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Jouke

Professional
Claus72 said:
Hello everybody, just wanted to chime in with a discovery I recently made about an italian strings brand: String Project.

A really wide and interesting line of products, I've tested their Magic string, a vey particular co-poly that make the V3 95 really shine.

As they advertise, it feels almost like a multi in terms of comfort and touch, but has the snap back of a poly when you raise the head sooed. My groundstrokes are really heavy, particularly on my backhand side, they do take care of the slightly high launch angle, adding an insane amount of spin from my eastern BH and SW FH grip, my kick serve is bouncing 6+ feet high, and I still manage to have great touch on drop shots and delicate volleys.

Give them a try, they are very reasonably priced and with a rare combo of qualities.

Claudio
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100 euros for a reel? For a string that few have heard of? You discription sounds good, but to me its a little to expensive to test like that.
 
Carreau

Carreau

Semi-Pro
dxrysiko said:
Good morning.
Ok. Can you please provide a picture of a TC-100 strung (2 piece) showing the knots?
Look at the 6T in the stringjob in the link below :
https://picclick.com/Angell-2018-V3-TC100-Tennis-Racquet-grip-273435560845.html
How many times string go through that hole?
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Here you are, two piece method was used:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/yobamfuga0ofm9s/IMG_4591.jpeg?dl=0

However, I suggest you deliver your stick to a proper stringer. :) No offence, the things we are discussing are VERY basic. And experimenting might damage your racket or grommets.
 
Carreau

Carreau

Semi-Pro
topspn said:
Judging by the TC95 V3, I do think the balance of feel/comfort has been upped without additional flex. So perhaps you’re right
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One more thing - in 300g version TC100 63RA lacks some power and shot heaviness for me. 300g 70RA version has a bit more free power and I liked it. However, with help of Saleem (thanks for him) I found that even +20g is manageable for me. And this additional weight has brought the plow, power, heaviness - all I needed. :)
 
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Claus72

New User
Jouke said:
100 euros for a reel? For a string that few have heard of? You discription sounds good, but to me its a little to expensive to test like that.
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Do you really need a reel for a test?!? A couple of sets should be enough, you can even have a test box whit several models of strings for around 70€. Diadem started with very similar prices and nobody had heard of them before.

Anyway, I'm not trying to convince anyone to spend their money, just sharing my experience, I gave them the benefit of doubt and ended up very satisfied.

Have a nice day!
 
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Claus72

New User
dxrysiko said:
Good morning.
Ok. Can you please provide a picture of a TC-100 strung (2 piece) showing the knots?
Look at the 6T in the stringjob in the link below :
https://picclick.com/Angell-2018-V3-TC100-Tennis-Racquet-grip-273435560845.html
How many times string go through that hole?
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It hurts my eyes! Whoever did that stringjob messed it up big time, both mains and crosses are tied off to the same string (6T)!

By the way, does anybody else has experienced the flaky copper paint at the top of the handle? When I switched pallets on the first of my sticks I had a big chunk of paint coming off with the grip finishing tape! I was more delicate doing the second one, afterwards was able to mask the defect a little bit by stretching the leather grip and finishing it higher on the handle, but it still bothers me!
 
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Claus72

New User
Carreau said:
Here you are, two piece method was used:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/yobamfuga0ofm9s/IMG_4591.jpeg?dl=0

However, I suggest you deliver your stick to a proper stringer. :) No offence, the things we are discussing are VERY basic. And experimenting might damage your racket or grommets.
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From your picture it seems you did a "yonex loop", that's why it's tied off at 11T, right? I did that too the first tine I strung up one of mine, but that knot touching the last main was another pain on my eyes , I know, too picky!! .

In any does this racquets are a little bit tricky to string because of the blocked holes, one piece ATW makes everything a little easier, and feels really good, unless you really need a hybrid stringjob.
 
topspn

topspn

Legend
Feel at home with my TC95s. The head size for an open pattern seems right for me and the V3 feel i think has been upped a bit. Or maybe it is the combination of frame and BK I’m playing with. I think I got lucky as well and got them 320g/10HL which after stringing and an OG came to 21 Mgr/I all ready to go. The comparatively lower SW has not bothered me and the frame still has pretty good put away power but control seems a bit higher. Just ordered two more TC95s 16x19 to match what I have. I’ll keep my TC95 18x20 for now and experiment with them a bit but the 16x19 will be my main stick. I was a bit skeptical with the lower SW on the V3 in all honesty but it has not hurt the frames playability. Maneuverability seems better at stock specs and balance of power/control seems a smidge more control and that seems to work pretty good.
 
