Serving practice: how many serves?

Osteo UK

Rookie
I have some time tomorrow to head out to the court on my own and will hit some serves - mainly because what was once a weapon (heavy, swift, reasonably accurate) is now just "consistent" and I am no longer confident to hit out. I want to be able to find that pace when I need it again, so I will experiment.

In the past I have hit 100 serves of my choosing, but this is arbitrary. What suggestions with regards to fatigue and the development of poorer technique are we aware of?

Do I stop at 100? 200? 30 minutes? More? Less? I am quite happy to make the most of the time I have.
 

Bungalo Bill

G.O.A.T.
Osteo UK said:
I have some time tomorrow to head out to the court on my own and will hit some serves - mainly because what was once a weapon (heavy, swift, reasonably accurate) is now just "consistent" and I am no longer confident to hit out. I want to be able to find that pace when I need it again, so I will experiment.

In the past I have hit 100 serves of my choosing, but this is arbitrary. What suggestions with regards to fatigue and the development of poorer technique are we aware of?

Do I stop at 100? 200? 30 minutes? More? Less? I am quite happy to make the most of the time I have.

If you haven't hit serves in awhile about 100 balls is plenty or about 20 minutes of practice. Work your way up to an hour.
 

Osteo UK

Rookie
Bungalo Bill said:
If you haven't hit serves in awhile about 100 balls is plenty or about 20 minutes of practice. Work your way up to an hour.

I play three times per week, but haven't had a "serving session" for 6-8 months.
 
I served for about 30 minutes tonight. I need all the practice I can get, seeing as I'll be playing #1 singles this year. :?

I don't have a second serve though..right now I just use the same serve for both which leads to double faults. I need to acquire a kick/twist serve.
 

Bungalo Bill

G.O.A.T.
Osteo UK said:
I play three times per week, but haven't had a "serving session" for 6-8 months.

That is okay, as long as your arms and shoulders are in some sort of tennis conditioning then you are fine.

Hit 150 quality serves or about 30-35 minutes of practice for the first month. Work on your serves twice a week. After the session work on some light flexibility exercises.

After a month, go 200 or 45 minutes. Use the other 15 minutes and learn some good flexibility exercises/stretching.
 

Shinichi

Rookie
AceYouVeryMuch said:
I served for about 30 minutes tonight. I need all the practice I can get, seeing as I'll be playing #1 singles this year. :?

I don't have a second serve though..right now I just use the same serve for both which leads to double faults. I need to acquire a kick/twist serve.

just use 50% force in your second serve for now.
 

Pomeranian

Semi-Pro
I've been working on my 2nd serve, since it's such an important part of anyone's game. I'm not very articulate with words imagine a topspin groundstroke. If you want to hit flat or hit with lots of topspin, you swing the same speed. The difference is, a topspin lets you have more height clearence, while a flat has more power though you swung the same speed. You want to be able to swing the same speed for your 2nd serve, or faster, while getting great consistancy.

The key to 2nd serves is being able brush the ball and giving it good net clearence. Here is a great video that can help you get the right kind of spin to make it easy to bring the ball into the court.

http://www.tomavery.com/video_clips/52859.mov

Once you hit the spin you want, you can make adjustments to make it more consistant. (Don't worry about the how much the ball kicks until you can consistantly hit the ball in with topspin or twist) If the ball goes long, you didn't brush it enough. If the ball goes into the net, it helps to toss a little more behind you, although hitting into the net can be caused a number of things. If you can get good net clearence but not the brushing motion to keep it in, try moving closer to a backhand eastern grip. The other important thing about a 2nd serve is your ability to place it.

Check out the sticky for better advice on how to hit a topspin or twist serve. Good luck on # 1 singles.
 

Osteo UK

Rookie
Bungalo Bill said:
That is okay, as long as your arms and shoulders are in some sort of tennis conditioning then you are fine.

Hit 150 quality serves or about 30-35 minutes of practice for the first month. Work on your serves twice a week. After the session work on some light flexibility exercises.

After a month, go 200 or 45 minutes. Use the other 15 minutes and learn some good flexibility exercises/stretching.

Now this is the reason why we use this forum - clear, concise plans to experiment with.

