What is it about KPS 88 and Tour 90?

seacard

Rookie
I've been demoing the KPS 88, and just really enjoying tennis more than usual. Sure, I shank a lot of shots. Of course, I'm late quite a bit, especially on the run. But it just feels amazing, you never get pushed around, and there is this great sensation when you hit the ball well. The n90, k90, and BLX90 provide a similar feel.

But what is it about those racquets and why can't others match them? I just checked out the Pro Kennex Ki5 PSE -- very similar weight and swingweight to the KPS, but a much more forgiving 100 square inch head size. TW University numbers were also very promising: high twistweight, even more power, great plowthrough. But on the court, it feels NOTHING like the KPS. The PK is very solid, I could hit more topspin with my Western grip, but it just felt like a "regular" racquet but heavier. I wouldn't say it feels "hollow", but it certainly doesn't feel like you are crushing the ball the way you do with the KPS.

I also checked out the Youtek Speed Pro, figuring with that swingweight, it might feel pretty nice. Well, again, I could hit more spinny shots than with the KPS, but it just didn't feel good. And this time, it felt somewhat pingy and hollow.

There are other racquets that I really enjoyed hitting with: BLX95, RDiS100, RDS001, and even a PDR and PDR+ (which are pretty much the opposite of the KPS88.). But at the end of the day, nothing feels as nice as the box-beam Wilsons.

The only current racquet that comes close to the KPS/BLX feel is the Dunlop 200 Tour. But I was hoping to have some more options. So, why can't others match these racquets?
 

seacard

Rookie
There is no alternative to the sledgehammer 88. The weight and 6 point balance has no equal period.

Question is can you hang with it?

Not sure if I'm man enough to "hang with it," but take a look at the Ki5 PSE numbers. My demo weighs in at 13 ounces, with essentially identical swingweight. Sure, the balance is a bit different, but I would have thought that it would give me a similar feel, but it is not even close.
 
I get the same feeling with my K90. I've tried so many racquets but I keep coming back to my K90. To me, it just feels that every shot I hit is in the sweet spot with the K90 whereas with other racquets I have to time it better.
 

JoelDali

Talk Tennis Guru
I will never understand those that use Babolats and Heads and Princes.

There is no feedback with these sticks. In James Blakes words, "hollow and tinny"... and that pleasurable feeling you describe with the 88 is really only felt with the 88. That immense plowthrough, like you just crushed a TT Trolls head into the ground and watched his brains ooze out. You can only get that with the 88. I'm missing mine just thinking about it, but I'm gonna give the Bullux a month to make my final decision for league and tourneys. I just bought a BLX90 and while it doesn't have that orgasmitronical feeling of the 88 its still that box beam happy swing ending feeling.

Box Beams for Life yo.

Can't use anything else.

Nothing really compares.
 

seacard

Rookie
I will never understand those that use Babolats and Heads and Princes.

There is no feedback with these sticks. In James Blakes words, "hollow and tinny"...

Well, I think old Heads were quite good. I played with the iPrestige for a long time, and still regret selling that stick. Should have just stocked up on them when I had a chance.

Babolats are a different story. I wouldn't necessarily call the PDR or the PST or the PSTLtd tinny. And while hollow, there is something fun about those racquets -- I think the Woofer system actually works well on a racquet like that, and you can generate great spin. If you take some time off from tennis, I think it's easier to step into a Pure Drive than into BLX90.

But if it really is just the box beam that give the 88 and the 90s their feel, I don't see why somebody can't just replicate it in a 93 or a 95.
 
I will never understand those that use Babolats and Heads and Princes.

There is no feedback with these sticks. In James Blakes words, "hollow and tinny"... and that pleasurable feeling you describe with the 88 is really only felt with the 88. That immense plowthrough, like you just crushed a TT Trolls head into the ground and watched his brains ooze out. You can only get that with the 88. I'm missing mine just thinking about it, but I'm gonna give the Bullux a month to make my final decision for league and tourneys. I just bought a BLX90 and while it doesn't have that orgasmitronical feeling of the 88 its still that box beam happy swing ending feeling.

Box Beams for Life yo.

Can't use anything else.

Nothing really compares.

Funniest comment yet in 2010.

Quit fooling around with that Bollocks and get another 88 skeezics.

