USO 2018 R4: [2] Federer vs Millman

[ACE of Hearts]

Nadal and Djokovic are in the middle of their final surge too. So the next 18 months should be very interesting. Both of those guys have a far more physical game than Federer and rely heavily on movement. We'll see what happens.

Really? That’s a good one. You have faith in these other players? Nadal and Djokovic will be bagging slams for the next 3 years barring injury.

 

[ACE of Hearts]

Terrible match, give some props to Millman, who never gave up, did so few errors and was attacking when he was able to. And he served decently. Of course this Fed was abysmal, but the other guy needs to capitalize.
Sad for this loss, but Fed was never going to win this tournament with Djokovic in his half. Still, I feel this US Open keeps some surprises to unveil - I dont think a Djokovic-Nadal final is a lock, specially in the manacori's side, where Thiem and Del Potro are playing serious ball...

After Djokovic won his match i knew he was gonna throw a stinker. Either way i sure joker is glad he will get to destroy the milkman in straight sets. Something Federer should have done last night.

 

[mightyrick]

Really? That’s a good one. You have faith in these other players? Nadal and Djokovic will be bagging slams for the next 3 years barring injury.

It has next to nothing to do with other players and everything to do with Father Time.

 

[ACE of Hearts]

It has next to nothing to do with other players and everything to do with Father Time.

I don’t think Father Time will come any soon for these two guys. I thought Nadal would burn out a couple of years ago and he’s still winning slams. Djokovic is back to his old self again. Nadal’s likely the favorite for the french next year again.

 

[Red Rick]

They upset Fed's equilibrium. He's not used to varying his schedule, playing daytime one minute and nighttime the next. He likes to keep everything the same throughout the tournament. The tournament organisers always grant his wishes but I don't think Djoker was putting up with all that this time.

Might a thing to look at historically, but I'm too lazy to do it

 

[Red Rick]

I don’t think Father Time will come any soon for these two guys. I thought Nadal would burn out a couple of years ago and he’s still winning slams. Djokovic is back to his old self again. Nadal’s likely the favorite for the french next year again.

Nadal and Djokovic do have the benefit that their main competition in Grand Slams right now is about the same age they are, although they have less mileage

Delpo and Cilic are both hitting the Big Three Zero in a few weeks, and especially Delpo has always been more vulnerable to injury

Federer's only hope is

.....

Mythical Aggressive Murray

 

[West Coast Ace]

They upset Fed's equilibrium. He's not used to varying his schedule, playing daytime one minute and nighttime the next. He likes to keep everything the same throughout the tournament. The tournament organisers always grant his wishes but I don't think Djoker was putting up with all that this time.

I bet Fed asked for the day match vs Kyrgios because of his big serve. And since on paper both R16s were mismatches TV wanted Fed at night for ratings.

He got old - his eyes and reflexes are in decline. Couldn’t return Djokovic’s 2nd serves in daylight in Cincy.

 

[mike danny]

Not really. Is the Murray fanbase here comparable? No. How about Wawrinka? No, not that I've noticed. There is a very vocal bunch of Fed fans here who live vicariously through their idol and act like massive tools due to their insecurity. Outside this place sure most Fed fans are perfectly fine people but they also have lives and their happiness is not tied to Feds relative success.

I'm talking about the Big 3 fanbases. I'm not buying for a second the idea that Fed fans are the worst when Nadal and Djokovic have had obnoxious fanboys.

 

[mike danny]

After Djokovic won his match i knew he was gonna throw a stinker. Either way i sure joker is glad he will get to destroy the milkman in straight sets. Something Federer should have done last night.

He could have thrown a stinker even after Djokovic had presumably lost. Remember USO 2014.

 

[mike danny]

I don’t think Father Time will come any soon for these two guys. I thought Nadal would burn out a couple of years ago and he’s still winning slams. Djokovic is back to his old self again. Nadal’s likely the favorite for the french next year again.

Things can change quickly in tennis.

 

[ACE of Hearts]

Things can change quickly in tennis.

Well I don’t see it with these two. They’re ATGs. Also not impressed with these future players.

 

[BringBackSV]

I'm talking about the Big 3 fanbases. I'm not buying for a second the idea that Fed fans are the worst when Nadal and Djokovic have had obnoxious fanboys.

Well, yes they all do to some extent. From my observation it is simply more often the case that they are Fed fans but it's not solely them, no.

