Some surreal Nadal vs Fedovic numbers

[mike danny]

First off, I wanna start by saying that this is not meant as a bashing thread. These are just some numbers I've crunched up that seem surreal to me.

Nadal vs Fedovic at RG: 9 matches with Djokovic (2006, 2007, 2008, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2020, 2021) and 6 with Federer (2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2011, 2019) - 15 total matches

Nadal vs Fedovic at AO + Wimb + USO:

- 6 matches with both at the AO: 2012 and 2019 vs Djokovic + 2009, 2012, 2014 and 2017 vs Federer

- 7 matches with both at Wimb: 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2019 with Federer + 2007, 2011 and 2018 with Djokovic

- 3 matches with both at the USO: 2010, 2011 and 2013 all against Djokovic

In total: 16 total matches

Quite surreal how he's played Fedovic pretty much as many times at RG as at the other 3 slams combined. To top it off, half of his career slam matches vs Fedovic occurred just at 1 slam!

 

[Third Serve]

rank every Ned vs. Fedovic RG match, I dare you

 

[zuluzazu]

First off, I wanna start by saying that this is not meant as a bashing thread. These are just some numbers I've crunched up that seem surreal to me.

Nadal vs Fedovic at RG: 9 matches with Djokovic (2006, 2007, 2008, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2020, 2021) and 6 with Federer (2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2011, 2019) - 15 total matches

Nadal vs Fedovic at AO + Wimb + USO:

- 6 matches with both at the AO: 2012 and 2019 vs Djokovic + 2009, 2012, 2014 and 2017 vs Federer

- 7 matches with both at Wimb: 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2019 with Federer + 2007, 2011 and 2018 with Djokovic

- 3 matches with both at the USO: 2010, 2011 and 2013 all against Djokovic

In total: 16 total matches

Quite surreal how he's played Fedovic pretty much as many times at RG as at the other 3 slams combined. To top it off, half of his career slam matches vs Fedovic occurred just at 1 slam!

Its a result of three facts. First is Nadal almost never fails to show up in later stages of RG whereas Fedovic have failed to show up quite a few times with Nadal waiting at non RG slams. The second is Nadal bombing out relatively early in AO/USO in the first half of his career and Wimby in the second half of his career and the third is Nadal missing many non-RG slams. So all three facts compounded resulted in this stat.

 

[mike danny]

Its a result of three facts. First is Nadal almost never fails to show up in later stages of RG whereas Fedovic have failed to show up quite a few times with Nadal waiting. The second is Nadal bombing out relatively early in AO/USO in the first half of his career and Wimby in the second half of his career and the third is Nadal missing many non-RG slams. So all three facts compounded resulted in this stat.

Still, half of his career slam matches against them have taken place at RG alone

 

[NoleFam]

Boils down to the consistency of Fedovic or Djokerer, whichever you prefer , in Slams that Nadal doesn't quite match. Djokovic and Federer fans fight a lot, maybe because their careers have a lot of similarities. Lol. Like the battle and tug of war to prove who deserves to be called alpha.

 

[NoleFam]

Its a result of three facts. First is Nadal almost never fails to show up in later stages of RG whereas Fedovic have failed to show up quite a few times with Nadal waiting. The second is Nadal bombing out relatively early in AO/USO in the first half of his career and Wimby in the second half of his career and the third is Nadal missing many non-RG slams. So all three facts compounded resulted in this stat.

He's played them 15 times there. How many more times do you think they should show up? Lol

 

[LetWinner]

The lack of USO matches is on Fed. Once Nadal fully matured on HC (2010), Fed has been pretty dissappointing at USO, only making finals once.

 

[Biotic]

In before Fedovic failed to show up at AO/W/USO and should play Ned a few more times at RG to make it even.

 

[Antonio Puente]

When Fed is lumped together with Djoker, it's always smoke and mirrors.

At the beginning of 2009, Fed had a 2-6 slam record vs. Nadal, with half the slams being off clay.

In his career, Fed has one slam win vs. Nadal on hardcourts and clay. One.

For 7 years, from 2010 to 2017, Fed won one slam. The idea that Fed was consistent throughout and showing up constantly is fantasy.

Since 2010, Nadal has more USOs than Fed and Djoker combined.

 

[DSH]

The player who wins the most Majors titles will be the "GOAT".
The rest is worthless!

 

[zuluzazu]

He's played them 15 times there. How many more times do you think they should show up? Lol

Sorry was talking about non RG slams. Edited my post

 

[dapchai]

For Nadalovic the situation is a bit extreme at AO and RG which has something to do with the draws:

9 matches at RG but only 3 of them were finals, which means the other 6 times they were placed in the same half of the draw. Also worth noting that Rafa has made 13 finals and Djoko has made 6.