Its calling, youll be baaacccckk.
 

Pioneer

Professional
Maybe it's no wonder that the two pros using the KPS88 and BLX90 at the moment have a combined 30 grand slam titles and more still to come?
 

seacard

Rookie
Maybe it's no wonder that the two pros using the KPS88 and BLX90 at the moment have a combined 30 grand slam titles and more still to come?

Boy, I don't know if Sampras is going to get any more but I guess anyth. . . oh, I see.

I think it's more of a coincidence. If these two were objectively the greatest racquets ever made, all the pros would be using them. I think it's more of a subjective thing -- old-timers who grew up with a classic feel like these better. Newbies who grew up in the Babolat era don't care. Wilson got lucky with Federer, but I think very few pros will be using the 90s in the next generation.
 

JoelDali

Talk Tennis Guru
Funniest comment yet in 2010.

Quit fooling around with that Bollocks and get another 88 skeezics.

Its calling, youll be baaacccckk.

Its freaking me out seeing all the used ones up in the calssifieds.

Whats sad is I spent over $300 on that damn STV thats now sitting in the closet.

Ugh. I'm sort of moronic. Impulse Tennisaholic buyer. Bleh. Meshoogahana.

I dig the bullux though man, I'm really serving quite swell with it. And since I'm playing a ton of doubles lately my touch is much better and volleying is better, easier to manuver than the 88. I do miss having a K90 around but only for sentimental sexually perverse reasons.

I will buy another few 88s before Wilson cuts them off.

That will be a sad day.
 

JoelDali

Talk Tennis Guru
Boy, I don't know if Sampras is going to get any more but I guess anyth. . . oh, I see.

I think it's more of a coincidence. If these two were objectively the greatest racquets ever made, all the pros would be using them. I think it's more of a subjective thing -- old-timers who grew up with a classic feel like these better. Newbies who grew up in the Babolat era don't care. Wilson got lucky with Federer, but I think very few pros will be using the 90s in the next generation.

Its sad that newbies are brainwashed by Bab. ugh.
 

Pioneer

Professional
Boy, I don't know if Sampras is going to get any more but I guess anyth. . . oh, I see.

I think it's more of a coincidence. If these two were objectively the greatest racquets ever made, all the pros would be using them. I think it's more of a subjective thing -- old-timers who grew up with a classic feel like these better. Newbies who grew up in the Babolat era don't care. Wilson got lucky with Federer, but I think very few pros will be using the 90s in the next generation.

I was just kidding man. But I Wilson didn't get lucky with Fed. Roger grew up emulating Sampras so it was natural that he would end up with a Wilson. Don't forget Grigor Dimitrov is using a BLX90 now so there you've got a potential #1 with a Wilson.

As far as "Wilson vs The Rest" is concerned I have hit with a number of Head racquets, some Dunlops and Princes and a few Wilsons and all the non-Wilsons feel hollow, with this metal-ish feel. The Wilsons just feel solid, like I'm hitting with a club that crushes the ball, and the sound from a forehand, when strung tight with Lux, is like a Colt 1911
 

Keifers

Legend
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I think it's more of a coincidence. If these two were objectively the greatest racquets ever made, all the pros would be using them. I think it's more of a subjective thing -- old-timers who grew up with a classic feel like these better. Newbies who grew up in the Babolat era don't care. Wilson got lucky with Federer, but I think very few pros will be using the 90s in the next generation.
Seems to me today's game, with the emphasis on heavy topspin and staying at the baseline, means that the feel and plow provided by the box beam frames are less valued. So lighter, stiffer sticks that you can whip through the contact point (brushing the ball, as opposed to thumping it) are the order of the day.

Me? Give me a heavy, box-beam, head-light, thin-beamed racquet any day of the week.
 

JGads

G.O.A.T.
Very much in agreement with this thread -- been demoing so many sticks of late and the 88 was just magical compared to all the rest -- even compared to the BLX 90. Just wish the thing was slightly lighter and slightly bigger so I'd have enough confidence wielding it in a match, but as I said in another thread that I began recently simply because I so fell in love with the 88, I may end up getting one just for fun because it is that, probably the most fun stick to hit with. It's an axe. Found a pro shop that's selling them new for 140 (with tax), so at some point I may end up treating myself to one.
 

