Suggestions for Kevlar substitute.

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
I only brought one racquet with me to South America. I strung up my 18x20 G9 with 16g kevlar / 15L nylon at 60/55 lbs, thinking it would last me a few months.

But playing twice a week on the red clay here chewed through my kevlar in only a month.

Assuming I can’t find kevlar here, I need suggestions for a kevlar substitute. Shipping stuff here is inconvenient.

I want a stringbed that can maintain playability for a long time. I like the precise launch angle control of tight kevlar. I hate the feel of full poly when the crosses get dented.

Would poly mains and nylon crosses be my best bet? i can maybe figure out a way to prestretch the string myself before taking it to a local stringer.
 

Ultra 2

Professional
An older tennis shop in South Africa should have Kevlar (pro blend) in stock. It was pretty popular back in the day.. so a pro shop should have it, I would think. Whereabouts in South Africa are you?

There really is no substitute for Kevlar/aramid imho.. nothing else is really close to it. You will change re-string regularly with syn gut/nylon.

Poly mains and nylon crosses will play entirely different.
 

Muppet

Legend
What comes to mind is RIP Control/Cyber Blue for the mutedness of a kevlar/sg hybrid and decent spin.
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
I would suggest you google "South Africa tennis shops" and see what the results are. You may not find Ashaway Kevlar, but Pro Blend is available.
 

hurworld

Hall of Fame
How about thick gauged monofilament syn gut? Ash Kev is braided (many small strands) so that allows clay particles to get in and "sand" through the string. Monofilament strings would have less of that problem, I should think.
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
Update:

I went to the tennis shop in my neighborhood in Asuncion.

They only carried 2 strings: 16g Syn Gut and 15g Syn Gut. So not much to choose from.

I went with 15g (1.40mm).

He let me prestretch the 40ft run in the store, but I don’t know how thoroughly this was done, as I was holding one end and the stringer was holding the other. I wished that I had brought a couple of tools to use as handles, as I nearly injured my fingers wrapping it around my wrist and hand to pull.

I asked for 65 lbs on my Volkl G9 18x20. The stringer initially protested because the racquet is spec’d 55 +/- 5 lbs on the frame.

I also asked him to leave the tape on the frame, as I have rings of duct tape wrapped around to secure the several layers of lead tape.

I’ll come back later today to see the result.
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
Got my racquet back.

I think swingweight is now up around 370, compared to about 360 with the kevlar.

I may need to shed a few grams from the 3 and 9 spots if the balance doesn’t work.

Planning to play tonight to test it out.
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
Sorry for the bad advice. I read South Africa from He-who-admitted-it. I think on your next call to the office or home, have someone order you some packs of strings and ship them to you. If you crunch thru Kevlar mains, you will do the same to SG. May have to think string savers as part of the CARE package.
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
The good news is it only costs $8 for a stringjob here, including the string.

Of course, when I eyed a new Juice Pro on the clearance rack for $100, I made an impulse buy and had it strung up with the 15g syn gut too.

Played 3 good sets with the Juice on the red clay today. Was surprised how well I played with a 27.25” frame. It added potency to my serve and groundies. The dense pattern and tight syn gut bed really works well with extended length by giving it good launch angle control.
 

hurworld

Hall of Fame
The good news is it only costs $8 for a stringjob here, including the string.

Of course, when I eyed a new Juice Pro on the clearance rack for $100, I made an impulse buy and had it strung up with the 15g syn gut too.

Played 3 good sets with the Juice on the red clay today. Was surprised how well I played with a 27.25” frame. It added potency to my serve and groundies. The dense pattern and tight syn gut bed really works well with extended length by giving it good launch angle control.
Haha, from advocate of shortened racquet to extended racquet.
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
Haha, from advocate of shortened racquet to extended racquet.
I’d been playing at a really high level with my shorty the last month, with the exception of my serve. I’d been craving to see what I could do with a racquet that helps my serve more.

I like the longer frame better on serve and 2hb. I was worried I’d lose too much touch on slice forehand returns, but the locked stringbed helped minimize the loss in feel.
 