2 matches at AO and both were finals. Djoko has made 9 finals and Rafa has made 6, but since 2007 they have been placed in different halves of the draw except 2017!

 

[Jokervich]

First off, I wanna start by saying that this is not meant as a bashing thread. These are just some numbers I've crunched up that seem surreal to me.

Nadal vs Fedovic at RG: 9 matches with Djokovic (2006, 2007, 2008, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2020, 2021) and 6 with Federer (2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2011, 2019) - 15 total matches

Nadal vs Fedovic at AO + Wimb + USO:

- 6 matches with both at the AO: 2012 and 2019 vs Djokovic + 2009, 2012, 2014 and 2017 vs Federer

- 7 matches with both at Wimb: 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2019 with Federer + 2007, 2011 and 2018 with Djokovic

- 3 matches with both at the USO: 2010, 2011 and 2013 all against Djokovic

In total: 16 total matches

Quite surreal how he's played Fedovic pretty much as many times at RG as at the other 3 slams combined. To top it off, half of his career slam matches vs Fedovic occurred just at 1 slam!

Federer and Djokovic were good enough to regularly reach him at RG, but Nadal was not good enough to regularly reach Federer and Djokovic at the other 3 slams.

 

[Backspin1183]

This proves that Federer and Djokovic could not stop Nadal from winning 21 Slams. Nadal vs the duo been a great rivalry though.

 

[dapchai]

This proves that Federer and Djokovic could not stop Nadal from winning 21 Slams. Nadal vs the duo been a great rivalry though.

Nadalovicerer?

 

[Backspin1183]

Nadal vs Federer no US Open match is the most surprising one considering their combined 9 titles in NY.

 

[Spencer Gore]

Federer and Djokovic are two different players.

 

[Aabye5]

Federer and Djokovic are two different players.

But in the pages of history they are part of a single entity: The Big 3, a rare and virulent species. It takes over everything...

 

[Spencer Gore]

But in the pages of history they are part of a single entity: The Big 3, a rare and virulent species. It takes over everything...

I don't think so. They will always be linked, of course, but whoever comes out with the record will be the one history honours most.

There can be only one...

 

[MichaelNadal]

This thread backfired on my bestie fast

He should grill out and put on AO 07 highlights with Roddick instead

 

[mike danny]

The lack of USO matches is on Fed. Once Nadal fully matured on HC (2010), Fed has been pretty dissappointing at USO, only making finals once.

He had to slow down at some point. He'd reached 6 straight USO finals by 2010.

 

[mike danny]

This thread backfired on my bestie fast

He should grill out and put on AO 07 highlights with Roddick instead

I did say I didn't want this to turn into a Nadal bashing contest.

 

[Sport]

First off, I wanna start by saying that this is not meant as a bashing thread. These are just some numbers I've crunched up that seem surreal to me.

Nadal vs Fedovic at RG: 9 matches with Djokovic (2006, 2007, 2008, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2020, 2021) and 6 with Federer (2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2011, 2019) - 15 total matches

Nadal vs Fedovic at AO + Wimb + USO:

- 6 matches with both at the AO: 2012 and 2019 vs Djokovic + 2009, 2012, 2014 and 2017 vs Federer

- 7 matches with both at Wimb: 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2019 with Federer + 2007, 2011 and 2018 with Djokovic

- 3 matches with both at the USO: 2010, 2011 and 2013 all against Djokovic

In total: 16 total matches

Quite surreal how he's played Fedovic pretty much as many times at RG as at the other 3 slams combined. To top it off, half of his career slam matches vs Fedovic occurred just at 1 slam!

16 > 15. 16 matches outside clay in Slams, 15 matches on clay in Slams. He has faced Fedovic in Slams more outside clay than on clay, and yet he has a winning H2H at Slams over both. To top it, he also leads Federer 3-1 at the AO and Djokovic 2-1 at the US Open, so it's not like Nadal only leads at RG. Impressive stuff by the Spanish gladiator if you ask me.

And, anyhow, who said clay victories are non-valid? It's noteworthy how Nadal is much more dominant at RG than the others at their respective pet Slams.

 

[NoleFam]

16 > 15. 16 matches outside clay in Slams, 15 matches on clay in Slams. He has faced Fedovic in Slams more outside clay than on clay, and yet he has a winning H2H at Slams over both. To top it, he also leads Federer 3-1 at the AO and Djokovic 2-1 at the US Open, so it's not like Nadal only leads at RG. Impressive stuff by the Spanish gladiator if you ask me.

