mcenroefan
Hall of Fame
I think a slower surface would be to Federer's advantage against Monfils.
They need to water the courts more.Roland Garros is playing like a hardcourt!
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I think a slower surface would be to Federer's advantage against Monfils.
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AprilFool
Guest
None of my business but best wishes on your new path.
ambro
Professional
I assume that no courses focusing on logic and reasoning were required for such a major? Or at least you did not do well in them...
crazylevity
Hall of Fame
^^ Alright, enough is enough. Stop picking on him. What he does in his private life is of no concern to anyone else, even though we hope, N_F, that you do well on the path we call life, and recognize that there is much more in the world out there than tennis and our heroes.
Nadal_Freak
Banned
Thanks for the support. I will hopefully not fail in life. I did pretty well in school my first go. This time I hope to pick a better option for a career. I'm thinking Science and Technology would be a good choice.
It takes true balls to stand up and tell the truth on an internet forum full of trolls. Totally uncalled for.
adidas_wilson
Banned
I have to take the blame for starting on N_F. But I didn't set out to get into his work ethic.. So I apologize for it getting out of hand.
But my problem with him was because I was wondering why someone with no life experience. Or very little. Can act and respond to threads like someone that would actually know any different..
Secondly, he has claimed that he doesn't play tennis, has never been to a tournament, or seen it live. Yet he makes statements and argues points of which he would have no idea?
What started this latest problem with him, was he was acting like Nadals work schedule is too tough..
As a man that has studied, worked, and played tennis my whole life. And now currently raising a family. I found that comment to be childish and naive.
It wasn't until I realized that N_F was at the age he was, and living off of his parents hard work, when I realized that if you havn't honestly worked for a living. Then I guess it is easy to make that argument regarding Nadal.
It seems that the Nadal post was one of someone that has taken from others without little effort, and therefor believes that it should be the case for anyone, even his own favourite player to be given the easy ride through life..
Tennis players at the level of Nadal make insane amounts of money. If they cant handle the pace or the schedule. Then they should find another job..
But my problem with him was because I was wondering why someone with no life experience. Or very little. Can act and respond to threads like someone that would actually know any different..
Secondly, he has claimed that he doesn't play tennis, has never been to a tournament, or seen it live. Yet he makes statements and argues points of which he would have no idea?
What started this latest problem with him, was he was acting like Nadals work schedule is too tough..
As a man that has studied, worked, and played tennis my whole life. And now currently raising a family. I found that comment to be childish and naive.
It wasn't until I realized that N_F was at the age he was, and living off of his parents hard work, when I realized that if you havn't honestly worked for a living. Then I guess it is easy to make that argument regarding Nadal.
It seems that the Nadal post was one of someone that has taken from others without little effort, and therefor believes that it should be the case for anyone, even his own favourite player to be given the easy ride through life..
Tennis players at the level of Nadal make insane amounts of money. If they cant handle the pace or the schedule. Then they should find another job..
zagor
Bionic Poster
Yup,second this.NF showed some stones here,respect.
Yes,Nadal Freak good luck and don't worry no matter what anyone says here.It's never too late for education and surely everybody is entitled to his opinion no matter if he has never earned a penny in his life.I hope you stay in college now and post less here.
Good one, Malakas...
Rhino
Legend
Monte Carlo courts are the same as RG, it's just that it's almost always really hot on the French Riviera, but Paris has all kinds of weather.
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Deleted member 21996
Guest
Robin SOderling....
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woodrow1029
Guest
Don't pay attention to the self proclaimed Tennisfan, who apparently doesn't watch tennis.
ambro
Professional
Fair enough. I normally stay out of arguments about who's better, why Fed is the GOAT, why Nadal sucks, etc., because they usually consist of people making idiots of themselves with absurd comments. Although I do enjoy reading them to get some laughs... But some of the posts I've seen from N_F in this thread making excuses for Nadal, talking physics, etc., and when those reasons are refuted, he just keeps coming up with more? There just seems to be no logic in his arguments. But I digress, I will stop... Unless I see more ridiculous posts from him, that is (...kidding).
It's not his obsession for Nadal I was making fun of, it was the lack of logic in his arguments, something that has always bothered me, because it is something that comes naturally to me. And I have no problems posting "career" details of myself. I am a sophomore at the University of Wisconsin - Madison majoring in Materials Science and Engineering carrying a 4.0 GPA through high school and also through my freshman year of college. Not bragging or implying that I know everything there is to know, far from it. But you were obviously implying that you wanted me to post details of my life since I was poking fun at N_F's so there you go.
ambro
Professional
Oh come on, it was sitting there, ripe for the picking. With some things he's said in this thread, how can that be passed up? Admittedly, it was said with some seriousness, but mainly just a joke to push some buttons. And I'm not sure I totally understand your post, but I hope you're not calling me a troll. That would be insane.
Nadal_Freak
Banned
Dude it's not even close. Watch the Monte-Carlo final and watch the RG final of last year back-to-back. The conditions were heavy last year at RG. The points are twice as long at Monte-Carlo. They got a nice thick layer of clay on top at Monte-Carlo while you see the brown soil underneath way too often at RG. RG clay is more bouncy as well which helps the server a lot.
tennisplaya
Rookie
They'll probably water them a lot of Soderling makes the final.
This is what Davydenko said after his match:
Q. Hehits the ball flat or he hits the ball with topspin?
NIKOLAY DAVYDENKO: Yeah, he was hitting flat and sometimes crosstopspin very well. I have nochance. It's was ‑‑ I don't know,it was different between. Against Verdasco playing today,different. Today different weather,balls much more faster, courts much faster.