Carreau

Carreau

Semi-Pro
Claus72 said:
From your picture it seems you did a "yonex loop", that's why it's tied off at 11T, right? I did that too the first tine I strung up one of mine, but that knot touching the last main was another pain on my eyes , I know, too picky!! .

In any does this racquets are a little bit tricky to string because of the blocked holes, one piece ATW makes everything a little easier, and feels really good, unless you really need a hybrid stringjob.
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Hmm, I think 11T is formally adviced by Angell:
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I'm not sure about this Yonex loop, however, I'm using Sergetti method where two-piece string job is required as well. :) I'm fine with this 11T knot as long as it will not impact the playability at all. :D
 
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Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
topspn said:
Feel at home with my TC95s. The head size for an open pattern seems right for me and the V3 feel i think has been upped a bit. Or maybe it is the combination of frame and BK I’m playing with. I think I got lucky as well and got them 320g/10HL which after stringing and an OG came to 21 Mgr/I all ready to go. The comparatively lower SW has not bothered me and the frame still has pretty good put away power but control seems a bit higher. Just ordered two more TC95s 16x19 to match what I have. I’ll keep my TC95 18x20 for now and experiment with them a bit but the 16x19 will be my main stick. I was a bit skeptical with the lower SW on the V3 in all honesty but it has not hurt the frames playability. Maneuverability seems better at stock specs and balance of power/control seems a smidge more control and that seems to work pretty good.
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It took me a long, long time to gel with the 16x19, but at some point, I gained confidence with the pattern, and the launch and power became weapons. And inexplicably, I'm now hitting targets and lines that I was missing by a mile in the summer. Who can understand the psychology behind the tennis swing?

I think I know the answer, but where are you finding the 18x20 inferior for your game? Little boardy and short-angled pickups and depth control? Would love a demo;)
 
topspn

topspn

Legend
Pneumated1 said:
It took me a long, long time to gel with the 16x19, but at some point, I gained confidence with the pattern, and the launch and power became weapons. And inexplicably, I'm now hitting targets and lines that I was missing by a mile in the summer. Who can understand the psychology behind the tennis swing?

I think I know the answer, but where are you finding the 18x20 inferior for your game? Little boardy and short-angled pickups and depth control? Would love a demo;)
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It is not anything glaring to be honest. Yes, a little more boardy feel comparatively speaking but I think with more string experimentation this may not be a big deal. Slithery balls pickup and approach shots require a more deliberate swing path. I really do like the racquet and it would fight for the 2nd best racquet along with the PSTGT. TC95 16x19 at my current specs and setup just allows me to not have to think about the racquet and just play.
 
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GenerationTennisElbow

Rookie
Well, just ordered a tc100, my first Angell racket. Specs are 63 ra, 310 g, 315 balance. I’m prone to elbow issues from my previous Babolat rackets so these days I string with multi/synthetic at 50 lbs or lower. The most convenient place to get it strung is a Babolat loyalist store, so I was thinking of just dropping it off and asking for something like Babolat Xcel at 49/50 lbs, but I wanted to check here to see if anybody thinks that it would be too unwieldy. I can handle lots of power (I’ve played with full natural gut in a pure drive), but if people think it really wouldn’t be controllable I could go a little out of my way to put something like Prince Control in at a little more out of the way place that has more than just Babolat strings. Any thoughts?
 
Sintherius

Sintherius

Semi-Pro
topspn said:
Feel at home with my TC95s. The head size for an open pattern seems right for me and the V3 feel i think has been upped a bit. Or maybe it is the combination of frame and BK I’m playing with. I think I got lucky as well and got them 320g/10HL which after stringing and an OG came to 21 Mgr/I all ready to go. The comparatively lower SW has not bothered me and the frame still has pretty good put away power but control seems a bit higher. Just ordered two more TC95s 16x19 to match what I have. I’ll keep my TC95 18x20 for now and experiment with them a bit but the 16x19 will be my main stick. I was a bit skeptical with the lower SW on the V3 in all honesty but it has not hurt the frames playability. Maneuverability seems better at stock specs and balance of power/control seems a smidge more control and that seems to work pretty good.
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How’s the tension maintenance/playability on BK? What other string would you compare it to most in terms of those?
 