Ta! ;)
 

Amone

Hall of Fame
You know, my high school coach remarked a couple of months ago that he advised, if you REALLY wanted to get a better serve, and FAST, then you want to hit a thousand. Because while your arm would hurt you'd be a lot better
 

Osteo UK

Rookie
Amone said:
You know, my high school coach remarked a couple of months ago that he advised, if you REALLY wanted to get a better serve, and FAST, then you want to hit a thousand. Because while your arm would hurt you'd be a lot better

I work in healthcare and there is always a balance to be found. "Practice makes permanent" (not "practice makes perfect"), but with the many sportsmen/athletes there is often a decision to be made if potentially carrying an injury:

Will you get a better performance from training more and making your injury worse and not being able to fire at 100%?

OR

Will you get a better performance by training less, letting your injury settle down, knowing you will not be limited by pain when you compete?

Always tricky, but the answer is usually somewhere in between.

Just came back from hitting 100 serves in 30 minutes. Made me think, made me realise and no pain during or directly after - have a mild ache now in arm/shoulder, which I will keep an eye on. Enjoyed it.
 

simi

Hall of Fame
Did a workout with the ball machine last night. What I did was after the ball machine hopper emptied, was go turn off the machine and then any balls that were on my side of the net, I picked up and used for serve practice. Continued until all the balls were on the same side of the net at which time they were picked up and placed back into the ball machine hopper for another round. Mustn't have had a very good evening because I ended up getting a lot of serve practice. Then again, I was working on something specific, so was dumping a lot of balls into the net.
 

ask1ed

Semi-Pro
Bungalo Bill said:
That is okay, as long as your arms and shoulders are in some sort of tennis conditioning then you are fine.

Hit 150 quality serves or about 30-35 minutes of practice for the first month. Work on your serves twice a week. After the session work on some light flexibility exercises.

After a month, go 200 or 45 minutes. Use the other 15 minutes and learn some good flexibility exercises/stretching.


This is good advice. You need to watch your body for injuries, esp on serve practice. Don't overdo it. Shoulder, te, lower back, neck, stomach, hamstring all are vulnerable if you over do it. Put cans out on the lines and aim for them. Ask yourself to hit the can in your mind. Then hit it.

YOu're only as good as your second serve. YOu need to practice all the second serve types to all parts of both boxes, slice, topslice, topspin, kick, with fast racquet speed. MOst slow down their stick speed on 2nds, just to get it it, and sacrifice the advantage the serve gives you. A deadly 2nd will make you a deadly player. Play some matches where you only hit 2nds.
 

Amone

Hall of Fame
When I say that your arm would hurt, I mean that it might take 2 hours even if you just had a bunch of carts full of balls, and never once had to pick the balls up, and that within two hours that soreness would begin to really get to you. The fact of the matter is that you're right. Practice makes permanent, but at the same, practice makes perfect what you're doing. In other words, if I have an ugly, ineffectice, dinky serve, then after a thousand balls, it'd be really hard to get rid of. But my first serve percentage would be in the high 90s, because the nature of that serve is that it's killable, but hard to miss once you've used it for a bit. And after a thousand balls, you start to "embellish" your motion little by little, until it becomes still-ineffective, but the target, getting the ball into the box [I used a dink serve for almost a year before throwing it away completely, so I say the target with a dink is to get the first serve in from experience] would be almost completely met. With a more difficult serve, like a flat serve then your speed might go up after three days of 1000-ball stints, because it DOES build muscle to exert it, even overexert it, as long as you don't tear anything, and your accuracy might only go up very slightly after 1 day. But after two weeks, you would likely have embellished it to the point that you have the percentage of someone who frequently sliced it: not really any room for safety, per se, as a kick might offer, but not especially bad.

The idea that you have a high percentage after a week or so, perhaps you could move up to serving accurately; three traffic cones in the different zones, or whatnot.

The whole idea here, though, is theoretical. Perhaps in a few weeks I will test it, but not until I've gotten myself a week or so to recover afterwards, and a few days between training excercises, which I won't have until june. During that time, I'll write up a plan, and certainly make it public, though I don't think anyone would be very interested.
 

Osteo UK

Rookie
Amone said:
The whole idea here, though, is theoretical. Perhaps in a few weeks I will test it, but not until I've gotten myself a week or so to recover afterwards, and a few days between training excercises, which I won't have until june. During that time, I'll write up a plan, and certainly make it public, though I don't think anyone would be very interested.

You might be surprised who would be interested. Many times, the people who do not want to hear something new, are those that are eventually left behind. Try and review your experience as impartially as you can and let us know.
 

Amone

Hall of Fame
Well, I'll publish the data seperately from my personal notes, but they're both very important. If it's actually interesting, I'll have to start up a web site for it sooner than I thought.

