfan
Semi-Pro
Thinking the 100P might be better fit for me.
tennis347
Hall of Fame
Yes, it has a higher SW and will offer more plow behind your strokes!
jbdbackfan
Semi-Pro
I’ve demoed it, when you’re on its beautiful frame.
tennis347
Hall of Fame
I sure believe. Definitely has more power and most likely better feel over the 100X 305 due to the added weight.
jbdbackfan
Semi-Pro
Agree. In a way you have to just trust the weight of the frame especially on moving defensive shots or you can overshoot target quite easily.
grucatennis
New User
@Prince Tennis Official Just wondering if there is/was any thought or intention of a Phantom 97X? It sounds like a very well rounded frame on paper, giving a little more precision to the X lineup with a little more pop over the 97P.
Khadir General
Rookie
Lima!
What happened?
Didn't like the Phantom 305X finally?
What happened?
Didn't like the Phantom 305X finally?
Hehe, I'm gonna keep them. My first training with this racquet was ok, nothing special. Second one was great! My beckend and slice are great! Forhend not perfect, I need to dial in the forhend. I have a third training with my coach in an hour and I'll report back
Khadir General
Rookie
I would leave that Yonex string in your place.Hehe, I'm gonna keep them. My first training with this racquet was ok, nothing special. Second one was great! My beckend and slice are great! Forhend not perfect, I need to dial in the forhend. I have a third training with my coach in an hour and I'll report back
I tried to like it for a long time, but it didn’t go.
A typical case is that it is neither a good nor a bad string.
Now my favourite string is the Weiss Canon Ultra Cable. It is awesome. Very good control and comfort, huge spin.
Breakpoint3040
New User
Did you end up selling them? If so, why?Hehe, I'm gonna keep them. My first training with this racquet was ok, nothing special. Second one was great! My beckend and slice are great! Forhend not perfect, I need to dial in the forhend. I have a third training with my coach in an hour and I'll report back
FIRETennis
Professional
I prefer something around 330SW and the closer the default specs are to this the better it feels.
I find that some racquets do not take added lead too well.
For example the EZONE 98 does not feel good at all to me with added weight either at 12 or 3/9.
What's the verdict over the 100X 305g, the 100P and older Pro 100P?
I'm worried that adding 15SW to the 100X won't make it feel nice.
I find that some racquets do not take added lead too well.
For example the EZONE 98 does not feel good at all to me with added weight either at 12 or 3/9.
What's the verdict over the 100X 305g, the 100P and older Pro 100P?
I'm worried that adding 15SW to the 100X won't make it feel nice.
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I play with the new Phantom 100P. I bought 2 of them.
Really nice raquet. Control and stability are perfect.
I have SW 333 and 335 on my 2 raquets strung with demper and overgrip.
FIRETennis
Professional
That sounds really nice!
What's your string setup in those and what frames did you enjoy before?
FIRETennis
Professional
I tried the Wilson Clash 98. Was a fun toy for hitting but for serious matches I felt control was erratic at full swing speed. A bit too much flex.
Tried full bed of polyester at low tensions in the 100P?
I play at the moment only gut/poly or full gut. Not tried full poly yet. I have a sensitive elbow.
Yes the Clash has not the control and plow of 100P. That way I bought the 100P.
What I like on the 100P is also the stability at the net, the backhand slice is going really well. And also I can hit boom flat severs with it. Especially with the full nat gut set up.
jbdbackfan
Semi-Pro
Just bought an older 100P. Noticeably different than the 100X and the older Pro 100 (even though I add 6-7 grams to each). The 100P is slightly stiffer but not as whipped obviously due to swingweight and box beam. Will report my thoughts on 100P As I play more this week.
FIRETennis
Professional
Phantom Pro 100P (black frame) or Phantom 100P (purple frame)?
jbdbackfan
Semi-Pro
The black one. Picked that because of the price, and the SW is basically the same on these. Got mine matched to posted spec and played nice in my first session. I do love the Pro 100 (black and green) when I'm on a role with groundstrokes due to maneuverability, however at times, even with weight added at 10 and 2, it can get pushed a little around, especially at net.
FIRETennis
Professional
Nice! I am waiting for one to arrive in the mail as well.. the black Phantom Pro 100P.
Did you play with the 100X (305g) and the new 100P?
jbdbackfan
Semi-Pro
I own the 100x and demoed the new 100P. The new and old 100P are nearly the same.
FIRETennis
Professional
Is anyone else finding the naming convention of Prince in the Phantom line super confusing?
