Roger Federer, an introvert???? Vote and give your reasons for voting

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Roger Federer, an introvert????

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  1. Tennis_Maestro

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    I find this quite remarkable and am actually in a state of shock.

    How this guy can ever be interpreted as being an introvert, I will never know, but one poster in another thread has suggested Federer is quite clearly an introvert.

    I jus cannot see this, what do you guys think?

    For me Roger Federer is the best player to give interviews, he is articulate, engages with the interviewer, shows eye-contact, shares a joke and acts very calm and looks much as ease whilst effortlessly showing charm. Surely anyone who feels this guy is introverted is absolutely insane...?

    Federer is probably one of the most down-to-earth World number 1s the game has ever had. Not every player needs to be like Aggasi to be regarded as an extrovert.

    EDIT: Before voting please remember you are not basing this on his "on-court" domineer.

    PS: Breaker (Mr Moderator) .. please do not delete my thread, there are several or so trolls lurking across this forum every day making useless threads which you do nothing about, I feel this makes a good discussion. Thanks.
     
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  2. Tennis_Maestro

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    You know what I honestly feel? You guys want to believe he is an "introvert" so you can feel you relate to him more. In the end that's what draw's people into becoming fans, not jus their appreciation for the entertainment value they bring to a sport, but also that ability to relate to the sports-athlete. I've opened your eyes a bit to another way of looking @ Federer as a person and its hurting you, atleast that's how it's coming across looking @ the unclassy reaction.
     
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  3. WhiskeyEE

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    Funny, I thought the same about you. I know what I believe. I don't need to start a poll to reinforce my opinion.
     
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    Too funny!
     
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    Those are not determiners of an extrovert.


    Djokovic is an extrovert. If you can't see the difference then you are blind.
     
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    Not reinforcing, simply trying to get a general consensus of things. I always deemed Federer as an extrovert and I've never gathered the feeling anyone would deem him anything other. So this is to get the a feel of the consensus. I won't be changing my opinion, I can assure you of that, perhaps re-evaluating, but not changing.

    PS: I'm not fan-boy of his, read my signature.
     
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  7. Hood_Man

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    A lot of famous actors and performers are introverts. Introverts can be incredibly outgoing at parties or social events, they just want to go home straight afterwards.

    How someone performs in an interview or in a media event, has no bearing on their personality.
     
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    Djokovic is an extrovert, but you don't have to act all flamboyant and pantomime villain like to be an extrovert, Djokovic jus so happens to be this way on court.

    Again, it seems you guys are confusing a player's "oncourt" domineer for their actual "personalities".
     
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    So what you are saying is Federer is a performer? He performs in-front of the camera? This natural calmness and effortless way of being very informative and opinionated is all a show, its something he'd rather do more without and instead be off playing husband and daddy @ home?

    I have NEVER seen someone ENJOY giving an interview as much as I have Federer, he genuinely enjoys giving them.
     
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  10. Hood_Man

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    No.


    10Nos
     
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  11. 90's Clay

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    Arrogant, aloof, introverted, stubborn.. Definitely doesn't strike me as someone who came from humble beginnings and was the most down to earth guy you would ever meet
     
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    Well help me out here, you jus said, I'll quote..

    ...explain to me where you get this feeling^ from? All the interviews I've seen him give, he's looks like he is relishing the moment.
     
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    On-court, may be. Ofcourt, not in the slightest.
     
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    I always connected with the type of guy like Djoker.. You can tell he came from more humble beginnings and was more of a guy you see that came from a war-torn country like Serbia.. He seems WAY more down to earth then someone like Fed.

    Fed strikes me as someone who grew up well to do, with a silver spoon in his mouth from the minute he was born.. I could never connect with anyone like that
     
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    Introverts aren't just quiet people, they can talk for hours and hours. Once you find a subject that interests them it can be difficult to get them to be quiet :p It's just the small talk that can be tricky.

    For example, a tennis player talking about tennis.
     
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    Nobody on here knows Federer. How would you know his personality away from the game?
     
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    I don't know if Federer is an Introvert or not by the way. In fact I'm kind of leaning towards "not."

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    It's not a case of having to be in one group or the other mind, I'm sure most people have some traits from either group.
     
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    Surprising post


    This is a very surprising post for a number of reasons.

    1/ It implies that being an introvert is a bad thing. Like being a bore or socially incompetent. Being an introvert can be a really good thing.

    2/ What has being articulate got anything to do with being introverted or extraverted? Introversion and Extraversion refer to the context in which you regain emotional energy. Introverts like having time by themselves and extroverts need other people to feel re-energized. But this says nothing about their ability to converse or be articulate.

    3/ Where does it say that Federer is an introvert to start with? (If somewhere it does - then being an Introvert is not a bad thing - it is a good thing). I highly doubt that Federer is an Introvert - but not for the reasons you are giving but because he seems to be energized being around people.

    Can I highly recommend the watching of this TED video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0KYU2j0TM4

    Note the speaker - despite being an introvert is quite articulate. It's really informative about introversion in an engaging way.
     