And, anyhow, who said clay victories are non-valid? It's noteworthy how Nadal is much more dominant at RG than the others at their respective pet Slams.

Do you not see that he needs to meet them 45 times outside of RG for it to be even? Lol.

 

[weakera]

Nadal has failed to meet Djokovic (ie, been eliminated prior to a potential Djokovic matchup) at AO six times in their career (2008, 2011, 2015, 2016, 2020, 2021). Every other year, Djokovic and Nadal either met, or Djokovic was eliminated in an earlier round than Nadal or the same round.

Djokovic has failed to meet Nadal (ie, been eliminated prior to a potential Nadal matchup) at RG seven times in their career (2005, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2017, 2018, 2019). Every other year Djokovic and Nadal either met, or Nadal was eliminated in an earlier round than Djokovic or the same round.

 

[The Fedfather]

It's obvious with all their achievements and records that in overall consistency Federer and Djokovic are ahead of Nadal. And yes, Rafa missing tournaments due to being injured/recovering is a part of that, but if we take prime years, he was generally more vulnerable off clay than Fedovic were on clay. Definitely can see how this bought mental advantage for Rafa, but It's not something he had any control over so. It is what it is.

I do find this imbalance to be a cool contrast with how evenly Federer and Djokovic matched up across the non-RG Slams. Would love to see the rivalry between Roger and Novak if they were the same ages. Imagine how many matches these two could play against each other!

 

[weakera]

Since 2010, Nadal has more USOs than Fed and Djoker combined.

 

[MichaelNadal]

I did say I didn't want this to turn into a Nadal bashing contest.

Course you didn't

 

[MichaelNadal]

When Fed is lumped together with Djoker, it's always smoke and mirrors.

At the beginning of 2009, Fed had a 2-6 slam record vs. Nadal, with half the slams being off clay.

In his career, Fed has one slam win vs. Nadal on hardcourts and clay. One.

For 7 years, from 2010 to 2017, Fed won one slam. The idea that Fed was consistent throughout and showing up constantly is fantasy.

Since 2010, Nadal has more USOs than Fed and Djoker combined.

Savage. Macho Man Randy Savage

 

[Kralingen]

Nadal has failed to meet Djokovic (ie, been eliminated prior to a potential Djokovic matchup) at AO six times in their career (2008, 2011, 2015, 2016, 2020, 2021). Every other year, Djokovic and Nadal either met, or Djokovic was eliminated in an earlier round than Nadal or the same round.

Djokovic has failed to meet Nadal (ie, been eliminated prior to a potential Nadal matchup) at RG seven times in their career (2005, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2017, 2018, 2019). Every other year Djokovic and Nadal either met, or Nadal was eliminated in an earlier round than Djokovic or the same round.

bro said “2005” lol

 

[Biotic]

The gist of it is that Ned met them too many times on his own terms, when in top form... while they were or were not.

When not in top form, Ned was too busy getting annihilated by Darcis and co.

 

[Third Serve]

When not in top form, Ned was too busy getting annihilated by Darcis and co.

Or, in many cases, didn’t even play the tournament.

 

[D.Nalby12]

Like all of Nadal' stats clay skew is visible.

 

[The Fedfather]

When Fed is lumped together with Djoker, it's always smoke and mirrors.

At the beginning of 2009, Fed had a 2-6 slam record vs. Nadal, with half the slams being off clay.

In his career, Fed has one slam win vs. Nadal on hardcourts and clay. One.

For 7 years, from 2010 to 2017, Fed won one slam. The idea that Fed was consistent throughout and showing up constantly is fantasy.

Since 2010, Nadal has more USOs than Fed and Djoker combined.

Before 2010 Federer already met Nadal at RG 4 times though, while at AO, W, USO combined they met 4 times as well. There isn't a way to know how matches between them would go at other Slams had they met there, how the H2H would change, but it's simply a fact that Fedal Slam encounters were skewed toward Nadal's favorite Slam.

From 2010 to 2017 Federer might not have been showing up constantly, sure, but to say he was not consistent? What a story. In that period outside of RG Roger won 2 Slams to Nadal's 3, reaching 5 finals to Nadal's 7. Advantage Nadal, of course, though it's close enough, but then Federer also made 9 additional semi-finals (skipped 1 tournament) while Nadal made, um, 0 (skipped 4 tournaments). Though, of course, maybe it's not that big of a difference and it's only my fantasy that Federer was pretty consistent.