Phantom 100 - O Ports, 54 Flex
Phantom Pro 100 - Regular Grommets, 56 Flex
Phantom Pro 100P - Regular Grommets, Box Frame, 59 Flex
Phantom 100P - Regular Grommets, Box/Angular Frame +1mm vs. Pro 100P, 59 Flex, Twaron
Phantom 100X - Update to the Phantom Pro 100 with lower SW, Beam +1.5mm vs Pro 100, 58 Flex, Twaron
Phantom 100X O3 - O Ports version of the 100X, 60 Flex, Twaron
Phantom 100 - O Ports, 54 Flex
Phantom Pro 100 - Regular Grommets, 56 Flex
Phantom Pro 100P - Regular Grommets, Box Frame, 59 Flex
Phantom 100P - Regular Grommets, Box/Angular Frame +1mm vs. Pro 100P, 59 Flex, Twaron
Phantom 100X - Update to the Phantom Pro 100 with lower SW, Beam +1.5mm vs Pro 100, 58 Flex, Twaron
Phantom 100X O3 - O Ports version of the 100X, 60 Flex, Twaron
They have simplified it in the 2nd gen phantoms. X variants have rounder beams while the P frames have box beams.
The first gen: Pro meant traditional grommets and P again with the box beams.
jonestim
Hall of Fame
How is the ResiTex Tour grip? They say this has a "nice firm feel" - how is it? Can you compare it to the ResiPro or DuraPro? I find I don't feel the bevels enough with a ResiPro and overgrip, and the DuraPro is ok. I prefer leather and overgrip - but don't want to get too heavy of a static weight.
I would like to end up around 325-330 strung weight with overgrip - which the 305 is. If the ResiTex isn't more firm than the ResiPro then I would probably be better off going with the 290 and a leather.
I would like to end up around 325-330 strung weight with overgrip - which the 305 is. If the ResiTex isn't more firm than the ResiPro then I would probably be better off going with the 290 and a leather.
DJTaurus
Hall of Fame
realplayer
Semi-Pro
Anyone who played the phantom 305x, prokennex black ace or ki5. I narrowed my choice between the 100x and black ace and would like a comparison between them and a ki5. I play with a ki15 now with a 105 headsize because it is easier to return big serves thanks to the generous sweetspot. That's why I prefer it over the ki5. I hope the black ace or Phantom 100x can solve the return issues that I have with my ki5. I need a bit more forgiveness that the ki15 gives me but in a lower flex.
Khadir General
Rookie
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Khadir General
Rookie
Hi!
I can help you compare the Black Ace and the Phantom Pro 100P. I have both.
The PK is 16x19 and the Prince is 16x18.
Advantages of PK:
Comfort, harder hits and serving, better return, better for winning points
Advantage of Prince:
Spin&slice, accuracy, net playing.
I like all of these rackets, I couldn't decide between them now.
I don’t have to tell you, but in comfort, you can't found better than Pro Kennex.
Have played with this set-up for several matches, singles and doubles, and have to say I'm really liking it. Great feel, nice balance between power and control, serves have been some of my best in a while. Added about 1.5 grams total at 10 and 2 (went a little heavier at first, found it too "weldy", backed off to 1.5 and is great so far). May try some other string set-ups down the road, but very pleased with the gut/poly at this point.
jbdbackfan
Semi-Pro
Had a very interesting experience tonight. I own both the 100X and the previous 100P. Recently prior to covid I was handling additional swingweight well and figured I could order the 100P when it was on sale and play well with it, having demoed the new 100P and enjoyed it I felt it could be easy transition. Long story short the 100P wasn’t working for me. Not a fan of the swingweight with the mid 11.5oz weight. Something with it just felt sluggish.
However with the 100X I added weight at 10 and 2 to bring swingweight closer to 327 or so as I got the racquet matched with TW and play with hybrid string set up. The 100X for whatever reason as mentioned above just doesn’t seem to handle the weight well and feels off. Maybe it’s me.
Prior to me ordering my first phantom last year the Pro 100, which I did enjoy a lot with weight, I strung up my old POG 100s for a match tonight. These racquets have weight at 10 and 2 with leather grip and come in around 12.2 oz and SW around 322-323. Long story short, the feel on the POGs is tops still. After going back the phantoms feel at times feelingless.
I think in these older more classic feeling racquets they are better served with more static weight and a sw in low to mid 320s. Serves were better and slight more pop on groundstrokes. Perhaps sweetspot is bit smaller but just love the constant 19mm beam on these.
Very curious for the Phantom Graphite 100s but all concerned based on Japanese specs that these won’t be much different than the 100x and 100P. The Japanese site shows a CTS beam vs constant beam as well as a strung weight around 11.5 like the 100x and 100P. Hoping in the American market the specs are different but the one phantom that’s missing is the box beam that has a higher starting weight (say around 11.7-11.8) with a starting swingweight near 318-320 which makes for ripe customization but also perfectly fine as is for many.
Hoping Prince doesn’t delay this release.
Curious for others’ thoughts.
However with the 100X I added weight at 10 and 2 to bring swingweight closer to 327 or so as I got the racquet matched with TW and play with hybrid string set up. The 100X for whatever reason as mentioned above just doesn’t seem to handle the weight well and feels off. Maybe it’s me.
Prior to me ordering my first phantom last year the Pro 100, which I did enjoy a lot with weight, I strung up my old POG 100s for a match tonight. These racquets have weight at 10 and 2 with leather grip and come in around 12.2 oz and SW around 322-323. Long story short, the feel on the POGs is tops still. After going back the phantoms feel at times feelingless.