saleem

saleem

Semi-Pro
GenerationTennisElbow said:
Well, just ordered a tc100, my first Angell racket. Specs are 63 ra, 310 g, 315 balance. I’m prone to elbow issues from my previous Babolat rackets so these days I string with multi/synthetic at 50 lbs or lower. The most convenient place to get it strung is a Babolat loyalist store, so I was thinking of just dropping it off and asking for something like Babolat Xcel at 49/50 lbs, but I wanted to check here to see if anybody thinks that it would be too unwieldy. I can handle lots of power (I’ve played with full natural gut in a pure drive), but if people think it really wouldn’t be controllable I could go a little out of my way to put something like Prince Control in at a little more out of the way place that has more than just Babolat strings. Any thoughts?
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Sintherius said:
How’s the tension maintenance/playability on BK? What other string would you compare it to most in terms of those?
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Tecnifibre HDX is a nice choice for multi
 
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Christian Andersson

New User
pro_staff_user said:
Been loving my TC95 18x20 to bits. Playing almost everyday (weather permitting).
Yesterday, my coach got the Yonex vCore Pro , which I believe is a 97 sq in 16x19 310g unstrung racket. I played with it for about 30-40 mins and noticed that it was easier to hit forehands with , my TC95 wins on bh. It got me thinking if a TC97 16x19 would be worth the investment. Anybody who has both the TC 95 18x20 and TC97 16x19 care to comment ? does it hit as easily as the vCore Pro?
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I have a 95 18x20, and also a 95 16x19 70ra (main sticks), and I had two 16x19 97 that I sold. Not a bad frame, but the one I have liked the least of all Angells tried. My bet is that the 97 16x19 won't help you with the forehand. I think the 95 16x19 in 70 ra could be a better choice. The difference in head size is minimal.

I used to play Duel G 97 and DR98 for a long time before I got an Angell addiction. :)
 
pro_staff_user

pro_staff_user

Rookie
Christian Andersson said:
I have a 95 18x20, and also a 95 16x19 70ra (main sticks), and I had two 16x19 97 that I sold. Not a bad frame, but the one I have liked the least of all Angells tried. My bet is that the 97 16x19 won't help you with the forehand. I think the 95 16x19 in 70 ra could be a better choice. The difference in head size is minimal.

I used to play Duel G 97 and DR98 for a long time before I got an Angell addiction. :)
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hmm.. The main reason I chose the 18x20 63ra version was bcoz of arm issues which still persisted ever so slightly with the Angell + Poly strings. Going full bed multi has kept my arm issues at bay, for the moment. I am doing some tinkering now as per Saleem's suggestions. Will play with this set-up for a few weeks and see where it goes.
 
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Christian Andersson

New User
pro_staff_user said:
hmm.. The main reason I chose the 18x20 63ra version was bcoz of arm issues which still persisted ever so slightly with the Angell + Poly strings. Going full bed multi has kept my arm issues at bay, for the moment. I am doing some tinkering now as per Saleem's suggestions. Will play with this set-up for a few weeks and see where it goes.
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I have the 63ra 18x20. To be honest the difference to my arm is none with a poly strung low. 18x20 pattern gives a more boardy feel due to the denser pattern, you have to keep it lower on tension to maintain comfort.
I have also struggled with arm problems, but the 95 70ra is very comfortable (low on vibration), just a crisper response that I prefer to the 63ra versions (Also tried tc100 63ra). I play the 18x20 at 40-42lbs and the 16x19 at 45-46lbs with poly. Arm problems is very individual, and RA not everything to it. DR98 considered as arm friendly, low ra, was still worse for me than 70ra tc95 to mention an example of mine.

The most comfortable is the K7, maybe that is something to consider for you? Still a low ra, larger head size and 16x19.
I like the K7 also, easy to play with.

But if you want to play multi there are a lot of benefits continue with the 18x20 pattern due to durability of the strings. Since all Angell 16x19 are quite open they eat multi strings very fast.
Most Yonex 16x19 are tighter. Personally I don't think any Angell will feel as a Yonex, due to the difference in head shape.
 
pro_staff_user

pro_staff_user

Rookie
Christian Andersson said:
I have the 63ra 18x20. To be honest the difference to my arm is none with a poly strung low. 18x20 pattern gives a more boardy feel due to the denser pattern, you have to keep it lower on tension to maintain comfort.
I have also struggled with arm problems, but the 95 70ra is very comfortable (low on vibration), just a crisper response that I prefer to the 63ra versions (Also tried tc100 63ra). I play the 18x20 at 40-42lbs and the 16x19 at 45-46lbs with poly. Arm problems is very individual, and RA not everything to it. DR98 considered as arm friendly, low ra, was still worse for me than 70ra tc95 to mention an example of mine.