Kemitak

Professional
The only racquet I've found that comes close in feeling to the Pro Staff 85's and 88's, and the K- and BLX-90's is the PK Redondo. It too can really crush the ball, and feels solid and very well made; but It's still not the same because it's just a little too light, and the closed string pattern means the balls flies a little differently.

I'm with you guys. I don't understand why the other companies don't make a 12.5 oz., head-light, box-beam, mid-size racquet. I can't see them losing any money doing it, and they could sell it for years and years, and not waste any money remarketing it.

[Right now I'm playing with either the 88 with 18 grams of lead tape on the handle and strung with Gamma Pro at 68 lbs, or the K90 strung with Kgut at 65 lbs, or the Redondo strung with Sensation at 68 lbs. And lately I'm preferring the 88, because of all three I can most easily hit people off the court.]
 

pyrokid

Hall of Fame
I loved these two rackets. The KPS was number three on my list, and the K90 was number two. They have great control, and feel, but then I tried the PSL, and it just had so much more control and feel, at the cost of less power. Leaded up, they play very similarly.
Even though it is a Babolat.
But you can get more spin with the K90, and it is really a great racket. You can really feel the ball being pounded when you hit it, and it serves bombs. The slice is godly, too. But with my 2HBH, it doesn't feel right. I have to hit a one hander to get the full experience. And my one hander's only about 70% of my 2HBH.
If I had a one handed backhand, it would have been an incredibly tough choice.
 
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Keifers

Legend
The only racquet I've found that comes close in feeling to the Pro Staff 85's and 88's, and the K- and BLX-90's is the PK Redondo. It too can really crush the ball, and feels solid and very well made; but It's still not the same because it's just a little too light, and the closed string pattern means the balls flies a little differently.

I'm with you guys. I don't understand why the other companies don't make a 12.5 oz., head-light, box-beam, mid-size racquet. I can't see them losing any money doing it, and they could sell it for years and years, and not waste any money remarketing it.

[Right now I'm playing with either the 88 with 18 grams of lead tape on the handle and strung with Gamma Pro at 68 lbs, or the K90 strung with Kgut at 65 lbs, or the Redondo strung with Sensation at 68 lbs. And lately I'm preferring the 88, because of all three I can most easily hit people off the court.]
Very well said. Couldn't agree more.

A friend of mine has a Redondo 93 strung with Gosen 17 that plays just beautifully. It's too light for me, though. (I like to use a more relaxed grip and let the weight of the frame do the work.) And I much prefer a 16X19 string pattern.
 

Pioneer

Professional
Wow a few days ago I played with a friend's Head Microgel Radical. How could people use that?!?! it's like 300 grams and you don't feel like you play the ball, even worse - you feel like the ball plays you. And the worst part is - when you hit your hardest groundstrokes it goes "pooooooiiinnnngg" after contact. It's like, I hit, I get back to the center of the court and it's still vibrating. It's easy on the arm though
 

JoelDali

Talk Tennis Guru
Wow a few days ago I played with a friend's Head Microgel Radical. How could people use that?!?! it's like 300 grams and you don't feel like you play the ball, even worse - you feel like the ball plays you. And the worst part is - when you hit your hardest groundstrokes it goes "pooooooiiinnnngg" after contact. It's like, I hit, I get back to the center of the court and it's still vibrating. It's easy on the arm though

To each his own, and to me, Head/Bab/Yonex/Prince raquets suck big fat stanky dragon arse for the very reason you just mention. But I suck at tennis so what do I really know.
 

BoneyFish

New User
Does anyone else find that these two racquets, the KPS88 and KTour90, to be exactly the same, apart from the obvious beam thickness and weight? Even the grommet layout is identical. I've attached some photos, though I don't know how much you can tell from them.

http://picasaweb.google.com/boneyfish/KPS88AndKTour90#

Also, the handles are exactly the same... it's just that I wrap the overgrip above the leather grip tape, so it looks a bit longer. I don't play with a 2HBH, it just makes it easier to apply the tape at the top.
 

corners

Legend
Does anyone else find that these two racquets, the KPS88 and KTour90, to be exactly the same, apart from the obvious beam thickness and weight? Even the grommet layout is identical. I've attached some photos, though I don't know how much you can tell from them.

http://picasaweb.google.com/boneyfish/KPS88AndKTour90#

Also, the handles are exactly the same... it's just that I wrap the overgrip above the leather grip tape, so it looks a bit longer. I don't play with a 2HBH, it just makes it easier to apply the tape at the top.