Um. I guess, if anyone cares, and I don't have a link in my signature yet, then you can e-mail me at soulcutterx13@yahoo.com, and I'll put you on a list for the web address to get the specifics of the test.
 

Bungalo Bill

G.O.A.T.
Amone said:
The fact of the matter is that you're right. Practice makes permanent, but at the same, practice makes perfect what you're doing. In other words, if I have an ugly, ineffectice, dinky serve, then after a thousand balls, it'd be really hard to get rid of.

You have a very good point here Amone. Good job! This was a very intelligent post. I would be interested in your plan.

But now that you offered your advice, how would you suggest the poster improve his serve?
 

Amone

Hall of Fame
Yay! Bill said I was smart (Well.. I talk smart sometimes)! On the note I was playing before, I've started work on the website. The information I cited to you in the footwork post, Bill, about roddick's toss height, will be going up shortly in its simplest form (none of the pixel counts I listed in that post), though I haven't had long to set it up, so quite a bit of the page is still in it's default form. It's at http://tennistheorytests.5u.com/
 

Bungalo Bill

G.O.A.T.
Amone said:
Yay! Bill said I was smart (Well.. I talk smart sometimes)! On the note I was playing before, I've started work on the website. The information I cited to you in the footwork post, Bill, about roddick's toss height, will be going up shortly in its simplest form (none of the pixel counts I listed in that post), though I haven't had long to set it up, so quite a bit of the page is still in it's default form. It's at http://tennistheorytests.5u.com/

Well, I dont know if you got my response to you on that, but I agreed with your response. Roddick's toss is well into the court so he would have to toss higher to allow himself time to hit the ball. Very good analysis.

What is the purpose of the thousand serve a day test? What criteria will you use to evaluate your strokes against pro strokes? Did you know there is already criteria to use?
 

Amone

Hall of Fame
Is there? I was planning on referencing the servers that I have used for my reference with the same or a similar motion (Taylor Dent, Goran Ivenisevic, Pete Sampras) and comparing based on the notes I have already begun to take on their services, noting things such as shoulder twist, knee bend, ball height, and whatever else I have noted. However, if there IS a criterium already in place, then I shall certainly retake my notes where they are lacking and use that! Would it be a bother to tell me about it?

And yes, I got that response, but I'm trying something new called "Not talking just to have the last word," and since there was nothing less to say, I said nothing. That was far more graceful than some debates I have had, and it seems more than some you have had as well, and I have to say that while your and my opinions differed, that whole conversation was rather mind-opening; I don't really see at this point where people get off saying it's IMPOSSIBLE to disagree with you. You just have to prove it, which I'll grant most points are difficult to prove. I find that easy to understand because I'm like that, too... ^_^;;

EDIT: Oh, and I missed the second part of your post. What I would advise really depends on what kind of serve he has, and how tall he is. If he's a shorty like me and he's serving flat, I'd suggest that he start hitting pacey topspin serves, and in that case that he have a sharp shoulder turn by going out of his way to raise his tossing shoulder as high as possible. If he's tall and hits flat, then I'd tell him to perhaps not go so much for that shoulder twist, and more go for hard, early pronation, like a put-away overhead would be. But obviously, as my new pet project demonstrates, my real love lies in consistency and percentage, so if he's hitting that slice, then that might be okay to risk, but topspin should be accurate and safely placed, and with a flat serve, perhaps dial that down until he has a good consistency for the various zones and getting in the box at all.
 

Bungalo Bill

G.O.A.T.
Amone said:
Is there? I was planning on referencing the servers that I have used for my reference with the same or a similar motion (Taylor Dent, Goran Ivenisevic, Pete Sampras) and comparing based on the notes I have already begun to take on their services, noting things such as shoulder twist, knee bend, ball height, and whatever else I have noted. However, if there IS a criterium already in place, then I shall certainly retake my notes where they are lacking and use that! Would it be a bother to tell me about it?