Realistically then, in your opinion, how much more consistent did Federer need to be from 2005, when Nadal became a Slam winner, to 2017, for them to play at least a couple more matches at AO + W + USO than they did at RG? As it was, they met 5 times at RG, 6 times at the AO, W, USO combined. In that stretch, at RG Federer made it to semis or better 7 times, at the other Slams - 29 times vs Nadal's 9 and 14 times respectively.

 

[Backspin1183]

I did say I didn't want this to turn into a Nadal bashing contest.

You're a good poster. And this isn't bashing Nadal either. He's made at least 5 finals in each Grand Slam. Not his fault if Federer/Djokovic couldn't meet him more often outside of clay.

 

[Phoenix*]

Federer hasn't beaten Nadal at RG. Nadal hasn't beaten Djokovic at AO.

Djokovic has beaten them both at every slam. There's The GOAT.

 

[The_Order]

Still, half of his career slam matches against them have taken place at RG alone

Well maybe if Fed was good enough to meet him at the US Open in 2010, 2011, 2013, 2017 and 2019 he would have had another 5 losses to him there... not to mention Nadal has had to miss the US Open in 2012, 2014, 2020 and 2021 whilst also copping injury during the 2009 and 2018 events... and don't give me this crap that Nadal should have got to Fed from 04-07... Fed was nowhere near it at the US Open at those corresponding ages... 08 fair enough, he should have been good enough but that's his bad for losing to Murray.

Federer has been in Nadal's path 4/6 times Nadal made the final at the AO... Djokovic only twice... how is that Nadal's fault? Also had to skip 2013 due to injury...

Wimbledon Nadal hasn't been good enough there from 2012-2017. Still, he made 5 finals... the same amount that Roger has made at RG... not Nadal's fault that Roger failed to meet him in 2010 and 2011...

RG Nadal has pretty much been a constant there... only 3 times he hasn't made the final when he entered the event.

So yeah... nice attempt at trying to troll... let's see how long this thread stands...

 

[The_Order]

Before 2010 Federer already met Nadal at RG 4 times though, while at AO, W, USO combined they met 4 times as well. There isn't a way to know how matches between them would go at other Slams had they met there, how the H2H would change, but it's simply a fact that Fedal Slam encounters were skewed toward Nadal's favorite Slam.

Before 2010 Nadal was 23... how many slam finals/semis did Federer make at that age compared to Nadal... let's see.... oh... 4 times...

WIM03 + 04
AO04
US04

What about Nadal you ask?

RG05 + 06 + 07 + 08
WIM06 + 07 + 08
AO08 + 09
US08 + 09

That's ELEVEN to FOUR... lmfao

But hey... Nadal should have been making HC slam semis + finals at age 17-21...

And the funny thing is... Federer's probably lucky Nadal didn't face him in those slams because even as a kid, he still had the game to beat peak Federer on HC anyway

 

[Third Serve]

In before Fedovic failed to show up at AO/W/USO and should play Ned a few more times at RG to make it even.

It's here now, the first part at least

 

[OhYes]

16 > 15. 16 matches outside clay in Slams, 15 matches on clay in Slams. He has faced Fedovic in Slams more outside clay than on clay, and yet he has a winning H2H at Slams over both. To top it, he also leads Federer 3-1 at the AO and Djokovic 2-1 at the US Open, so it's not like Nadal only leads at RG. Impressive stuff by the Spanish gladiator if you ask me.

And, anyhow, who said clay victories are non-valid? It's noteworthy how Nadal is much more dominant at RG than the others at their respective pet Slams.

2-1 at UO ??? So they played 3 times as opposed to 9 times at RG and you still have guts to claim H2H

 

[The Fedfather]

Before 2010 Nadal was 23... how many slam finals/semis did Federer make at that age compared to Nadal... let's see.... oh... 4 times...

WIM03 + 04
AO04
US04

What about Nadal you ask?

RG05 + 06 + 07 + 08
WIM06 + 07 + 08
AO08 + 09
US08 + 09

That's ELEVEN to FOUR... lmfao

But hey... Nadal should have been making HC slam semis + finals at age 17-21...

And the funny thing is... Federer's probably lucky Nadal didn't face him in those slams because even as a kid, he still had the game to beat peak Federer on HC anyway

I was going off Nadal's Slam winning form. Started winning FO in 2005, his s results at Wimbledon were much better before he was 23. But I have no problem with taking the comparison of them at the same age. Do you disagree that Federer was more consistent outside of RG by a significant margin?