2ndServe

Hall of Fame
longer racket sucks a lot for everything except the serve. I get less control for every shot, but the serve is easily the most important shot in tennis and just helps me win more even when everything else has less control
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
I’m in Santiago this weekend. They have red clay here too, but the conditions are very different due the drier climate, with almost zero percent humidity here, the Chilean clay feels I’m playing on slippery dust.

I was a little frustrated today with my syn gut stringjobs on both my frames, which had now locked up and were not providing much spin, limiting my game. It was making it especially hard to land a decent serve in the box.

I came home to my hotel room and used electrical tape to secure 2 100-Guarani coins to the 3 and 9 spots of my Juice. I estimate the coins are 3-4g each. I’m hoping the extra twist weight and extra swingweight might Roddickize my Juice and help give my serve some extra spin. And hopefully will give some more plowthrough.

I have no scale or lead tape with me so I’m just winging it here.

I’m planning to play 2h under the sun tomorrow morning on the powdery dry clay, which might be a mistake - we’ll see.
 

graycrait

Legend
Don't want to sound like an old Debbie Downer, but maybe quit fiddling with the gear and start fiddling with the skill set. The other day I was into some demolition work all day with sledge hammers and pry bars. I was soaked in sweat and very hot working in stiffling conditions. Took about a 30 minute break and then went to play 3 hrs of tennis. That was the worst tennis I played in a long time and looking back on it I realized that at nearly 65 yrs old I may have "wore" myself out before I hit the courts. Even my new to me 10.9oz Yonex didn't save me. What impressed me was that my "small" motor and coordination skills were so downgraded. I could not effectively move up to and put away a short ball that the day before was no issue. Any racket felt like swinging a club and my legs felt like "nothing." Maybe the conditions are overwhelming your skill set, rather than the gear limiting your performance.
 

USPTARF97

Hall of Fame
Nice purchase on the Juice Pro. Good frame.
Only way to avoid this is to travel with a couple of frames strung and take a few sets of string of your choice.
I am traveling now and weather didn’t permit but have 3 frames and a reel of string. I’m many cases just have to adjust tension up or down a couple of lbs.
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
Only real solution is to travel with a couple of frames strung and take a few sets of string of your choice.
I am traveling now and weather didn’t permit but have 3 frames and a reel of string. I’m many cases just have to adjust tension up or down a couple of lbs.
I’m thinking about having my wife send me a care package of some string from my stash - maybe a reel of kevlar and a reel of poly. I miss having my electronic scale too.
 

USPTARF97

Hall of Fame
I’m thinking about having my wife send me a care package of some string from my stash - maybe a reel of kevlar and a reel of poly. I miss having my electronic scale too.

I’ve done that before where I had one frame and broke a string. Where I was at the time they wanted $50 to string my frame with Alu Power. Painful.
 

Autodidactic player

Professional
If all else fails, you should be able to get string trimmer (weed whacker) line in 15-16 gauge solid aramid/kevlar or with an aramid/kevlar core wherever you travel. Most of the major string trimmer manufacturers make an aramid/kevlar version of their sting. Plus, it should be fairly inexpensive and if you don't like it, you can use the rest when you get back home on the weeds in your yard! :giggle:
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
I’ve done that before where I had one frame and broke a string. Where I was at the time they wanted $50 to string my frame with Alu Power. Painful.
The bright side is that if I can provide my own string it’s probably only $5 or so for a stringjob in Paraguay.
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
Today I played 2h in the morning on the dry dusty Santiago clay. It was 39F when we started at 10am but it was in the 60s by noon.

The pro I’ve been playing against grew up training for 4 years at Justine Henin’s academy In Belgium, then trained 2 years in Spain and 2 years in Russia. His strokes and clay court game are very refined, and a spry 25.

My Juice felt much better today with the coin weighting at 3 and 9. The weight did add a bit of spinniness to my locked-up syn gut stringbed. Played 2 sets of singles. The extra 2000 feet of altitude made breathing a little tougher.

