Wall practice, please critique

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  1. tennisfan2k

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  2. UCSF2012

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    Every shot would've gone long in a real court. Don't punish the wall. You're learning the wrong thing.
     
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  3. tennisfan2k

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    In fact they wouldn't. They are the exact shot I made on court. Not sure about your "WRONG THING".

     
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    Good shoulder and hip rotation, decent power!

    You look to be swinging across your body quite a bit on your forehand (sub-par footwork?), which results in your body leaning over to your left as you're following through.
    Also, it seems like you're hitting more off the back foot, so I'd suggest keeping your weight more forward.

    Consistent, if slightly stiff, backhand. Can't offer anything on the 2HBH, sorry!
     
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  5. tennisfan2k

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    Good observation. Thanks!

     
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  6. UCSF2012

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    I see, you're fishing for compliments, not critiques.

    Hard, flat shots with 3-5 ft net clearance. Hit so hard you can take them off the first bounce. Of course those are staying in.
     
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  7. vil

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    Lucky, you've got white shirt in that video, otherwise you would be completely invisible against that dark wall.:) I think you should position camera a bit closer, or place it behind you on some pedestal or ( I use rubbish bin) something that will elevate the view and bring it closer in detail. One problem sometimes with wall is, it tends to rush your strokes. It's great for footwork workout but not super ideal for shot making. I sometimes hit the wall as well, when I have no partner,I get new balls that bounce well. That way I can stand a bit further away, taking medium pace balls, still hit them after one bounce but more importantly, it will give me extra time to prepare for the shot and get my feet right.
     
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    Agree. Some sort of tripod about head high and behind is the best, imo. Funny you should mention rubbish bin, as that's what I've been using as my "tripod". Must get a real one. :)

    Yeah, agree. I watched your wall vid. Nice hitting. It's hard for me to tell if OP in this thread is the optimal distance from the wall.
     
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    Enjoyed watching the vid. Thanks for posting. I'm not qualified to critique. Your strokes seem pretty solid to me.
     
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  10. Sky_Boy

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    i would suggest split stepping.. your also using alot of upper body to generate power.. greater knee bend would help...
     
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  11. 5263

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    I think he is right that they will stay in. He has good TS and I think his rt to left
    action is a strength not a weakness as another posted. It might be bad if he
    moved his head too much or was off balance....but he doesn't and isn't!
    His excellent TS will keep those strong shots in nicely in most cases I expect and
    this is much like what I describe when talking of biting topspin shots vs the loopy
    ones most post about.

    Nice vid and looking very good!
     
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    Wall is completely lacking in footwork and will never become a 4.5.

    Seriously, you have the physical and mental energy to do this in an intense way, and that is really fantastic. I would just get bored.

    One thing I would like to know is how much topspin you are putting on the ball. I find that when I put a lot of spin, the ball will not come back the way it is coming back to you. It will "reflect" sideways a lot more and dip down and die earlier after the bounce. Is this a wall with some special anti-spin coating like some table tennis rubbers?
     
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    Looks very good.
    Nice stroke, nice spin control and pace.
    Hard to split step when hitting against a wall.
    So, are you a 4.0? You hit good enough to be better, but match play is always a different animal.
     
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  14. njboy

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    Good

    Good. Keep going.
     
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    My back hurts just watching your vid.
     
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    I think it's great. You make good contact with the ball and seem to have good control. Most of the shots looked like they would have been staying in play to me. It's not easy to keep a consistent rally going on the wall for 4-minutes (although most here will tell you otherwise).
     
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  17. tennisfan2k

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    That's not what I meant. If you say everything is wrong, at least you can point out a few and correct me?

    I don't hit flat, I hit topspin with a semi-western forehand.

     
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  18. tennisfan2k

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    The ball I used today are almost dead. I usually stand at baseline. The camera I put at the stairs, can't move the stair. :)

     
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  19. tennisfan2k

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    Thanks. I happen to be in the south palm beach area. :)

     
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  20. tennisfan2k

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    Thanks. From the video I barely bent my knees...

     
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  21. tennisfan2k

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    Thanks for the compliments.

     
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  22. tennisfan2k

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    The balls are just regular balls, or whatever balls I can find arround the court, LOL

    I really don't know how much topspin I get, but the ball didn't bounce side ways...

