King No1e
G.O.A.T.
Djokovic would have very likely won in 2008
Thiem: Federer would have won 7 French Open if it wasn't for Nadal
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tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Yes, clearly, evidenced by their 2008 Monte Carlo meeting.
Djokovic would be more likely to retire than beat Federer.
TheAssassin
Legend
Strange. I thought he scored at least one win over Federer in each season from 2007 to 2016. Silly me. :/
Atennisone
Hall of Fame
Lol he'd have 2 
King No1e
G.O.A.T.
Djokovic put up a fight vs Nadal while Fedr got thrashed. The Djoker played better at RG that year
I can perfectly see Djokovic beating him there at least on 3 editions, 2008 almost a lock.
beard
Legend
Congrats to Federer for anorher 5 or 6 hypothetical slams...
"If there wouldn’t be Rafa he would be on six or seven French Open titles. That was his only problem, I would say."
Yes Nadal on clay was his only problem... and Nadal on grass... and Nadal on hard.... and Novak on hard... and Novak on grass... and Novak on clay...
Well, his only problem was hard competition... 9-18...Goat-hood...
Subway Tennis
Legend
Imagine there's no nadal,
It's easy if you try,
No clay below us,
Only low bouncing carpet,
Imagine all the players
Playing entertaining tennis...
Imagine there's no nadal
It isn't hard to do
No cheating to bear
And no faking too
Imagine all the players
Playing tennis in peace...
Imagine no topspin plague,
I wonder if you can,
No need for buttpick or phony uncle,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the players
Butchering the golden bull...
You may say I'm a dreamer,
But I'm not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And tennis will be saved.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
byealmeens
Semi-Pro
Excellent points … and often overlooked in these discussions. Federer’s dominance against the field was greatly due to Nadal, as I would say was Nadal’s improvement on other surfaces (non-clay). They pushed each other in incredible ways, and both became extremely difficult to play anywhere. Now one could certainly argue that Federer was a bit better against the field in his prime than Nadal (on all surfaces), but neither would have been AS effective without the other. The rivalry is quite possibly the greatest in our sport, and the effects of it are often undervalued due to head-to-head & GOAT discussions.
BTW … the same applies to Novak. There is no way he would have pushed to such heights, if not for Federer and Nadal.
D
Deleted member 762343
Guest
It depends. When ? Between 2005 and 2008 ? Definitely. After that, not really (2011 being an exception). Overall, Nadal was his main problem, not his only problem.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Federer who lost 1 3 0 would still be good enough to beat Djokovic in that tournament lol
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
lmao, ok
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Djokovic certain to beat Federer based on him winning more games against Nadal.
TTW, never change.
He edged a tight 3 setter over mono Fed in which Fed choked numerous leads on slow AO plexicushion which is his best surface.
On clay, with Fed in better form and being the better clay player I think Federer is clearly the favourite. If we take 08 in isolation, Fed going for CGS can’t see him losing to 08 djokovic.
Congrats to Federer for anorher 5 or 6 hypothetical slams...
"If there wouldn’t be Rafa he would be on six or seven French Open titles. That was his only problem, I would say."
Yes Nadal on clay was his only problem... and Nadal on grass... and Nadal on hard.... and Novak on hard... and Novak on grass... and Novak on clay...
Well, his only problem was hard competition... 9-18...Goat-hood...
Nole should count himself lucky he faced an older Fed rather than the prime version or else he might only have 0-1 Wimbledon USO titles.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
You seriously have to stop riding Nadal's coat tails. Federer has beaten Djokovic at every single major. It's the weakest thing a Djokovic fan can do or vice versa.
Congrats to Federer for anorher 5 or 6 hypothetical slams...
"If there wouldn’t be Rafa he would be on six or seven French Open titles. That was his only problem, I would say."
Yes Nadal on clay was his only problem... and Nadal on grass... and Nadal on hard.... and Novak on hard... and Novak on grass... and Novak on clay...
Well, his only problem was hard competition... 9-18...Goat-hood...
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
Nishikori has proclaimed Federer GOAT. Haven't you heard? LOL
I haven't. If true that is a groundbreaking news. It will shake tennis as we know it.
HetTheGreaterer
Banned
I'd rather give 2018 RG to JMDP or Diego....
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
Go ahead and scratch him off the already short list that you have accumulated.
To be fair, I am not sure what are you talking about. You are more interesting to me than tennis. I read somewhere that you own a store. How is business going?