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  19. norbac

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    You can really tell it's the week after a Slam, huh?
     
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  20. smoledman

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    Federer grew up in a middle class household. No silver spoon! In fact it's Nadal who grew up in riches.
     
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    When a young Mirka was consoling Fed after his bronze match loss at Sydney 2000, Fed did not let her go to her room , even late at night in the olympic village.

    This was one of the first meetings of the two..

    That doesnt sound introvert to me.. latching on to people.
     
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    Introvert.

    Surely there is a spectrum of personality types with say a Laconte or McEnroe towards the highly extroverted side and players like Ferrer and Rafter towards the highly introverted. Federer seems to be a relatively quietly spoken and reserved guy which points towards introversion. This doesn’t mean he’s unconfident or unsure of himself but that he is just a more inward person. I’d say pretty much the same about Nadal from what I’ve seen.

    Who do you think would be more fun to go the pub with? Federer or Djokovic or Safin or… I think he’d be a great person to have a chat in a café with about the finer points of the game and life in general but I can’t imagine him chugging down a few pints and pulling an air guitar on the pool table. That’s not a criticism just the way some cats are built. It is especially odd in his case I guess because his game style is almost fully extrovert.
     
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    Federer is definitely not an introvert.

    During interviews when asked a question , he will give lengthy answers with lots of emotions - smile, anger, wit, giggle, etc., - definitely those are not traits of introvert.

    With Nadal or Murray - they will just answer to the question

    Novak is the other extreme - pulling jokes, inciting crowd, imitating people, war cry, etc., Those are extreme, but Federer is without doubt an extrovert.

    Just because he says he likes family time, that shouldnt cloud your opinion.

    He talks at length on a wide variety of topics including culture, sports, charity. His ads also show his personality very well. (Lindt)

    He advocates for the tour and has a prominent role in the ATP council , rallies the players. Well liked by all his peers.

    He doesnt mumble on the court when some thing is not to his liking and is not afraid to speak up - bad call by umpire, yelling by fan, etc.,
     
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    JFK talked at length on a wide variety of topics. He was an introvert. Clearly, not an indication of ones personality type.
     
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  25. 90's Clay

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    I agree.. Sounds like an insecure nut job:?
     
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    This man gets it. :) Good job dude, thought no one else besides me would.
     
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    Remove me from the bottom part of your first post. I'm not a mod and don't even report your posts, they get deleted by themselves for being abrasive.
     
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    Outgoing at parties, yet classified as introvert based on the kind of party ?

    If someone is an introvert generally, even in a known setting they will be just 'normal', not 'outgoing' and leave alone 'Incredibly Outgoing'.
     
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    From Myers Briggs typology- it is my belief that Roger is an INTJ.

    Introvert- On interviews, he clearly wants to do them graciously, and then get the hell out of there.

    Intuitive- Sees the big picture, sums up his matches in interviews as an outsider looking in.

    Thinking- Backs up everything he says with logical reasoning.

    Judging- Always makes clear his specific judgments on tennis headlines, other players.

    From Wikipedia:

    "INTJs are one of the rarest of the sixteen personality types, and account for about 1–4% of the population." Rare tennis style

    "Nevertheless, INTJs are prepared to lead if no one else seems up to the task, or if they see a major weakness in the current leadership." Took over ATP Players Council

    "They are often acutely aware of their own knowledge and abilities—as well as their limitations and what they don't know(...). INTJs thus develop a strong confidence in their ability and talents(...)." An ideal trait tennis trait

    From Personalitypage.com:

    "When under a great deal of stress, the INTJ may become obsessed with mindless repetitive, Sensate activities, such as over-drinking. They may also tend to become absorbed with minutia and details that they would not normally consider important to their overall goal." When a match isn't going well for Fed, he starts to blast everything and become ********! lol

    "INTJs live in the world of ideas and strategic planning."Another trait great for tennis matches

    "Others may falsely perceive the INTJ as being rigid and set in their ways. Nothing could be further from the truth, because the INTJ is committed to always finding the objective best strategy to implement their ideas. The INTJ is usually quite open to hearing an alternative way of doing something." Change to a 95" dammit!

    "INTJs have a tremendous amount of ability to accomplish great things."Duh 17 slams
     
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    Who, Sampras?
     
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    I voted no because his manner of interacting with people reminds me of Bill Clinton's. They both are outwardly affable though Clinton, I would say, is a bit more gregarious with his non-verbal communication; but when either of them opens his mouth it becomes apparent almost immediately how opinionated and articulate they both are, and so, both guys to my mind are the type of person who seems to wear his learning somewhat quietly yet who, despite that, often cannot help but come across as the brightest guy in most any room. They both have positive charisma, they know how to use it, and this indicates being more extrovert than introvert IMO. Roger used to throw tantrums as a kid--he sought the attention acting that way could offer; but then he realized that such a self-image was not so good for him or his tennis. The point is that introverts do not tend to seek attention.
     
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    domineer is not a noun.
     
