Roddick's Loss Analysis
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bhallic24
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agreed. roddick was just pathetic. 50 aces? i know it went 5 sets but come on. Roddick lost faith in the end and didn't even try on some of the fed serves.
clayman2000
Hall of Fame
That guy had many faults in his stats.... and that fault is trying to analize a match completely on paper.
For example. His stats show that Roddick had more aces per 1st serve in his 1st 6 rounds than Fed. But remember that stat is based on the opponents they play. With the exception of Karlovic, Federer primarily played strong returners or strong baseliners (Kohl, Soderling, Garcia-Lopez) while Roddick primarily played big servers (Chardy, Melzer, Berdych) whos game is not meant for returning
Secondly, his stats are faulted because Federer is one of the best returners of fast servers, die to his chip tactic. Roddick easily knew this, which is why he hit so many more body serves. Remember, with Federer since his serve doesnt have Roddicks spin or pace, he must aim it better, resulting in more aces.
Roddick on the other hand has the ability to hit good body serves, use some crazy kick which is hard to read, and of course the ability to just blast it
A more important stat than aces is the % of returns in play, 2nd serve return UE's and serve forced errors.
Also to guy on the video made it seem like Roddick didnt step it up on returns. In my mind you cant step it up on returns because so much of it depends on your opponent. Unlike serving, you cant call upon a good return on will
Ultimately, Roddick lost the match because he couldnt take advantage of key leads. One was in the 2nd set tiebreak, and the other was when he had 2 BP's in the 5th
For example. His stats show that Roddick had more aces per 1st serve in his 1st 6 rounds than Fed. But remember that stat is based on the opponents they play. With the exception of Karlovic, Federer primarily played strong returners or strong baseliners (Kohl, Soderling, Garcia-Lopez) while Roddick primarily played big servers (Chardy, Melzer, Berdych) whos game is not meant for returning
Secondly, his stats are faulted because Federer is one of the best returners of fast servers, die to his chip tactic. Roddick easily knew this, which is why he hit so many more body serves. Remember, with Federer since his serve doesnt have Roddicks spin or pace, he must aim it better, resulting in more aces.
Roddick on the other hand has the ability to hit good body serves, use some crazy kick which is hard to read, and of course the ability to just blast it
A more important stat than aces is the % of returns in play, 2nd serve return UE's and serve forced errors.
Also to guy on the video made it seem like Roddick didnt step it up on returns. In my mind you cant step it up on returns because so much of it depends on your opponent. Unlike serving, you cant call upon a good return on will
Ultimately, Roddick lost the match because he couldnt take advantage of key leads. One was in the 2nd set tiebreak, and the other was when he had 2 BP's in the 5th
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Mentally, Fed had all the confidence in the world vs Roddick. In a very long 5th set, confidence is the key. (Also Rod doesn't put enough pressure on the return of serve)
Tennis_Bum
Professional
I am in agreement with your analysis about the crucial 2nd set tie break and the key 15-40 at 8-8 in the 5th.
Well, had Roddick converted one of those match points in the 2nd tie break, I seriously doubt that there would be a 5th set. Let alone a 15-40 at 8-8 while Fed was serving.
I don't know about Roddick, but if that was happening to me, I will be hurting for a while, long while. That sort of reminded me about the tie break those two had in Shanghai where Roddick slammed an overhead long and at match point and Fed came back to win the 2nd set tie break, and also the 3rd set in the round robin match. Roddick subsequently didn't make the semi in Shanghai master cup. Not the same magnitude but similar blunders in tiebreakers.
OddJack
G.O.A.T.
wwwhat?? you cant step up on return? Havnt you notice many players make their moves at 4-4 and 5-5 to get the set?
Roddick didnt even move on many of those serves, He sure could try to get his racket on the ball.
IvanAndreevich
Legend
Second set = NOT MATCH POINTS
And those complaining about Roddick not converting SP's in the second, remember about Fed not converting that sitter forehand in the first at 5-5 on BP.
And those complaining about Roddick not converting SP's in the second, remember about Fed not converting that sitter forehand in the first at 5-5 on BP.
Dilettante
Hall of Fame
He took Federer to a fifth in a Wimbledon final.
That's a pretty good perfomance in my book. Only Nadal did before.
That's a pretty good perfomance in my book. Only Nadal did before.
tennis_hand
Hall of Fame
Roddick has always been very lousy at returning serves.
he just stood there and not moving.
returning serve is the most important shot in tennis, more than serve,
because u only have 1 chance to return a serve, but u have 2 tries to serve.
he just stood there and not moving.
returning serve is the most important shot in tennis, more than serve,
because u only have 1 chance to return a serve, but u have 2 tries to serve.
clayman2000
Hall of Fame
Ya in a 1st or 2nd round match.... against the Bennetau's and Giquel's of the world.
And that usually happens when you get 1 or 2 good returns to start the game and you put all the pressure on your opponent.
And please dont comment about doing better on the return if you havent played tennis, because this is 1 area where many non players underestimate
One is a collective statistic over many rounds, another is a one match statistic.
The collective doesn't tell us anything about how they served per round. You could serve well in one round then bad the the next and so on, or you can be terrible in the first round and get progressively better as the tournament goes.
In the end, you can't really compare the two to be honest.
The collective doesn't tell us anything about how they served per round. You could serve well in one round then bad the the next and so on, or you can be terrible in the first round and get progressively better as the tournament goes.
In the end, you can't really compare the two to be honest.
Roddick broke Federer twice. Federer did not manage to break Roddick until the last game of the match.
Roddick failed to convert 4 set points in the 2nd set tie-break. It cost him the match.
Roddick cracked under pressure. He shanked the ball 4 times in the last game.
It's all to do with mental strength. Roddick did extremely well, but not quite enough to beat Fed.
Roddick failed to convert 4 set points in the 2nd set tie-break. It cost him the match.
Roddick cracked under pressure. He shanked the ball 4 times in the last game.
It's all to do with mental strength. Roddick did extremely well, but not quite enough to beat Fed.
And he was up 15-40 at 8-8 but Fed was just too strong for him. If Fed goes into the US Open with no more goals to achieve, I can't see him winning it.
Yellow_Fluff
New User
Fed was just clutch under pressure- he was 2 BP's down. A big serve and a drive volley follows. And same in the 2nd TB, a beautiful BH pass, then 2 consecutive big serves.
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