It's not so hot, 25degrees, but feeling like ‑‑ I don't know, we play on hardcourt. For me it was fast.
This is what Davydenko said after his match:
Q. Hehits the ball flat or he hits the ball with topspin?
NIKOLAY DAVYDENKO: Yeah, he was hitting flat and sometimes crosstopspin very well. I have nochance. It's was ‑‑ I don't know,it was different between. Against Verdasco playing today,different. Today different weather,balls much more faster, courts much faster.
It's not so hot, 25degrees, but feeling like ‑‑ I don't know, we play on hardcourt. For me it was fast.
ambro
Professional
Sorry to keep nitpicking you, but what exactly do you mean by "the conditions were heavy" at RG last year? And what are you implying that means as far as the play and how the ball reacts? Just want some clarification before I say anything further.
Nadal_Freak
Banned
It was about 60 degrees and it was humid with very little sun coming through. Nadal took advantage of the slightly slower conditions but the points were still much shorter than Monte-Carlo. But I guess the French Open is now a good transition to Wimbledon. I actually think RG is faster than Rome. Not as fast as Madrid though.
Nadal_Freak
Banned
I just said the courts played fast for a clay court even on a cold and humid day. I guess you weren't listening. I got the match on tape. Nadal was hitting through the court that day. Not relying on his defense.
ambro
Professional
That is what I thought you meant, but I wanted to be sure. It is a common misconception, but humid air is actually LESS dense than dry air, though it feels like the conditions are "heavy." Thus, if anything, balls travel faster through humid air (marginally, not noticeable) rather than slower. And the temperature makes little difference in the speed of the ball.
It is obvious that you are just looking for things to comment on RG being faster and why Nadal lost. Certainly, you can't think RG is faster than Wimbledon last year can you? Yet, Nadal won that with no troubles until Fed. How come he had such troubles this year at RG, when it is undoubtedly still slower than Wimbledon last year, which he won? He lost, he had a bad day, Soderling played good. It was not the courts, the balls, his strings, his pink shirt, or anything else. Stop finding excuses, it is getting old.
It is obvious that you are just looking for things to comment on RG being faster and why Nadal lost. Certainly, you can't think RG is faster than Wimbledon last year can you? Yet, Nadal won that with no troubles until Fed. How come he had such troubles this year at RG, when it is undoubtedly still slower than Wimbledon last year, which he won? He lost, he had a bad day, Soderling played good. It was not the courts, the balls, his strings, his pink shirt, or anything else. Stop finding excuses, it is getting old.
Mungo73
Banned
Del Potro said it again and today it wasnt hot and dry!
JUAN MARTIN DEL POTRO: A lot: My movement, my forehand, my serve. Now I can play like hardcourt. You know, the courts are faster than two years ago, so the game is very similar. This is an advantage for me.
http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/news/interviews/2009-06-03/200906031244056171398.html
are you going to admit that Roland Garros is playing like a hardcourt AND NOT BECAUSE OF THE WEATHER???
JUAN MARTIN DEL POTRO: A lot: My movement, my forehand, my serve. Now I can play like hardcourt. You know, the courts are faster than two years ago, so the game is very similar. This is an advantage for me.
http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/news/interviews/2009-06-03/200906031244056171398.html
are you going to admit that Roland Garros is playing like a hardcourt AND NOT BECAUSE OF THE WEATHER???
zagor
Bionic Poster
Do you think thay sped it up to help Fed win? Those *******s.This is not the way claycourt tennis should be played.
Mungo73
Banned
WTF? whats your reading comprehension dude? did i say a word about Fed here? did you read davydenko and del potro??? are you watching the matches?
it is playing like a hardcourt!
zagor
Bionic Poster
Oh I was agreeing with you,the French are biased against Nadal so they sped up the surface to make it much more difficult for him.They're ruining claycourt tennis.
"When water vapor content increases in the moist air the amount of Oxygen and Nitrogen decreases per unit volume and the density decreases because the mass is decreasing."
And viscosity increases with density.
So dry air offers more drag than humid air.
moisture on the balls makes them heavier though. swings and roundabouts.
zagor
Bionic Poster
so let me get this straight; Nadal can only win on certain court speeds?
He needs to work on that
Yes but it's not just the court speed,the altitude,the bounce,the draw,schedule,crowd etc. have a big effect as well.Nadal is a player whose game is very sensitive to tournament conditions.
LanceStern
Professional
Watching Fed/Monfils today is certainly looked like a hardcourt game, those balls were ZIPPING!
It was going so fast I literally said to my tv, "Wow that's too fast for clay. This is a hardcourt!"
It was going so fast I literally said to my tv, "Wow that's too fast for clay. This is a hardcourt!"
Nadal_Freak
Banned
Exactly. That's what I've been saying. Watch Monte-Carlo or even Rome and you get to see the enjoyment of extended rallys. Fitness is not much of a factor at RG anymore. Big shots and handling the high ball is all that is left of it. RG is playing like a slow hardcourt.
Mungo73
Banned
you are so blind you cant listen to davydenko and del potro. you cant see past Fed and Nadal, this is not about them
Rhino
Legend
sometimes Nadal loses. get over it.
Mungo73
Banned
yeah but clay shouldnt play like a hardcourt. read del potro and davydenko. where is the variety if everything plays like a hardcourt???
I get what you're saying, but then the grass at Wimbledon (in the last 2-3 yrs) hasn't been playing as fast as before. I think it is a mistake by the organisers.. there should be a variety in the surfaces.. they also abolished indoor carpet, which i think is a huge mistake !!