I played much better today with the heavier juice and with new balls, and I think I surprised the pro. I played well enough to earn a set point at 6-5, but couldn’t close it out - lost 7-6, 6-2.

I liked the Juice on my 2hb and serve. Not as much on my forehands and 1hb volleys.

I tried hitting a few balls with the pro’s Blade 98 strung with ALU atblow tension, but the launch angle felt so high in comparison to my locked syn gut that I had trouble adjusting.

I played a baseline game at the end (and won!) with my usual leaded-up shortened Volkl. I had less spin available on 2hb, but certainly more confidence and command on my forehand. Going to play again tomorrow morning, so will try the Volkl again. I peeled off a couple of grams from 3 and 9 from the Volkl in my hotel room after I got back, hoping to get closer to the more familiar balance of when I had the lighter kevlar in it.

Today made me realize I have been missing having good players to hit against. I’m going to have to join private club to get that on a consistent basis in Paraguay.
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
Darn it. As I’m sitting in the restaurant typing, I feel my Achilles getting sorer. My next stop is a pharmacy to find some ibuprofen.
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
Update:

While riding back to my hotel from work this afternoon, I spotted a Babolat store I hadn’t noticed before.

I told the driver stop the car! They had to carry string, right?

They had several strings in sets, xcel, rpm blast, pro hurricane, and pro hurricane tour, all pricey, especially for here.

But when I went to the register to pay for a set of hurricane, I espied 17g reels of gray extreme pro. That was the only poly they had in reel form. They also had a reel of xcel, but more expensive. It turned out I could get a 660’ reel for $50, so I bought one. No expensive international shipping costs.

I came home to my hotel room and immediately prestretched two 20-ft lengths - it stretched another 7-8”, typical for a poly.

I took my Volkl G9 18x20 back to the tennis shop and asked for 55/50 lbs.

I’m planning to play tonight against a 5.5 player with a huge claycourt forehand who plays like Thiem. Last time against him the only games I won were when I served and volleyed to take advantage of his deep court positioning ( he likes to return from 10 feet behind baseline). I’m going to need my serve if I’m going to do any better this time, so hopefully having some spinnier strings will help.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
bet you could find some kevlar rope at a survival store or a kite store. It would be uncoated but would be kevlar, albiet softer than ashway.
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
The full poly (pro xtreme) prestretched at 55/50 was a disaster. Hit a heavy ball, but launch angle was untamable. The string is slippery and wiry, but when the ball hit the stringbed it felt too soft and springy.

I ditched the poly racquet and I played my match last night with my Juice Pro strung tight at 65 lbs with the 15g syn gut, and played well and enjoyed the feel and control. The 5.5 player didn’t make it, so I played 3 easy sets against a 4.0 teaching pro and another guy who showed up for pickup.

I cut out the poly and had it restrung with hotel-room-prestretched poly/syn gut hybrid at 65 lbs. looking forward to testing.
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
Update:

After playing one week, about 4h of singles with the poly/syn gut hybrid at 65 lbs prestretched in my G9, here’s my quick review:

First half hour, didn’t like due to too much main string freedom while nylon still slick.

Next hour, pretty good. Good spin, ok control, liked it for serves.

After that, tension noticeably dropping steadily. By 4h, tension is too low, and stringbed too soft, and launch too sloppy for my tastes. Time to cut out.

Overall a disappointment.

The mains, 17g Babolat Pro xtreme, seems like a very stiff and wiry and slippery surfaced poly. The crosses were cheap 16g nylon. I suspect the cheap nylon might be too gummy and be the main culprit for the unacceptable tension loss.

So, scientific method is to test that suspicion.

Next Up:
I prestretched two 20-ft segments of the pro xtreme in hotel room.

Asked for 68 lbs full poly. (55/50 was way too low, too springy, and way too high launch angle).

Still haven’t found a satisfactory replacement for my good old kevlar/nylon hybrid.
 

Doubles

Legend
Diadem Evolution might be worth looking into as a cross. I had the chance to hit with it recently and it’s prettt slick.
 