As I said, there isn't a way for us to know how the possible Fedal matches would go. but we do know Federer has better results than Nadal at non-RG Slams.

 

[Gt86]

Still, half of his career slam matches against them have taken place at RG alone

Yes largely due to Federer and Djokovic not making it to play him at USO after 2013. Rafa has always made it to the latter stages at Roland Garros. He has a very good record of reaching semi finals at Roland Garros or better at times.

 

[Forgive Me Father]

I'm gonna quickly save this thread for OP


Fed destroying his '05 competition

stronk

 

[Gt86]

Before 2010 Nadal was 23... how many slam finals/semis did Federer make at that age compared to Nadal... let's see.... oh... 4 times...

WIM03 + 04
AO04
US04

What about Nadal you ask?

RG05 + 06 + 07 + 08
WIM06 + 07 + 08
AO08 + 09
US08 + 09

That's ELEVEN to FOUR... lmfao

But hey... Nadal should have been making HC slam semis + finals at age 17-21...

And the funny thing is... Federer's probably lucky Nadal didn't face him in those slams because even as a kid, he still had the game to beat peak Federer on HC anyway

Pretty sure Nadal would have beat Federer at the USO in 2008 if he had got past Murray and in 2010 and 2011 had Federer not thrown away both matches v Djokovic in 2010 and 2011 can anyone remember if Nadal was already in the final waiting for the winner of Federer v Djokovic or was Nadals SF second?

 

[The_Order]

I was going off Nadal's Slam winning form. Started winning FO in 2005, his s results at Wimbledon were much better before he was 23. But I have no problem with taking the comparison of them at the same age. Do you disagree that Federer was more consistent outside of RG by a significant margin?

As I said, there isn't a way for us to know how the possible Fedal matches would go. but we do know Federer has better results than Nadal at non-RG Slams.

Using Nadal's RG + WIM success to gauge his HC performance is dumb. His game on HC slams didn't develop until he was 22. Won his first HC slam at roughly same age as Roger....

 

[The Fedfather]

Using Nadal's RG + WIM success to gauge his HC performance is dumb. His game on HC slams didn't develop until he was 22. Won his first HC slam at roughly same age as Roger....

I didn't use it to gauge Nadal's HC performance. I took a period of time starting from Rafa's first major win and then went until 2017 because it was more convenient to cover the years of Nadal's prime on HC instead of breaking the period in bits and pieces based on form flunctuations. In the same spirit, I didn't exclude 2012-2014 for Federer when those weren't exactly his best years on HC.

Why didn't you answer my question though? Do you disagree that Federer was more consistent outside of RG by a significant margin?

 

[The_Order]

I didn't use it to gauge Nadal's HC performance. I took a period of time starting from Rafa's first major win and then went until 2017 because it was more convenient to cover the years of Nadal's prime on HC instead of breaking the period in bits and pieces based on form flunctuations. In the same spirit, I didn't exclude 2012-2014 for Federer when those weren't exactly his best years on HC.

Why didn't you answer my question though? Do you disagree that Federer was more consistent outside of RG by a significant margin?

I never made such claims in the first place.

You are taking into consideration Roger's best slam (Wimbledon) whilst excluding Nadal's best slam. Of course he's going to have more consistent results...

On HC they've both been pretty consistent.

 

[King No1e]

rank every Ned vs. Fedovic RG match, I dare you

2013
The rest

 

[Djokovic2011]

I never made such claims in the first place.

You are taking into consideration Roger's best slam (Wimbledon) whilst excluding Nadal's best slam. Of course he's going to have more consistent results...

On HC they've both been pretty consistent.

Nadal's consistency on hard courts is underrated but you can't deny that Federer's is superior. I mean he's reached something like 14 finals and 25 semifinals throughout his career, even more than Djokovic.

 

[The Fedfather]

I never made such claims in the first place.

You are taking into consideration Roger's best slam (Wimbledon) whilst excluding Nadal's best slam. Of course he's going to have more consistent results...

On HC they've both been pretty consistent.

That's why I asked because your reply seemed to be about countering the notion that Federer was much more consistent outside of RG which was inferred in my post.

I'm excluding Nadal's best Slam because this thread is about how matches Nadal played against Fedovic at RG vs matches at the other 3 Slams. The poster I responded to said it's smoke and mirrors to involve Federer in a conversation about RG skew in their matches against Nadal. And he made a point that Roger wasn't really that consistent.


They are both extremely consistent when we compare them to the field. When it's Federer vs Nadal, Federer comes out ahead by quite a distance.