Southern Utah adds Men's Tennis

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  1. kme5150

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  2. andfor

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    Saw that. Congratulations to Southern Utah. The state of Utah now has 6 D1 men's tennis programs.
     
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    Nice to hear about one being added instead of the usual one being cut. Good luck to Southern Utah.
     
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    That's great news, Go T-Birds !
     
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    props to them for adding a team but let's hope they get better soon. They won a total of 3 games on 6 singles courts vs Utah State yesterday
     
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  6. FedererExpress

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    How is SUU considered D1? That's the problem right there... they need to be D2 at best.
     
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    They meet the NCAA compliance regulations for DI that's how.
     
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    They probably wouldn't even win at that level.
     
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    If the Thunderbirds need a new player how about Ryan McMullen of Clemson? He would fit in nicely at 3 or 4.
     
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    Doubt the team gets scholarships, so the rise to relevance will be tough. Big Sky is a highly underrated conference.
     
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    Could you explain for me the NCAA compliance regulations? Or maybe a good link for beginners? I thought it was based on school population size. SUU has what? 7000 students?? How can they possibly compete or rather, WHY would they even want to be classified as DI? I know Dixie State only 30 miles away has more students but is classified as DII.

    Genuinely curious and not questioning your claims.
     
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    There are D1 schools smaller than that. Wofford only has 1,608 students and they have had a competitive basketball team recently. It's all based on the schools decision. I was working at Incarnate Word in San Antonio when they were transitioning to D1. In that case the President of the university decided it would be a beneficial move. Every sport had to adjust and deal with increased competition but also with having more scholarships to divvy out. It's all very complex and I could go ask the compliance guy right next door to office right now if you want.
     
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    SUre! If it's not a pain in the butt. haha. I'm curious because wouldn't you want to be a big fish in small pond? More wins = more marketing even in a smaller division and ultimately more money? I can't imagine why a school would want to be DI an go 0-16 each year... Again I know nothing about the behind the doors action.
     
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    Word... That's the reason
     
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    Thanks. I could dig around, but don't have time. As you said, it can be a complex process. Maybe your compliance officer will have a good page to reference or condensed answer. From what I know from a distance, schools move to DI chasing more revenue dollars. In the case of SUU my best guess is more revenue through basketball. Not sure they even have a football team. Note of trivia: I know that Northern Alabama explored moving from DII to DI over the last few years. They decided against it. For them, the money needed to upgrade facilities did not prove in versus the future possible revenue gains.
     
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    Southern Utah does have football and in fact they won the Big Sky this year and played in the FCS playoffs. So really their tennis team being so bad is not a product of being D1 when they shouldn't but rather just being a new program. Still shouldn't be that bad though.

    There's a lot of reasons why D2 schools join D1. D1 is so much more popular than D2 and there is so much more money. First of all you get a ton more exposure. D1 is shown on TV all the time, even the smaller conferences have network deals for online coverage, for a variety of sports as well and that is a huge money maker. People know D1 schools. Something as simple as having your name scroll across the bottom to millions of viewers on the ESPN bottom line will boost recognition. People who have previously never heard of Grand Canyon will suddenly start to see that name a lot more and start to register who they are even if they do not specifically go out and research them. You get a boost of other D1 schools coming into your place to play. A D1 school will almost never go play at a D2 school in any sport, so the only way to have the top level of competition come to your place is to join D1.

    I know the people here at North Dakota State all say that them joining D1 (around 2007) was the absolute best move them ever made because they have since won 5 FCS football titles, been to March Madness 3 times now, been top 25 in softball, volleyball etc. Only thing that has suffered has been women's basketball because they used to be a D2 powerhouse and are now struggling in the Summit League(I would know, I have to sit through all the beatdowns and try to keep the fans happy with music). So for NDSU the move to D1 has been amazing and revenue and national recognition has gone through the roof.

    Some schools probably should not be in D1 but are(Centenary used to be in D1 with 1,100 students bad since wised up and moved to D3. Also I would say many of the SWAC,Northeast and MEAC schools are in way over their heads in D1) and some D2 schools could easily be good D1 programs, like North Alabama, UC San Diego, Grand Valley State etc.

    If you want to make the move to D1 you have to have everything in place. Like you said with the facilities upgrades needed, North Alabama decided on no. I was at Incarnate Word when they were making the move to D1 and that was the #1 thing they had to worry about was facilities. There were still some D2 programs in Texas with better facilities than what UIW currently has. As I left they were looking to upgrade everything but I have no idea where they are going to get that money from.
     
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    Awesome, thanks for some insight. Interestingly, I saw some of the SUU guys practice yesterday and was shocked at the level of play haha.

    A question about the facilities, what needs to be updated? Eg: in tennis, would would they need in terms of facilities over a d2 school? Similar question for football and basketball?
     
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    If you're a student you should go try out for the team.

    Not sure what the restrictions or requirements are for DI tennis. I've seen indoor matches contested as few as 3 courts, heard of some played on two. Outdoors you often see at least 6 courts, but I don't know if that's required. I know some schools where the team plays and practices at a private club. I know for the AAC championships the team has to have access to 12 courts, but that's just a requirement to host the conf. tournament. My guess is that most facility requirements are going to revolve around football and basketball stadiums.
     
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    unfortunately too old to be a student anymore haha.
     
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