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
As long as people keep drinking beer and smoking cigarettes, I'll be fine.
That is great. Have your ever been robbed? Do your children work in a store sometimes?
Deon Sanders
Legend
6 more titles that add nothing to his real tennis slam record
Cant seem to find any cares
Cant seem to find any cares
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
I'm in a pretty good location. Police station is only half a mile down the road. I'm the 2nd store down from our county's biggest employer(factory) so I do good on breakfast items early in the day and beer etc. in the evenings. Pretty slow in between a lot of days. Kids are too young, but I let them think they are helping. Hired a couple of older ladies that I can trust. It's not too bad. Most people are nice because I have what they want
, but lets not derail TMF thread.
Federer and Del Potro
Bionic Poster
Fed would have 1,000 slems if nobody else played in them.
Federer and Del Potro
Bionic Poster
PeteD
Legend
Not by a lot of people. Mary Carillo once commented Fed is 2nd best clay player in her experience. JMac,who has also been around a long time, didn't challenge it.
EloQuent
Legend
06 and 07 are pretty clear imo, Nadal took a set or two off fed in the final and both won their SF/QF convincingly.
2011 you can make an argument for Tsonga, who lost to Djokovic in the SF in 4, and had just beaten Nadal at Queen's.
2018 was a strange tournament. Honestly don't think Nadal was playing that great, but nobody was.
I'm in a pretty good location. Police station is only half a mile down the road. I'm the 2nd store down from our county's biggest employer(factory) so I do good on breakfast items early in the day and beer etc. in the evenings. Pretty slow in between a lot of days. Kids are too young, but I let them think they are helping. Hired a couple of older ladies that I can trust. It's not too bad. Most people are nice because I have what they want
It sounds great. I am glad that things work well for you. Regarding the thread, it is like discussion about maximal number of angels that can stand together on a pinhead. You just need to go back in time, eliminate Nadal and see what happens.
Disagree. He lost to Federer in 2006 and 2007 so at max he would have won 4 Wimbledon.
I think he's very likely to win in 2007 without Federer. However in 2006 he lost to Federer in straight sets, so I'm optimistic that someone else could have won that year.
The correct answer is either 3 or 4 Wimbledon.
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BGod
G.O.A.T.
2006 he beat Nadal in 4 sets. Without Federer it's likely Ancic makes the Final and at that time Nadal lead 4-1 with the one loss on carpet and having even beaten Ancic at Wimbledon 3 years prior. So I don't think Nadal loses 06. In 07 obviously he'd be getting Gasquet, although Roddick that year against Nadal would have been intriguing. However with domino effects you could argue he might win 2011 Wimbledon without Federer having thwarted him or 2018 Wimbledon.
You're right, it was 4 sets not 3 in 2006. Could have been 3 set if Federer didn't take his foot off the pedal in the 3rd set.
Not sure about Nadal beating Nole in 2011 Wimbledon without Federer. Nole was in his head that year after beating him on clay. Federer has nothing to do with it since he was never in Nadal's way in 2011.
2018 Wimbledon final was VERY close and could have gone Nadal's way if Federer wasn't around. Federer was in his mind and he even stated that he doesn't want to play Federer. Psychological effects could have cost him that Wimbledon.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Dom is 25 and should be fielding questions about his multiple slam wins instead of endlessly being asked about oldster Roger. Thiwm needs to write the script of his own career at this point....
Now watch him lose second round in MC.
Look at bae
beard
Legend
Nadal fans will forgive me, after all Nadal and Novak are two real co-goats...
And Nadal is my second favourite player...
beard
Legend
Yes, Nadal would have more slams without Federer, but not that many more...
After all, in real life he busted his ass, so hypothetical titles doesn't add too much to his real legacy. That's pity for him, hypothetical slams are so sweet to get, and comes in batch...
ChaelAZ
G.O.A.T.
Nadalgaenger
G.O.A.T.
Fed wins at least 4 in 2005-2009, then 2011. So I say 5. Not sure how Thiem gets to 7.
beard
Legend
You are right, only explanation is that Tim thinks that Fed wound not chicken out of those latest RG's and would win most if not all
You know Fed is hypothetical titles goat, only sky is his limit...
In fact, Dominic, like every good Fed fan here, bashed him reminding that he was Nadal's toy on clay (not that he wasn't his toy on less scale on other surfaces)...
Dominic... You little devil...