There was a thread a while back where a poster used computer program to measure headsize. K90 and KPS88 are indeed the same, if I recall. "88" appears to have been used for marketing purposes in Asia, where the number eight has positive significance.
 

Kemitak

Professional
There was a thread a while back where a poster used computer program to measure headsize. K90 and KPS88 are indeed the same, if I recall. "88" appears to have been used for marketing purposes in Asia, where the number eight has positive significance.

I always thought it was called 88 because that's the year Sampras turned pro. I doubt Wilson would name a racquet sold all over the world based on what a few chinese tennis players think. :confused:
 

corners

Legend
I always thought it was called 88 because that's the year Sampras turned pro. I doubt Wilson would name a racquet sold all over the world based on what a few chinese tennis players think. :confused:

Oh, you'd be surprised then at what international corporations are doing to get a piece of 1.3 billion customers. Pretty much anything and everything: Morals and ethics cast aside, principles abandoned, ideals sacrificed... numbers chosen
 
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Rob2D

Rookie
I agree with you all, Im really loving my KPS88. The damn thing should be registered as a weapon!:) I have it strung at 55lbs at the moment but I think something like 58 or 60 would suit me better. Man I can't wait to get back out the and hit some more volleys!

It saddens me to see all of the juniors at my club using big ass Babolats. The art of the game seems to be disappearing.:cry:
 

TennisKid1

Semi-Pro
does the 6.1 95 even compare to the 2 in terms of feel because I like the pancake factor the rackets bring me but i dont think I can hang with the big boys just yet
 
The only racquet I've found that comes close in feeling to the Pro Staff 85's and 88's, and the K- and BLX-90's is the PK Redondo. It too can really crush the ball, and feels solid and very well made; but It's still not the same because it's just a little too light, and the closed string pattern means the balls flies a little differently.

I'm with you guys. I don't understand why the other companies don't make a 12.5 oz., head-light, box-beam, mid-size racquet. I can't see them losing any money doing it, and they could sell it for years and years, and not waste any money remarketing it.

[Right now I'm playing with either the 88 with 18 grams of lead tape on the handle and strung with Gamma Pro at 68 lbs, or the K90 strung with Kgut at 65 lbs, or the Redondo strung with Sensation at 68 lbs. And lately I'm preferring the 88, because of all three I can most easily hit people off the court.]

Funny that you mention K88 and Redondo in the same sentence because they seem so different but both have that old school feel that I love. I do agree and I do use both K88 and Redondo mid. PK Redondo is my main stick(Leaded to 360 grams with 8pt headlight strung at 60 lbs with full natural gut) and even though it does not have the same crushing power as K88 but my Redondo have better control (for me) so I can move my opponents around which create more opportunities for me to hit winners. I am a grinder and love long physical points so Redondo fit my style better. I also agree there is no better feeling when you crack a winner with KPS 88...
 

Azzurri

Legend
I always thought it was called 88 because that's the year Sampras turned pro. I doubt Wilson would name a racquet sold all over the world based on what a few chinese tennis players think. :confused:

nope, wilson advertised it as an 88 si racquet. your 2nd sentence is even more ignorant than the 1st.:shock:
 

Azzurri

Legend
Right, because one billion chinese peasants play tennis.

wow, keep yapping. you are so clueless you don't even realize how ignorant you truly are. if you are 12-13 years old then OK, its just your age, but if you are an adult...god help you.
 

Kemitak

Professional
Funny that you mention K88 and Redondo in the same sentence because they seem so different but both have that old school feel that I love. I do agree and I do use both K88 and Redondo mid. PK Redondo is my main stick(Leaded to 360 grams with 8pt headlight strung at 60 lbs with full natural gut) and even though it does not have the same crushing power as K88 but my Redondo have better control (for me) so I can move my opponents around which create more opportunities for me to hit winners. I am a grinder and love long physical points so Redondo fit my style better. I also agree there is no better feeling when you crack a winner with KPS 88...