 

[mightyrick]

I don’t think Father Time will come any soon for these two guys. I thought Nadal would burn out a couple of years ago and he’s still winning slams. Djokovic is back to his old self again. Nadal’s likely the favorite for the french next year again.

Well, I guess what you or I think on the topic doesn't matter that much. Father Time will do what he will, regardless. We'll see how it goes.

 

[West Coast Ace]

Well, I guess what you or I think on the topic doesn't matter that much. Father Time will do what he will, regardless. We'll see how it goes.

PS - and throw in a healthy dose of Motivation. It hits fast and hard too.

 

[merwy]

Well I don’t see it with these two. They’re ATGs. Also not impressed with these future players.

I’m kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place. I want Fed to keep the GS lead but does that mean I’ll have to root for Zedbot In slams?? Not a fun situation to look forward to

 

[merwy]

Well, I guess what you or I think on the topic doesn't matter that much. Father Time will do what he will, regardless. We'll see how it goes.

Father Time will do its thing eventually, no one is denying that, but the question is when. Let’s be honest, does it look like Djokodal are slowing down?

 

[mike danny]

Well I don’t see it with these two. They’re ATGs. Also not impressed with these future players.

Didn't Djokovic just recently go through a slump?

Wasn't Nadal a hot mess just 2 years ago?

Let's not pretend like these 2 have been playing tremendously with no interruptions.

 

[mike danny]

Father Time will do its thing eventually, no one is denying that, but the question is when. Let’s be honest, does it look like Djokodal are slowing down?

Right now it doesn't, but many times Fed didn't look like slowing down until he did.

Let's not pretend like Djokodal have been flawless with no interruptions.

Look at Nadal's 2018. He has played at an amazing level on all surfaces at age 32. But is this level sustainable for him?

 

[mikeeeee]

For who


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[Artanis]

On topic, I just say **** happens...in normal circumstances Millman never beats Fed at any slam. I mean, 10 DF and a total 76 unforced!?

Carreer-wise, only hope that Fed has a last Wimby in him.

 

[cronus]

 

[Gary Duane]

I’ve run in ridiculously humid 90 degree weather in nyc more times than I care to remember and I do so now too in a different city. I co-sign this post.

It's just different, isn't it? You can do it. But you have to remind yourself not to fight the heat and humidity and respect it. My feeling afterward is different. The moment I come back inside, I get the same results. Running always resets my mood and gives me a second wind so far as getting on with life. If I'm working hard, a run will give me a couple more hours of clear thinking, and I can leave behind everything frustrating. I still get the good feelings AFTERWARDS, but while running it's not the same. I never feel liberated or free as I do running in colder weather. Whereas I've gone running when it is cold here, meaning running in shorts and a tee actually feels unpleasantly cold at first, but as I move it gets more and more pleasant, and after awhile I feel like I could just keep going and going. It's a different feeling.

 

[skyline]

It's just different, isn't it? You can do it. But you have to remind yourself not to fight the heat and humidity and respect it. My feeling afterward is different. The moment I come back inside, I get the same results. Running always resets my mood and gives me a second wind so far as getting on with life. If I'm working hard, a run will give me a couple more hours of clear thinking, and I can leave behind everything frustrating. I still get the good feelings AFTERWARDS, but while running it's not the same. I never feel liberated or free as I do running in colder weather. Whereas I've gone running when it is cold here, meaning running in shorts and a tee actually feels unpleasantly cold at first, but as I move it gets more and more pleasant, and after awhile I feel like I could just keep going and going. It's a different feeling.

It's extremely hard. I stop for water breaks every mile and I'm not ashamed of it (and I'm relatively young). You have to be careful.

And yes I look like I jumped in a pool immediately after. Sweat just pours off me.

Whoever hasn't tried it shouldn't be so hasty to condemn Roger.

 

[stringertom]

Here's a couple of personal takes on trying to slow down the hands on the pocket watch worn by Father Time:

1. The only preparation for conditions like last night is duplicating them repetitively leading up to competition. I think this has been proven quite well by fedr these last two years in Oz. He trains hard in a similar climate in Dubai, makes the Perth pitstop to re-up that training in a simulated competitive environment and seems to get ready for Melbourne very well with that much lead time. That kind of training block just does not exist between grass and the USO, especially with the later Wimby spot on the schedule. Unless he's willing to give up both MS1000's and fly directly to South Florida for an entire month of training, fedr at age 38 next year will be vulnerable to the lottery of NYC weather in late August/early September.