I think in these older more classic feeling racquets they are better served with more static weight and a sw in low to mid 320s. Serves were better and slight more pop on groundstrokes. Perhaps sweetspot is bit smaller but just love the constant 19mm beam on these.
Very curious for the Phantom Graphite 100s but all concerned based on Japanese specs that these won’t be much different than the 100x and 100P. The Japanese site shows a CTS beam vs constant beam as well as a strung weight around 11.5 like the 100x and 100P. Hoping in the American market the specs are different but the one phantom that’s missing is the box beam that has a higher starting weight (say around 11.7-11.8) with a starting swingweight near 318-320 which makes for ripe customization but also perfectly fine as is for many.
Hoping Prince doesn’t delay this release.
Curious for others’ thoughts.
I demoed the 100x 305 for 2 weeks strung with Tour Bite at 58lb. I come from a texteme tour 100t and found the racket a bit too powerful for my liking. I love everything else about it (balance, plushness, spin friendly). I will be demoing the old Phantom pro 100 and the 97P as they seem to have a bit less power.
jbdbackfan
Semi-Pro
It’s true. The Phantom Pro 100 for some reason to me just felt better. More predictable.
flanker2000fr
Hall of Fame
I have the same experience as you with the (old) 100P. I felt it was sluggish and lacked maneuverability, which I suspect is due to it being so polarized.
When you say POG 100, I assume you mean PCG 100 (Prince Classic Graphite 100)? Because this is the racquet I currently play (I was lucky to find 3 new ones earlier this year), and I second your impressions. I too added a bit of weight (3 and 9), and the feel is substantially better than the 100P (more plush), while being more maneuverable despite the higher static weight. Fundamentally, I'd like an exact reissue of the PCG 100 and its constant box beam, except for the addition of Twaron at 10 and 12 like the current phantoms, to improve stability in stock form.
I had the PCG100 for a while and when I think about it, the PCG100 didn't have the jarring sensation on off center near the edges. Hmm why did I sell it....
jbdbackfan
Semi-Pro
Yes the Prince Classic Graphite 100. Again, I am confused on the Prince Japanese tennis site they are doing a CTS beam and the weight isn't what the Classic Graphite 100 is. Why would they release another Phantom in weight that is right by the 100X and 100P with CTS? Makes no sense to me. Also noticed that the Japanese market doesn't look to have the 100P. Have a bad feeling Prince will delay the release here in USA or the specs won't be on par. Real shame they couldn't stay with us here.
jbdbackfan
Semi-Pro
The 100X is more powerful. I got so used to the thin beams of the Classic Graphite 100 (19mm) and the thin CTS of the Phantom Pro 100 that the 22mm now in the 100X head seems large. As I've mentioned too, 100X doesn't seem to take weight well.
tennis347
Hall of Fame
I also found that the 100x didn't take well to adding weight which is the main reason I parted ways with it. Otherwise if you can play in stock form it is a good racquet. The 100x doesn't have enough plow or stability in stock form for heavy hitting.
jbdbackfan
Semi-Pro
Agree on both. To me, thats why the Classic Graphite 100 is the winner, with a starting static strung weight around 11.7oz, and sw around 320, you can add leather grip and some at 10 and 2 and still have it manageable. For me on the Graphite, I use hybrid string set up so the SW starting is probably closer to 313 or so, so with lead I get it to 12.2oz and sw around 320. Feels good.
The phantom 100X is grossly underrated (not by tw reviews). I finally got around to hitting with it and wow, it blows my Blade v.7 out of the water. Beats it in every category except for power and yes, that includes comfort. The gimmicky flex of the Blade didn't actually make the racquet softer, in fact, I get elbow pain from playing the Blade. Despite the 100X more open pattern, it has better control than the Blade 18x20. The flex of the Blade v.7 causes the same inconsistent response off the stringbed that I found in the Clash. It's just not as good as the Blade 2015. I can hit all out with the 100X with incredible precision and comfort. I'm switching to the 100X.
DJTaurus
Hall of Fame
The problem mate is that 2015 blade is still the king and I ve stocked many of these babies. Did you let it go ?
I did a while back. The problem is finding them with good QC.
tennis347
Hall of Fame
I have to agree that 100x 305 is definitely one of the best racquets Prince has made in a very long time. I did find it a little tension sensitive. Since the flex rating is low, it doesn't play well at higher tensions IMO. My issue is that it was a little light in stock form. It did play well with a little bit of weight at 12 but 2 and 10 as well as 3 and 9. Maybe it has to do with Twaron added at 10 and 2. In any event, I have been a Blade v7 98 16x19 user but realize that in match play I need something with a larger sweetspot and easier spin. The 100x 305 is definitely very easy to use! At 53, I understand that I don't have the same stamina to play in the heat. The 100x 305 is definitely easier to serve and return with. I am considering buying another one and stringing it up with a gut hybrid. I will add a couple of grams at 12 and to the butt of the handle to beef up the SW and plow!
Humble_Bear
New User
Really, I thought the Blade v7 18x20 has one of the best control in town. Did you have same string & tension?