With me it's the other way around. The Pro Staff is my main racquet, because I can put the ball away earlier with it than with the Redondo. I like to play quick points and on my terms. But I agree that the Redondo is great for opening up the court. I've wanted to string it with gut, but I've been too cheap. How long does a string job last you?
 

KaZe

Rookie
All those Wilson racquets you just listed are amazing...once I'm done with my K90 i plan on moving up to a KPS88 as well!
 
With me it's the other way around. The Pro Staff is my main racquet, because I can put the ball away earlier with it than with the Redondo. I like to play quick points and on my terms. But I agree that the Redondo is great for opening up the court. I've wanted to string it with gut, but I've been too cheap. How long does a string job last you?

This is impressive that there is a general consensus on the application of the KPS88. I use my leaded K90 the same way you use the Redondo. The KPS88 has a mighty sweet feel. It doesn't feel as accurate for pinpoint ball placement. But for keeping the ball deep and penetrating, it is the go to.

My K90 feels like I can rely on it slighty more for corner placement but the feel is not as affluent.

I am having a love affair with both.
 

JoelDali

Talk Tennis Guru
This is impressive that there is a general consensus on the application of the KPS88. I use my leaded K90 the same way you use the Redondo. The KPS88 has a mighty sweet feel. It doesn't feel as accurate for pinpoint ball placement. But for keeping the ball deep and penetrating, it is the go to.

My K90 feels like I can rely on it slighty more for corner placement but the feel is not as affluent.

I am having a love affair with both.

Saturday night I was playing an athletic lefty dude with the BLX90. Lost the 1st set due to depth issues. Grabbed the 88 with the JazzySetup(tm) and won the next 3 sets. Was up 5-0 in the second, lol, I was pissed.

Broke the JazzySetup(tm) on the last point, pretty damn funny.

Played former Big 10 college 5.5 girl last night with the BLX and got plummeled the first set, won the second, was ahead 4-3 in the 3rd when the bell rang. If I had an 88 with me it would have been a different outcome.

I need to buy more 88s.

The BLX is a fine stick but Jesus God Almighty, the 88 remains the Immortal Weapon of Choice.

Why the F did I buy a BLX. Oh, yeah, for doubles and easy manueverability.

You were right JazzyOne.

Back to the 88.

:(
 
I originally played with the original Pro Staff 85 and that was such an amazing racquet back then. Fast forward to today and the KPS 88 is just sheer joy to hit with.

I have tested many racquets but nothing comes close to the power, control, and plow through of the KPS 88. The mishits which happen on several occasions reminds you to get your lazy ass into the right hitting position.

The racquet is so solid especially when returning top spin heavy balls usually hit by Babolat wielding players.
 

Chezbeeno

Professional
I've been demoing the KPS 88, and just really enjoying tennis more than usual. Sure, I shank a lot of shots. Of course, I'm late quite a bit, especially on the run. But it just feels amazing, you never get pushed around, and there is this great sensation when you hit the ball well. The n90, k90, and BLX90 provide a similar feel.

But what is it about those racquets and why can't others match them? I just checked out the Pro Kennex Ki5 PSE -- very similar weight and swingweight to the KPS, but a much more forgiving 100 square inch head size. TW University numbers were also very promising: high twistweight, even more power, great plowthrough. But on the court, it feels NOTHING like the KPS. The PK is very solid, I could hit more topspin with my Western grip, but it just felt like a "regular" racquet but heavier. I wouldn't say it feels "hollow", but it certainly doesn't feel like you are crushing the ball the way you do with the KPS.

I also checked out the Youtek Speed Pro, figuring with that swingweight, it might feel pretty nice. Well, again, I could hit more spinny shots than with the KPS, but it just didn't feel good. And this time, it felt somewhat pingy and hollow.

There are other racquets that I really enjoyed hitting with: BLX95, RDiS100, RDS001, and even a PDR and PDR+ (which are pretty much the opposite of the KPS88.). But at the end of the day, nothing feels as nice as the box-beam Wilsons.