2. Wear white, even at night. Those dyes in the darker poly shirts clog the breathability of the supposedly high-tech shirts. I would wear cotton white T-shirts and change every two games before I would wear a wine-colored poly shirt. I go through this every night in steamy conditions on the pedicab and I'm always cooler in white. fedr made two full kit changes and was drenched in no time after each change. No more darth fedr kits!

3. See the optometrist. He missed bunnies last night that showed he's not seeing the ball as well at night. I believe one of the ESPN crew said at Cincinnati he was having that kind of problem in his night match vs Stanimal. He may be fine but I've used the yellow-tinted non-prescription lenses that boost contrast under the lights and they work!

 

[Zetty]

Nadal and Djokovic are in the middle of their final surge too. So the next 18 months should be very interesting. Both of those guys have a far more physical game than Federer and rely heavily on movement. We'll see what happens.

And Federer doesn't? His entire game is predicated on running around his backhand and attempting to end points as quickly as possible. We saw how that looks in 2013 when things are slightly off physically, he flies off the rails like everyone else. His game is physical too, it's movement and fast footwork. The difference is the free points on the serve he gets.

 

[World Beater]

Federer sounds like he in a bit of denail by chalking this up to "this happens sometimes".

it seems to happen to roger much more frequently than other players.

But i think federer knows this...is he going to do something about it? No. He's only got a few years (max) left.

 

[AndyM]

Djoko gets the night match!!!!!! I can watch! Hope chili and Nish go 5 grueling hot sets!

 

[mightyrick]

Father Time will do its thing eventually, no one is denying that, but the question is when. Let’s be honest, does it look like Djokodal are slowing down?

Actually, yeah, I do. I know people keep saying that Djokovic looks like he's at his best, but I strongly disagree. Djokovic is good enough to beat the field, for sure. But he is still not near his prime level, IMHO. If anyone disagrees, they either have a serious recency bias or they haven't watched a lot of his older matches. To my eyes, Nadal is in the exact same situation.

And Federer doesn't? His entire game is predicated on running around his backhand and attempting to end points as quickly as possible. We saw how that looks in 2013 when things are slightly off physically, he flies off the rails like everyone else. His game is physical too, it's movement and fast footwork. The difference is the free points on the serve he gets.

Um, bolded the important part in your post. EXACTLY.

The difference is that Federer's game is predicated on ending points quickly. Nadal and Djokovic's games are predicated on destroying your opponent physically in long, grinding rallies and then crushing them into dust when they physically collapse. If Federer ran as many meters per match in his career as Djokovic and Nadal, he wouldn't have made it even until age 30.

Also, Federer's entire game isn't predicated on running around his backhand. It never was. He never had to do that. He does it if he wants to depending on his game plan. Federer's only strategy has always been: end the point, win the set, win the match, and get the hell off the court. And do those things as quickly as possible.

 

[Zetty]

Actually, yeah, I do. I know people keep saying that Djokovic looks like he's at his best, but I strongly disagree. Djokovic is good enough to beat the field, for sure. But he is still not near his prime level, IMHO. If anyone disagrees, they either have a serious recency bias or they haven't watched a lot of his older matches. To my eyes, Nadal is in the exact same situation.



Um, bolded the important part in your post. EXACTLY.

The difference is that Federer's game is predicated on ending points quickly. Nadal and Djokovic's games are predicated on destroying your opponent physically in long, grinding rallies and then crushing them into dust when they physically collapse. If Federer ran as many meters per match in his career as Djokovic and Nadal, he wouldn't have made it even until age 30.

Also, Federer's entire game isn't predicated on running around his backhand. It never was. He never had to do that. He does it if he wants to depending on his game plan. Federer's only strategy has always been: end the point, win the set, win the match, and get the hell off the court. And do those things as quickly as possible.

Ending points quickly means exerting more force on your shots, explosive movement to get into position at the net or running around backhands at the baseline, his game is also physical. An example of a non physical game imo would be someone like Berdych. The guy has a wingspan that's so huge he hardly has to move off his position on either wing, swings and creates easy power. Federer's movement is more important than Berdych's because he doesn't have that wingspan and level of power neither does almost anyone else for that matter

 

[RS]

Says the guy who created a thread in which Fed would win the least slams if he were thecsame age as Djokodal.

But that thread backfired because people put some good cases why Federer might have bad more. It ended up each of them got degraded by the opposite fan base.

 

[Tshooter]

Down to $85. How low will it go by the morning.

$38, as of Tuesday afternoon.

Milkman and Layhani are the unsung heroes of the 2018 USO.