The most comfortable is the K7, maybe that is something to consider for you? Still a low ra, larger head size and 16x19.
I like the K7 also, easy to play with.

But if you want to play multi there are a lot of benefits continue with the 18x20 pattern due to durability of the strings. Since all Angell 16x19 are quite open they eat multi strings very fast.
Most Yonex 16x19 are tighter. Personally I don't think any Angell will feel as a Yonex, due to the difference in head shape.
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I agree, 18x20 does provide a boardy feel. I started stringing polys at low 50s and went to down to low 40s but they just don't agree with my arm. And it gets really hard to control the ball at 40-42lbs. The only reason I am sticking to Multis is because of my arm problems.
 
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Christian Andersson

New User
pro_staff_user said:
I agree, 18x20 does provide a boardy feel. I started stringing polys at low 50s and went to down to low 40s but they just don't agree with my arm. The only reason I am sticking to Multis is because of my arm problems.
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Tried 1.25 Solinco Hyper G? One of the best polys for the arms I have tried (1.20 version felt stiffer). Stringing it a lot for my customers that have had arm issues. But multi will always be softer of course. But given that you need higher tension on a multi and can decrease tension with a poly I think it evens out a bit.
 
Nick777

Nick777

Semi-Pro
Christian Andersson said:
Tried 1.25 Solinco Hyper G? One of the best polys for the arms I have tried (1.20 version felt stiffer). Stringing it a lot for my customers that have had arm issues. But multi will always be softer of course. But given that you need higher tension on a multi and can decrease tension with a poly I think it evens out a bit.
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I found hyper g really stiff for a sensitive arm, yptp is my main string which is really soft for a poly with very good playability and tension maintenance overall
 
topspn

topspn

Legend
Sintherius said:
How’s the tension maintenance/playability on BK? What other string would you compare it to most in terms of those?
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I am on hour 8 or so and its playing very well. I also experienced good longevity with it on my PSTGTs. I am not sure i can compare it to another poly on those attributes. Lyon also has good tension maintenance but longevity is in favor of BK. For the price of BK, I don’t know any other poly could compete. I’ll finish the packs i have then maybe buy a reel
 
Sintherius

Sintherius

Semi-Pro
topspn said:
I am on hour 8 or so and its playing very well. I also experienced good longevity with it on my PSTGTs. I am not sure i can compare it to another poly on those attributes. Lyon also has good tension maintenance but longevity is in favor of BK. For the price of BK, I don’t know any other poly could compete. I’ll finish the packs i have then maybe buy a reel
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Just sounds like a no brainer at this point - I’m ordering a few packs to try out. Gotta love free shipping over $25!
 
topspn

topspn

Legend
Another extremely comfortable poly for the peeps looking for that due to arm issues. Tourna Black Zone is truly comfortable for a poly. I don’t know i have tried a poly with more comfort. Maybe big hitter black 7, scorpion and polyfibre TCS also top the comfort category
 
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Christian Andersson

New User
Nick777 said:
If you had sensitive arm you definetely could feel the difference!
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Both are soft for a poly we can agree on. But I have strung hyper g for many customers with arm problems with other polys that cured them. Myself I did not like YTPT so I have not used it as much. Though 1,20 Hyper G seemed more firm than 1,25 to me.
 
topspn

topspn

Legend
Sintherius said:
Yeah I planned on keeping it between 45-48 lbs. That range seems to be my sweet spot, particularly with the TC95.
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I had it @48lbs on my PSTGT and lowered it to 46lbs on TC95 and plays beautifully. A combo of comfort, spin, power, control and longevity that is somehow balanced very well. You can find more powerful string or grabbier string or just very high control but the balance on BK is just right. It has this slippery surface and while a hexagonal string, it almost seems round and even tames higher launch angle of TC95

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pro_staff_user

pro_staff_user

Rookie
Christian Andersson said:
Tried 1.25 Solinco Hyper G? One of the best polys for the arms I have tried (1.20 version felt stiffer). Stringing it a lot for my customers that have had arm issues. But multi will always be softer of course. But given that you need higher tension on a multi and can decrease tension with a poly I think it evens out a bit.
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Felt that Hyper G 16 was quite stiff, not sure if I wanna try 1.25. TWU lists its stiffness at 218. Yikes !! The softest poly I have tried is Sonic Pro 16 and TWU lists it at 160, which I think is fair.
 