The only current racquet that comes close to the KPS/BLX feel is the Dunlop 200 Tour. But I was hoping to have some more options. So, why can't others match these racquets?

it's the combination of the weight, material, shape, and box beam, the only racquet I've found that is comparable is 6.1 95 BLX 18x20, you said that it didn't really compare though, may I ask which string pattern it was that you used and what the string setup was?
 
The weird thing is, I went to a big tennis shop out in the CA desert after my day at the BNP Paribas tournament, and I saw a ton of KPS88 that weren't moving. Hardly purchased. I was shocked.

Keep drinking your sugar infested, Nadal digested, diet Coke rackets. You'll never taste the sweet nectar of the KPS88.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
> The weird thing is, I went to a big tennis shop out in the CA
> desert after my day at the BNP Paribas tournament, and I saw a
> ton of KPS88 that weren't moving. Hardly purchased. I was
> shocked.

It is definitely a niche racquet and I think that Wilson spends little, if anything, marketing it. I'm actually quite happy that Wilson would make such a racquet instead of just the lighter stuff with the suggestion to add lead.
 

quest01

Hall of Fame
My forehand is the hallmark of my game

The KPS 88 was a great racquet, its one of only a few racquets where I can hit 100 mph bone crushers. Unfortunately I had to sell the KPS88 on these boards due to elbow problems, now I use the blx90 which doesnt give me elbow problems due to the ligher weight and flexier feel. My forehand is the hallmark of my game and I can still hit 100 bonecrushing forehands and serves with the blx90. The kps88 had a little more power while the blx90 had a tad more control.
 

mawashi

Hall of Fame
The KPS 88 was a great racquet, its one of only a few racquets where I can hit 100 mph bone crushers. Unfortunately I had to sell the KPS88 on these boards due to elbow problems, now I use the blx90 which doesnt give me elbow problems due to the ligher weight and flexier feel. My forehand is the hallmark of my game and I can still hit 100 bonecrushing forehands and serves with the blx90. The kps88 had a little more power while the blx90 had a tad more control.

I hit some of my biggest forehands and serves ever with the PDGT.

The PDGT is a great racquet and its the only racquet where I can serve over 100 miles per hour with. I can't serve over 100 mph with any other racquet besides the PDGT or the Roddick version. If you like hitting booming serves then the PDGT is suited towards rocket servers. I also never had any problems controlling my shots from the baseline as some people in here have mentioned. If you use poly in the mains and have in strung at around 60 lbs or higher you won't have any issues controlling your groundstrokes.

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Sure, sure. One moment it's the K90, next the PD now the KPS88... maybe in 2 weeks time it'll be a big bubba.

mawashi
 
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quest01

Hall of Fame
Sure, sure. One moment it's the K90, next the PD now the KPS88... what's next big bubba?

mawashi

I should have differentiated what I said, I hit my hardest serves with the pdgt but my biggest forehands with the kps88 and blx90. My forehand is the hallmark of my game.

I like your research.
 

mawashi

Hall of Fame
I should have differentiated what I said, I hit my hardest serves with the pdgt but my biggest forehands with the kps88 and blx90. My forehand is the hallmark of my game.

I like your research.

Say how in the world would the kps88 hurt your elbow but the pdgt at ra72 not hurt your arm ???

mawashi
 

coloskier

Legend
Its because of the weight, the blx90 doesnt give me elbow problems though.

I had the same issue with the 88, went to the BLX90 and it disappeared, too. Same string type and tension. Although you do lose about 20% of your power, which was fine with me anyway.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
Vibration levels are higher with the KPS than the K90 except on really off-center hits, perhaps due to the higher stiffness levels. Three inches of lead tape took care of that for me.
 

Azzurri

Legend
The KPS 88 was a great racquet, its one of only a few racquets where I can hit 100 mph bone crushers. Unfortunately I had to sell the KPS88 on these boards due to elbow problems, now I use the blx90 which doesnt give me elbow problems due to the ligher weight and flexier feel. My forehand is the hallmark of my game and I can still hit 100 bonecrushing forehands and serves with the blx90. The kps88 had a little more power while the blx90 had a tad more control.

admit it, you see a therapist 2-3 times a week. if you admit it, I will leave you alone. If not, then you desrve all the crap you get on this forum. Again, play me. I will even drive to you. I want to video the match and post it for all to see. I know for a fact you can barely hit the ball over the net.
 
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