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    Federer, like Sampras is introvert. The difference is Federer at least tries to be friendly and outgoing with the media.
     
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    The OP makes it seem like being an Introvert is a bad thing or something... I could see Federer being an introvert, but really, it doesn't matter. He is very professional in public, but in private, he might be one of the most social in his group.
     
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    definition of an introvert:a shy, reticent, and typically self-centered person.
    • Psychology: a person predominantly concerned with their own thoughts and feelings rather than with external things.

    I don't think federer is either an introvert or an extravert - my profession is psychology haha. I think he appears to be extraverted most of the time, but that might just be because he wants to please fans and the media etc. On the contrary I believe he would have to be quite introspective as he would constantly be analysing his game, fitness, thoughts etc. His family always says that as a child he couldn't sit still and always had to be doing something. This can be related to his need for external stimulation.
     
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    Exactly why I believe him to be an INTJ with high Se. (great for sports).
     
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    He clearly is an introvert with good social skills and a more than healthy narcissism, which can make him look extroverted perhaps. You always get the feeling that there's a lot more going on in his head than what he shows...
     
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  38. helloworld

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    You are spot on. There is definitely a lot more in his head than he is showing, which is a sign of being an introvert.
     
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    This is why I think he's an introvert as well. It's also what I meant by him seeming 'inside of his head' in the other thread.

    People in this thread, especially the OP, don't understand what introversion is. It has to do with your state of mind and thought processes, not necessarily your behaviour. Although introverts tend to be less out going, among other things.
     
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    just because someone is good at interviews doesnt mean he is automatically an extrovert. i heard somewhere that stephen colbert is actually really awkward in real life. same goes for quite a few actors out there.
     
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    You don't have to be either an introvert or an extravert. The extraversion scale works on a continuum. You can be somewhere in the middle - like federer. As someone said previously, almost everyone would agree that djokovic is an extravert and Ferrer is an introvert. Therefore what would Federer be if no one can agree on what he is?
     
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    tennis maestro has been creating threads out of responses of other people in other threads, instead of using the Reply button and getting on with life.

    He gets worked up if he doesn't agree with a post, and creates a fresh thread to debate it.


    On topic:
    I frankly don't give a darn what Federer is.
     
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    I think Federer is an ambivert.
     
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    Federer is definitely an introvert. Extroverts wear their hearts on their sleeves. Federer's face doesn't even flinch when he's cracking a forehand. Lets be real here people.
     
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    I don't know what federer is for sure, but it is very hard to spot an introvert unless you are one or the person is painfully obvious about it. It becomes even more difficult the further away on the introvert/extrovert spectrum you are.

    Extreme extroverts tend to think of introverts only as being shy and reserved people (think Sampras).

    Moderate people are able to better identify both sides of the spectrum.

    Introverts often can better identify introverts due to their understanding of their own tendencies. People unlike them often appear to just be extroverts.

    For instance, an extreme extrovert envisions his ideal time involving social interactions. A typical introvert could feel the same way, but it would probably be more specific to a small number of people. Extreme introverts may only interact socially because they know they should or have to (the world has become very biased toward extrovert behavior). These same people would probably find more joy in spending a lot of time alone.

    Personally, I interact well with others because I have learned to do so. Deep down, it is painful to interact with new people and stressful to be in medium to large sized groups. I don't like communicating my thoughts and opinions except to very close friends, but I have no problem rambling on and on about things I am excited about when I feel like people are truly interested. I could probably spend years with only another person or two and be perfectly happy.


    I personally see federer in as fairly moderate or slightly introverted. It is almost impossible to tell because he has been in the spotlight for so long that he has learned a specific way to interact and present himself. Fans rarely see him in his typical state of behavior because he is always busy with tennis.

    The power of introverts ted talk for anyone interested : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0KYU2j0TM4
     
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    Nice GoalaSSo! I like how you said you interact well with people in medium/large groups because you have learned to do so, not because you enjoy it. Also, that you could live the rest of your life with only 2 other people if it were possible. You really nailed it. I think its possible Federer could have this tendency, but who really knows?
     
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    Yes, on an other note djoker seems to be least arrogant among the big 3 outside tennis courts ofcourse.

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    My vote is introvert. Biggest clue? How he handles his tennis, especially on court.

    Introverts are inwardly focused. Federer never looks at his box, never talks to his box. He tries to figure it out himself. He didn't even have a coach for so many years.

    Extroverts are outwardly focused, like Nadal and Djokovic, always talking to their box, always looking to their box for support.

    The ability to give good answers in an interview is related to intelligence, not introversion or extroversion. Big misconceptions here in this thread.
     
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    Introvert does not mean shy. Federer, Nadal, Sampras, Murray are introverts. Djokovic, Roddick, McEnroe, Agassi are extroverts.
     
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    @ atac "Introvert does not mean shy." - yes, shy is usually seen as one aspect of introversion. That is a definition from the "New Oxford American Dictionary". I think the first part is a general definition and the second part is a definition specific to psychology.
     
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