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Christian Andersson

New User
pro_staff_user said:
Felt that Hyper G 16 was quite stiff, not sure if I wanna try 1.25. TWU lists its stiffness at 218. Yikes !! The softest poly I have tried is Sonic Pro 16 and TWU lists it at 160, which I think is fair.
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Yes, TWU value is really high, but I don't think that always translates to how it feels. Many others reports the same about Hyper G feeling a lot softer than it's value.
Example: http://www.tennis.com/gear/2015/08/string-review-solinco-hyper-g/55970/

An example is MSV Focus HEX 1.18 that has a rating of 186, but it plays clearly stiffer/crisper at the same tension than Hyper G 1,25. I have used both a lot in the Angells at 45-46lbs. So at least I do not fully trust those values in direct relation to how it feels to play with. But if you did have problems with 1.30 I guess you shall try something else. I have only tried 1.25/1.20.
 
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drak

Hall of Fame
continue to play with Klip Legend Mains and Prince diablo prism crosses at low 60's mains and 46 crosses. The playability and tension maintenance and for me durability is fantastic in my Tc100 70ra, I do play indoors at altitude so I would not play with the mains this tight if at sea level.
 
Carreau

Carreau

Semi-Pro
topspn said:
I am on hour 8 or so and its playing very well. I also experienced good longevity with it on my PSTGTs. I am not sure i can compare it to another poly on those attributes. Lyon also has good tension maintenance but longevity is in favor of BK. For the price of BK, I don’t know any other poly could compete. I’ll finish the packs i have then maybe buy a reel
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I'm keen to try it after your very positive feedback. But seems it is not available in TW Europe and Tennis-Point as well. I will try to find it in **** later on.
 
DelPeric

DelPeric

New User
I just got my Angell TC97 16x19(310g, 31.5cm balance) and put yonex poly tour pro 1,25 black 24kg mains 23kg crosses. (Played with pro staff cv at 25/24kg msv focus hex 1,23 -edge strig for 2 years). Feeling is totaly different. It is very soft on the arm, much more feel and control, you notice that the ball "stays on the srings" a bit longer. Everything is ok, i just have to get used to this feeling, my ball has less spin because i now use oval profile string so i tend to overhit a little when i strike the ball with full strenght. But when i want to place the ball in the corner with 80% of power used, it is much easyer. Biggest difference felt was on my double hander, i can feel the thinner beam when i am late on the ball or when i hit it near the beam of racquet. I will try it with my usual edge strings at my usual tension and then i will post again.. I did not want to string my focus hex because i read here that those type of strings can brake the grommets so i used oval string like yonex ptp.
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Nick777

Nick777

Semi-Pro
topspn said:
No, I don’t think so but you can get an Angell A shape pallet more longish sides like Head.
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Thats the only choice i think, head pallet was easy to find were i am from but now i have to order which are unavailable, the are receiving the end of the month.. Topspn they didnt say that only grip A is the one i can order, they just said to confirm which type of grip i prefer
 
topspn

topspn

Legend
Nick777 said:
Thats the only choice i think, head pallet was easy to find were i am from but now i have to order which are unavailable, the are receiving the end of the month.. Topspn they didnt say that only grip A is the one i can order, they just said to confirm which type of grip i prefer
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I’m not sure I understand. Angell has pallets in the size you want which I think run a bit small. I had to move to an L4 size as L3 were small for me. You also have a voice of A shape (like head), B shape (like Wilson) or C shape (roundish like prince)
 
Nick777

Nick777

Semi-Pro
topspn said:
I’m not sure I understand. Angell has pallets in the size you want which I think run a bit small. I had to move to an L4 size as L3 were small for me. You also have a voice of A shape (like head), B shape (like Wilson) or C shape (roundish like prince)
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Yes thats correct! What I wanted to say and for give my poor English is that if head pallet fit Angell rackets it would be easier to find in my country and at half of the Price Angell pallets cost, but its no big deal..
 
topspn

topspn

Legend
Nick777 said:
Yes thats correct! What I wanted to say and for give my poor English is that if head pallet fit Angell rackets it would be easier to find in my country and at half of the Price Angell pallets cost, but its no big deal..
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Ah sorry, but better then not having any options :)
 
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