     
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  23. tennisfan2k

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    Thanks LeeD. My ground strokes can hang with 4.0 players, but overall game I would say around 3.5? Don't play usta so no official rating. My volley and mental sucks at matches, serve is so so...

     
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  24. tennisfan2k

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    Thanks dehen. How is your ball machine, I am thinking of one...

     
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  25. tennisfan2k

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    sorry about that ...

     
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    Thanks. I play the wall everyday

     
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    You are welcome!
    And I went back and corrected most of my typos there, lol.
     
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    I know that you're in trackpants and don't want to build up a sweat, but your footwork could be improved. You're doing minimal work to get to the ball and taking a swing. This might be something to do with the fact you're playing the wall, though.

    Your groundstrokes themselves are solid.
     
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  29. Sky_Boy

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    Lol... u play the wall everyday??? why?
     
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    Looks pretty good. It'd be nice to see some actual points, it's a lot different when you have to actually move.
     
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  31. 5263

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    and the folks who have a problem with your footwork must have never hit on
    a wall before. It is more work for you feet than playing by far imo. Only running
    for corner balls in a match can compare, but against a wall you can have to run
    for one like that as well. Not as often though usually. Against the wall there is
    way less time to get ready!
     
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  32. tennisfan2k

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    Lunch break, and ends up only wall tennis, no time for lunch, LOL

     
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    Some people like to hit and don't have access to a court and/or practice partners. It also is an excellent form of practice. No, you don't know exactly where your shots are landing and they don't come back to you just like an opponent hits.

    If you are not a super high-level player and use the wall enough to consistently hit 100 hard forehands and backhands in a row, your consistency on the court will be hugely improved. How about 100 BH slices in a row within a 2-3 foot height over the net line?
     
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  34. Mick3391

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    I'm so good I can defeat a wall in match play:)

    Funny thing about the wall, the top Varsity guys on my sons team were kind of, well, average, but then they play against the wall and look incredible. Playing against a wall is playing against yourself in a way, that is you can dictate where your returns will come, kind of like hitting a punching bag and thinking "I am the greatest", then boxing someone for real, big difference!

    I am a big wall fan though:)
     
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  35. enishi1357

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    is it just me or is your backhand is late most of the time
     
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  36. TennisCJC

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    Overall, good technique. I have 2 suggestions.

    1. On both your FH and BH, you have a pause in your loop. You pivot to the side with shoulders/hands, then you start your loop to contact. But, you pause at the back of the loop. It is more prevalent on the BH. It looked like you almost stop on your BH loop. Try making the pivot/prep to side with your shoulders. Then when you start the swing make it continuous to contact. Backswing can be very small, actual loop with hands can be very small; but you can still hit it hard if your hands are relaxed and you let it flow from legs and shoulders.

    2. Try lifting more with legs. You are rotating forward but if you get more lift into the rotation, you'll get more topspin and can hit aggressively with margin.
     
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  37. njboy

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    Then buy one

    700 for machine and also bought 100$ balls.
     
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    Cool. Send me an email if you want to come to Fort Lauderdale and hit sometime. I'm sure you'd beat me easily in a competitive match, but just hitting, doing drills, whatever, would be fun.
     
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  39. tennisfan2k

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    Agree. Wall is my most reliable partner :)

     
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  40. tennisfan2k

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    You are right, it tends to give me that fantansy. When hitting with people, I am back to reality :(

     
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  41. tennisfan2k

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    Good advice, thanks.

     
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  42. tennisfan2k

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    Definitely.

     
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    a couple of pointers:

    I know it's fun and exhilarating crushing the ball - and there's a time and place for that, but if the purpose is to groove your technique, I suggest you slow down and focus on the whole kinetic chain. Start slow and focus on a smooth movement, involving your whole body.

    One thing you don't do consistently is loading up properly on a low foundation and engage your non-hitting arm properly.

    I would start with that, focus on getting low and practice a smooth, balanced movement. Don't worry about power, or if the ball supposedly goes long or short at that point. It's all about finding a smooth, balanced and relaxed movement and get that into muscle memory.

    This video is a good example on a proper load up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiyoprgixTs

    look at 1:57 - and don't worry about getting air, but rather focus on the low load up he's demonstrating there.

    That's all I would start with - good luck and post some progress!
     
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