And yes, I got that response, but I'm trying something new called "Not talking just to have the last word," and since there was nothing less to say, I said nothing. That was far more graceful than some debates I have had, and it seems more than some you have had as well, and I have to say that while your and my opinions differed, that whole conversation was rather mind-opening; I don't really see at this point where people get off saying it's IMPOSSIBLE to disagree with you. You just have to prove it, which I'll grant most points are difficult to prove. I find that easy to understand because I'm like that, too... ^_^;;

EDIT: Oh, and I missed the second part of your post. What I would advise really depends on what kind of serve he has, and how tall he is. If he's a shorty like me and he's serving flat, I'd suggest that he start hitting pacey topspin serves, and in that case that he have a sharp shoulder turn by going out of his way to raise his tossing shoulder as high as possible. If he's tall and hits flat, then I'd tell him to perhaps not go so much for that shoulder twist, and more go for hard, early pronation, like a put-away overhead would be. But obviously, as my new pet project demonstrates, my real love lies in consistency and percentage, so if he's hitting that slice, then that might be okay to risk, but topspin should be accurate and safely placed, and with a flat serve, perhaps dial that down until he has a good consistency for the various zones and getting in the box at all.

What you need to do is break down the serve and then focus on key aspects of the serve. This will allow someone to grow and develop their style based on your recommendations. You have to be able to seperate preferences and styles that are within guidelines from the core elements all serves need to have. It sounds like you are on your way to discovering that.

The abbreviated motion and the classic motion are both acceptable serving motions. Both have strengths and weaknesses. Both need to be understood.

Always consider the power the brain has in "filling in the blanks". That way, you keep your recommendations simple and easy to execute. As far as comparing one pro vs. another, being technical is fine. But everyone at the pro level serves within their own limitations some being imposed (small aspects of the form need more developing) or unimposed (maximizing what God gave them).

As far as recommending what serve to hit, everyone should be putting some topspin on their serves both for the 1st and 2nd serve (even a slice should be hit properly for net clearance) to increase their serve percentage. Going for flat serves (even for someone at my hieght, 6' 2") is risky. :)
 

Amone

Hall of Fame
Well, as far as the topspin goes, yeah. But I mean, I was at practice today, hitting serves for about half an hour where I actually learned something, for once, and after that learning, I was hitting surprisingly fast topspin serves, but the spin seemed really heavy compared to my usual topspin serve that's all spin. So that's what I meant, was that if you want it to be fast and you're short, then get your body nice and coiled, and then unload on pacey top.

That's basically what I've been doing, to be honest. I'm not so good at the in-depth stuff like you did before, where his butt moved inside or something. I looked into the footwork and just noted three reference points and said what they did with their feet in it, which makes the whole thing really fundamental. That's why I can say that I serve "similarly to Sampras," because I just looked at those reference points, and noticed that they were comfortable for me to perform as well, so I made the adjustments I needed to, and (practically) the next day I had "really good form."

Now, I was reading an article, I believe written by TennisMastery, about fundamental grips for the different strokes, where it discusses the idea of "flourishes," and that one might flourish, say an eastern backhand on serve to be more or less extreme, if you want more or less spin, or whatnot. And of course, I'm not going to be serving like Rusedski because I don't do that. After this experiment, then it'll have one trial of data, but I don't know anyone else who would put in that kind of work.
There's also a problem in that I'm worried with that kind of work that as Osteo hinted at, there is a slight risk of injury; your rotator cuff is quit susceptible, and my lower back sometimes has muscle soreness from less work than should cause that kind of soreness. Luckily, the back problem has mostly gone away, except when I hyperextend my back (such as when reaching for an overhead that a person who's 5'6" would have trouble reaching), which I don't do in my service motion.
 

dickbarney

New User
I would suggest that the primary issue is quality of serves not quantity. Personally, I find that if I practice with a bucket of balls that I don't value each serve and therefore don't fix any problems. I switched to practicing with only 3 balls and using the walk to the other end of the court to analyze and think about my serve. I stop practicing when I have problems maintaining concentration because then I am practicing and re-enforcing the bad behavior that the practice was intended to fix.
 

Amone

Hall of Fame
Obviously, that's true, dick b. The fact of the matter is (or seems to be) that most people are not good at self-analysis, and learn things in "epipheny" moments which take place not in a moment of THINKING, but a moment of DOING. For instance, I gained a signifigant shoulder turn last afternoon while serving a bucket of probably only 50 balls. I developed a topspin serve in about an hour a month ago, hitting serves and rallying. The only signifigant thing that paying close attention and analyzing can do is cleaning up the form. If there should be a higher toss, for instance, then a video can tell you where your eyes can't. If you're shifting your weight back while you hit, a video can tell you where your body might not notice. But the problem is that people really don't know where their limbs are, so if you tell them to turn their shoulders hard, then they'll tell you they are until they gain a feeling for a signifigant shoulder turn. You can tell someone something a hundred times, but they won't learn it until it's on their own.
 