USPTARF97

Hall of Fame
Same tension mains and crosses in the 52-54 range with full poly. Not going to get much better with the Juice Pro.
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
My Juice Pro actually seems to work great paired with the 1.40mm Wilson syn gut at 65 lbs, because the extra length provides leverage for sufficient spin, while the locked bed adds a lot of control for returns, volleys, and touch shots.

It’s my shortened 26.75” Volkl G9 where the full syn gut locked stringbed made serving more difficult due to limited spin potential.

I got my full poly job back. This pro xtreme stuff is remarkably slick and dent-resistant compared to other polys. Even at 68 lbs prestretched, the strings seem to have a lot of freedom to slide because it’s so slippery. With the higher stringbed stiffness it will probably spin the fuzz off the ball pretty nicely.
 

blai212

Hall of Fame
Diadem Evolution might be worth looking into as a cross. I had the chance to hit with it recently and it’s prettt slick.

how does it compare to soft low powered copolys like SPPP(signum pro poly plasma)/yonex poly tour pro as a cross?


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Doubles

Legend
how does it compare to soft low powered copolys like SPPP(signum pro poly plasma)/yonex poly tour pro as a cross?


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Tough to compare since I only hit for a little bit. The diadem string is not poly, so it’s much softer, but maintains a slick surface and wasn’t getting scuffed up despite the main string being an aggressively shaped poly string. That said, it seems to hold its tension well—the stringbed was already old when I started to use it and it still felt great. It doesn’t inhibit spin production the way some synthetic crosses do, but it does lower the launch angle which is something @travlerajm is looking for.
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
I suspect this pro xtreme stuff might be more comfy than a normal poly due to it’s harder slicker surface that might keep the crosses from denting. I’ll try it at 68 lbs and let you guys know.
 

JamesV

Rookie
I only brought one racquet with me to South America. I strung up my 18x20 G9 with 16g kevlar / 15L nylon at 60/55 lbs, thinking it would last me a few months.

But playing twice a week on the red clay here chewed through my kevlar in only a month.

Assuming I can’t find kevlar here, I need suggestions for a kevlar substitute. Shipping stuff here is inconvenient.

I want a stringbed that can maintain playability for a long time. I like the precise launch angle control of tight kevlar. I hate the feel of full poly when the crosses get dented.

Would poly mains and nylon crosses be my best bet? i can maybe figure out a way to prestretch the string myself before taking it to a local stringer.


Try Weiss Cannon Blue Rock 'n' Power. It's shaped and rugged as hell. Stiff and control oriented with great spin. You have to generate your own power, but you can swing away, believe me.
 

USPTARF97

Hall of Fame
Azarenka used to string the Juice 100 in the 60-62 range with Alu Power. Not sure if that is the frame she has now that is blacked out but she seemed to hit a solid ball to say the least. Problem is she swings a little faster than we do.
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
Well, tonight I played again against a local active tournament player. He had just come back from playing an open tournament in Brazil - I think he said it was at Iguazu. I’m not sure that I understood him well - he either placed fourth, or reached the fourth round.

Anyway, the first time I played him, about a month ago, I received a thorough beatdown. This guy has the best clay-court forehand I have ever played against. He hits with more racquethead speed than anyone I have ever played against bar none. And when he has time to wind up for his Rafa-esque fearhand, he never misses, as in maybe only 1 or 2 errors per match. But his forehand is one-dimensional. He can’t hit it on clay on the rise. And while he has pretty good dropshor touch, his backhand and net game are ordinary. The first match, I lost 6-2, 6-1. The 3 games I won that first match were when I served-and-volleyed to take advantage of his deep Rafa-style return position. But I couldn’t win any of his service games because his forehand was just too good, and he could go corner to corner on me until I finally hit one too short that he can put away.

Tonight, I went with the Juice Pro, still strung with 65 lbs 15g Wilson syn gut, with some weight on sides of hoop to bring swingweight up around 370.