Osteo UK

Rookie
dickbarney said:
I would suggest that the primary issue is quality of serves not quantity. Personally, I find that if I practice with a bucket of balls that I don't value each serve and therefore don't fix any problems. I switched to practicing with only 3 balls and using the walk to the other end of the court to analyze and think about my serve. I stop practicing when I have problems maintaining concentration because then I am practicing and re-enforcing the bad behavior that the practice was intended to fix.

I used 10 balls aiming to the side where the fence is, hitting 4 consecutively down the T, 4 wide and 2 "optional". Then I walked to the other side (after having a quick swig on my drink) and went to the other corner into the fence.
 

chess9

Hall of Fame
I agree with this quality analysis. Service form can drift faster than a pretty girlfriend.

-Robert
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ask1ed

Semi-Pro
It's essential to video your serve. Then you will see how the chain is broken. You will see the lack of stick speed. You will see the lack of knee bend. You will see how far back the toss is and its consistency and height. You will see the lack of shoulder coil and wrist snap pronation and rhythm.
 

tonysk83

Semi-Pro
You said you don't have a second serve, when really, that is your most important serve. You should start off working on a topspin second serve, once you can get it in 9 times out of 10, then you can turn that 2nd serve into a first by hitting out and not up as much. I only had a topspin second serve for quite sometime, but now my 2nd serve is very good and isn't a liability. Not to mention I can really hit my 1st serve because I don't worry about double faulting.
 

jackson vile

G.O.A.T.
Numbers are arbitrary 100, 200, 300, .... oh man the numbers just keep gonig up


What you need to do is to serve until you are no longer able to proper place the shot with comfort. If you are to tired there is no point of you being there as you are just wasting your time them and increase your chance of an injury.

Further you should not be guaging your progress on time or number of serves rather by your increase to your goals spin, jump, heavyness, pace, placement, ect

More it not always better and if you are not careful can set you back.
 

Bungalo Bill

G.O.A.T.
jackson vile said:
Numbers are arbitrary 100, 200, 300, .... oh man the numbers just keep gonig up

Actually numbers are good! They mean a lot in a lot of different ways!

What you need to do is to serve until you are no longer able to proper place the shot with comfort. If you are to tired there is no point of you being there as you are just wasting your time them and increase your chance of an injury.

Nobody needs to serve until they are tired to get a good serving session in. The key to a good serving session is to hit enough balls to develop a smooth serving motion. Nobody has to get tired to do so. A smooth serving motion leads to delivering more power or acceleration which is also complimented by the particular serve being achieved.

The key to serving is engraining good motion and removing hitches. This does not come in the form of a practice till your tired mentality. It comes in the form of a quality practice that is done several times a week for several months.

Further you should not be guaging your progress on time or number of serves rather by your increase to your goals spin, jump, heavyness, pace, placement, ect

Well that is the whole point to serving isn't it? Whether someone has hit 100 balls, 200 balls, or 1000 balls, the goal is to emphasize form and develop the specific serve in the areas of consistency, spin, power, and placement.

A player does not need to get tired to learn to serve properly and achieve their goals.

More it not always better and if you are not careful can set you back.

But you just said to get tired? How do you know when? Usually people have access to baskets of balls that can hold 100 balls. Hitting one or two for starters is good. Do you have any clue what you are saying?
 

dickbarney

New User
I totally agree with video taping your serve-it just wasn't the question

Amone said:
Obviously, that's true, dick b. The fact of the matter is (or seems to be) that most people are not good at self-analysis, and learn things in "epipheny" moments which take place not in a moment of THINKING, but a moment of DOING. For instance, I gained a signifigant shoulder turn last afternoon while serving a bucket of probably only 50 balls. I developed a topspin serve in about an hour a month ago, hitting serves and rallying. The only signifigant thing that paying close attention and analyzing can do is cleaning up the form. If there should be a higher toss, for instance, then a video can tell you where your eyes can't. If you're shifting your weight back while you hit, a video can tell you where your body might not notice. But the problem is that people really don't know where their limbs are, so if you tell them to turn their shoulders hard, then they'll tell you they are until they gain a feeling for a signifigant shoulder turn. You can tell someone something a hundred times, but they won't learn it until it's on their own.

I totally agree with video taping your own serve. I do that once a week with my father. I think that it is also important to have a model to emulate such as a commercial video or an on-line video. Video taping and a model are critical for self-analysis.

My comment was limited to the original question of how-many serves.
 