I played a lot better this time with the Juicee . Groundstrokes felt good on both sides. Even my forehand was serviceable, with the controlled launch angle of the syn gut stringjob giving me confidence, and plenty of spin available due to the extra length and boosted twisteright.

Volleys were pretty good too. I got rare break in the 3rd game, and we each held the next 6 games. But I couldn’t sustain my level long enough to close out the set, and after leading 5-3, I got broken with a bad game at 5-4. Down 5-6, I brain-farted and switched racquets to drop the set 7-5. I switched back to the Juice and promptly held two more times before our court time expired at 2-2. I was very pleased with my competitive performance, despite my mental lapse and inability to close.

I was not serving great, but still somehow holding serve well with the Juice even when I missed my first serve and had to roll my second in. The stringjob made placing my serve easier than with spin strings. The swingweight felt a bit heavy for my serve (probably because my shoulder is getting old and weaker, as 370 used to be no prob a few years ago). But the ball response felt great at this swingweight. I’m thinking I need to serve some buckets of balls to get more used to it, as all my other shots were on. Either that or drop a couple of grams off the head.

This is a completely different type of racquet than I’m used to, but it seems to give me great results in competition. I think the tight locked stringjob and dense pattern just seems to pair so well with the extended length.

I’m rolling with the Juice.
 
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USPTARF97

Hall of Fame
Well, tonight I played again against a local active tournament player. He had just come back from playing an open tournament in Brazil - I think he said it was at Iguazu. I’m not sure that I understood him well - he either placed fourth, or reached the fourth round.

Anyway, the first time I played him, about a month ago, I received a thorough beatdown. This guy has the best clay-court forehand I have ever played against. He hits with more racquethead speed than anyone I have ever played against bar none. And when he has time to wind up for his Rafa-esque fearhand, he never misses, as in maybe only 1 or 2 errors per match. But his forehand is one-dimensional. He can’t hit it on clay on the rise. And while he has pretty good dropshor touch, his backhand and net game are ordinary. The first match, I lost 6-2, 6-1. The 3 games I won that first match were when I served-and-volleyed to take advantage of his deep Rafa-style return position. But I couldn’t win any of his service games because his forehand was just too good, and he could go corner to corner on me until I finally hit one too short that he can put away.

Tonight, I went with the Juice Pro, still strung with 65 lbs 15g Wilson syn gut, with some weight on sides of hoop to bring swingweight up around 370.

I played a lot better this time with the Juicee . Groundstrokes felt good on both sides. Even my forehand was serviceable, with the controlled launch angle of the syn gut stringjob giving me confidence, and plenty of spin available due to the extra length and boosted twisteright.

Volleys were pretty good too. I got rare break in the 3rd game, and we each held the next 6 games. But I couldn’t sustain my level long enough to close out the set, and after leading 5-3, I got broken with a bad game at 5-4. Down 5-6, I brain-farted and switched racquets to drop the set 7-5. I switched back to the Juice and promptly held two more times before our court time expired at 2-2. I was very pleased with my competitive performance, despite my mental lapse and inability to close.

I was not serving great, but still somehow holding serve well with the Juice even when I missed my first serve and had to roll my second in. The stringjob made placing my serve easier than with spin strings. The swingweight felt a bit heavy for my serve (probably because my shoulder is getting old and weaker, as 370 used to be no prob a few years ago). But the ball response felt great at this swingweight. I’m thinking I need to serve some buckets of balls to get more used to it, as all my other shots were on. Either that or drop a couple of grams off the head.

This is a completely different type of racquet than I’m used to, but it seems to give me great results in competition. I think the tight locked stringjob and dense pattern just seems to pair so well with the extended length.

I’m rolling with the Juice.

Think if it were me I would keep playing Synthetic Gut and maybe play 1.30 when you have access to a reel.
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
Think if it were me I would keep playing Synthetic Gut and maybe play 1.30 when you have access to a reel.
One thing I like about the 1.40 is that it seems to have excellent tension stability.

And durability probably will be a lot better than 16g.

A pack of 15g syn gut is only $7.50 here, including the stringjob labor.
 
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