Amone

Hall of Fame
Ah, you're right, Dick. Excuse me, I took it in the context of the conversation and not the discussion that was likely my mistake. I'll watch that next time.
 

jackson vile

G.O.A.T.
Bungalo Bill said:
Actually numbers are good! They mean a lot in a lot of different ways!



Nobody needs to serve until they are tired to get a good serving session in. The key to a good serving session is to hit enough balls to develop a smooth serving motion. Nobody has to get tired to do so. A smooth serving motion leads to delivering more power or acceleration which is also complimented by the particular serve being achieved.

The key to serving is engraining good motion and removing hitches. This does not come in the form of a practice till your tired mentality. It comes in the form of a quality practice that is done several times a week for several months.



Well that is the whole point to serving isn't it? Whether someone has hit 100 balls, 200 balls, or 1000 balls, the goal is to emphasize form and develop the specific serve in the areas of consistency, spin, power, and placement.

A player does not need to get tired to learn to serve properly and achieve their goals.



But you just said to get tired? How do you know when? Usually people have access to baskets of balls that can hold 100 balls. Hitting one or two for starters is good. Do you have any clue what you are saying?




Never said to serve until you get tired, re-read, I said not to do that, if your serves are getting out of control or you are getting fatigued then you need to stop. Ie you need to serve as many times as you can with what you feel good with, if you feel it is too many don't do it, you feel you need more keep going unless you are becoming fatigued.

I'm really not sure what your points are and it is a waste of space really as you aren't even addressing my points you are just making stuff up.


Like I said don't guage your succes by the number of balls you hit rather by what you are seeking ie placment, spin, speed, ect


Numbers are only as important as you make them and if you get into a number game you will lose, if you feel on or that you have got it then that is it, numbers don't help with that.


Do you understand that? Or do you need me to type it again Bunhole B***
 

Bungalo Bill

G.O.A.T.
jackson vile said:
...Like I said don't guage your succes by the number of balls you hit rather by what you are seeking ie placment, spin, speed, ect

Numbers are extremely important, it is how we set goals, and measure improvement. Where in the world have you been? When we said hit a hundred balls or so, it doesn't mean you go out and count them. If you took it that way you are one dumb guy. It simply means to go hit a basket of balls and if you can hit more, hit more! LOL

Numbers are only as important as you make them and if you get into a number game you will lose, if you feel on or that you have got it then that is it, numbers don't help with that.

So I guess trying to set goals on a certain amount of doubles faults is not important to you. That way you never know what you need to improve on. I guess not knowing how many errors you made on the forehand side compared to the backhand side is not important to setup a meaningful practice. That is pretty much the dumbest thing I have heard.

I guess the pros dont need to know how they did so they can go blindly about their business like you and play at a 2.5 level wondering why you never improve! LOL Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.


Do you understand that? Or do you need me to type it again Bunhole B***

Ahhhhhh the name calling comes out. LOL, keep it coming rookie.

Numbers aren't important, that's a good one. That has to have made the all time best at TW. Best I have heard in years...
 

Slazenger

Professional
Going to interject b4 this becomes crazy.

B Bill, Jackson Vile was speaking in respect to serves when he said Numbers aren't important.
Actually what he said was "don't guage your succes by the number of balls you hit rather by what you are seeking ie placment, spin, speed, ect"

You guys are both right.
J Vile I agree that your focus when working on serves should be the quality of serve. Placement, speed and spin as you say.
When you have the quality however, quantity becomes important. How many out of 50 flat serves up the T went in?
 

jackson vile

G.O.A.T.
Freedom said:
What is the edited word, lol?


Serve until you're tried. Quality serves, though. No creampuffs. Work on topspin/kick for second serves.

See that's right, you serve as many as you feel, there are days that you want to push it and go further and you should, but if you are feelling drained you should not feel obligated to complete said number.


As for counting number of best or good or acceptable serves, that is not something that you are going to be able to keep track of anyways.

After hitting so many balls you know wheather or not you got what you wanted or if you were on regardless of numbers.

So you adjust to make those more quality.

At times people serving for number or with numbers in the sense of 100-what ever amount of balls.

You can end up just going too fast through the balls, not consentrating on the quality, a lot of people just don't think about it and think that because they served 300+ they are on the right track.


It is always better for a person to serve 50 quality serves with proper adjustments and ie proper attention to changes needed, than just hitting through 100 balls.

Same thing in a game, don't matter how hard you hit rather how well you hit, you see this a lot with hard hitters hitting themselves out.
 
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