Who is more likely to return to form in 2018: Djokovic or Murray

Who is more likely to return to form in 2018

  • Novak Djokovic

    Votes: 49 80.3%

  • Andy Murray

    Votes: 12 19.7%
  • Total voters
    61
  • Poll closed .
Gary Duane

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Mainad said:
Well, I guess whoever's more likely to recover from injuries first is the one more likely to return to form in 2018. :cool:
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Do you have any Murray news? My understanding was that the whole "hip thing" was pretty serious, but it appears the Novak is not exactly having a walk in the park.
 
Steve0904

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Mainad said:
So, in your view, it's not as far for Murray as it would be for Djokovic to get back to where they were at the end of 2016? :cool:
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Well, Murray has the more serious injury by most accounts, but Djokovic has the higher peak obviously. Then again, Murray was #1 at the end of 2016. :)
 
Mainad

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Gary Duane said:
Do you have any Murray news? My understanding was that the whole "hip thing" was pretty serious, but it appears the Novak is not exactly having a walk in the park.
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There seems to have been a dearth of Murray news recently which I don't know whether to regard as ominous or not. Djokovic seems to have been the more active one on the social media front lately. Apparently, Murray is still scheduled to meet Federer for a charity exho in Glasgow on 7 November. If it materialises it will be his first appearance on court since Wimbledon last July.
 
Gary Duane

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Mainad said:
There seems to have been a dearth of Murray news recently which I don't know whether to regard as ominous or not. Djokovic seems to have been the more active one on the social media front lately. Apparently, Murray is still scheduled to meet Federer for a charity exho in Glasgow on 7 November. If it materialises it will be his first appearance on court since Wimbledon last July.
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I think that's stupid. If Murray is injured, STAY AWAY UNTIL YOU ARE HEALED.

if a guy says he's not 100% plays an exho, then the conclusion has to be that it really is a joke, and that they don't really have to try to play well.

I wish he's train, recover, then return in Jan.
 
Mainad

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Gary Duane said:
I think that's stupid. If Murray is injured, STAY AWAY UNTIL YOU ARE HEALED.

if a guy says he's not 100% plays an exho, then the conclusion has to be that it really is a joke, and that they don't really have to try to play well.

I wish he's train, recover, then return in Jan.
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Well, I trust he will take the sensible option and not play if he doesn't feel ready yet. I guess we'll see.
 
Noelan

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Good to see that posters here believe Djokovic is not injured /or his injury is minor,but Murray is .They know everything. Show how media spin works on people.

Hard to say really, as none of us know how serious their injures are.
If injuries turn to be similar by severity, logically should be Djokovic as he is the better player of the two, and generally is better athlete of the two (imo).
 
Gary Duane

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Mainad said:
Well, I trust he will take the sensible option and not play if he doesn't feel ready yet. I guess we'll see.
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I don't know how sensible any of these guys are.

I'm thinking of Nadal playing Olympics last year, and he's not the only one. It's awfully hard NOT doing the thing that you are famous for and that has been a huge part of your life.
 
Mainad

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Gary Duane said:
I don't know how sensible any of these guys are.

I'm thinking of Nadal playing Olympics last year, and he's not the only one. It's awfully hard NOT doing the thing that you are famous for and that has been a huge part of your life.
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The frustration of not being able to play must be overwhelming at times so it's understandable when players sidelined with injuries start to chafe at the bit. Hopefully they will listen to their doctors' advice, think long term and act sensibly.
 
r2473

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Hitman said:
I think it will be this man, winning it again. :)

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Berdych
 
vex

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Djoker can't possibly be feeling good having watched this Fedal season, particularly the stinkbombs laid by Fedal's final opponents at W and USO.
 
Gary Duane

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Mainad said:
The frustration of not being able to play must be overwhelming at times so it's understandable when players sidelined with injuries start to chafe at the bit. Hopefully they will listen to their doctors' advice, think long term and act sensibly.
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I've hurried back too soon after injuries, and no one is paying to watch my play anything. ;)
 
Antonio Puente

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vex said:
Djoker can't possibly be feeling good having watched this Fedal season, particularly the stinkbombs laid by Fedal's final opponents at W and USO.
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He didn't watch. He was still on the court for most of it. In fact, he played Wimbledon. Had Djoker wanted to do something about it, he had three slam opportunities to do so.
 
Charlemagne

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BeatlesFan said:
Honestly, I would vote for "neither" if that was an option. Forget about Murray, the way Lendl and Judy Murray have been talking, his injury might literally be career ending. Djokovic is the far greater player but has had motivational issues for a year and a half now. No top tennis player has ever come back to slam winning ways once they've had burn out. None. His elbow can and will heal, but will his desire? We'll see.
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Agassi came back from burnout I believe
 
Djokovic2011

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True Fanerer said:
Djokovic with a vengeance in 2018 are amongst my fears
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Thing I don't understand is what is there to actually be afraid of? I'm guessing Federer's 2017 was 10x better than even his most faithful of fans could've ever dreamed of so does it really matter if he never even wins another match again, let alone one against Djokovic? I mean the guy's achieved practically everything there is to achieve in the sport - what more do you want from him?!
 
Mainad

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Djokovic2011 said:
Thing I don't understand is what is there to actually be afraid of? I'm guessing Federer's 2017 was 10x better than even his most faithful of fans could've ever dreamed of so does it really matter if he never even wins another match again, let alone one against Djokovic? I mean the guy's achieved practically everything there is to achieve in the sport - what more do you want from him?!
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I guess once you've reached 19 Slams you feel he might as well aim for a nice round score! ;)
 
Gary Duane

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Djokovic2011 said:
Thing I don't understand is what is there to actually be afraid of? I'm guessing Federer's 2017 was 10x better than even his most faithful of fans could've ever dreamed of so does it really matter if he never even wins another match again, let alone one against Djokovic? I mean the guy's achieved practically everything there is to achieve in the sport - what more do you want from him?!
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Don't know how anyone fears success for an athlete. Just does not make sense to me.
 
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vex said:
Djoker can't possibly be feeling good having watched this Fedal season, particularly the stinkbombs laid by Fedal's final opponents at W and USO.
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No worse than his own stinkbomb opponents.
 
mike danny

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Djokovic2011 said:
Thing I don't understand is what is there to actually be afraid of? I'm guessing Federer's 2017 was 10x better than even his most faithful of fans could've ever dreamed of so does it really matter if he never even wins another match again, let alone one against Djokovic? I mean the guy's achieved practically everything there is to achieve in the sport - what more do you want from him?!
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The problem will be the Ultronians who will come back with the same gibberish about Djokovic being a better player than Federer.
 
mike danny

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vex said:
Yah I remember when he was playing Federer and Murray in his 2014-16 finals and thinking, man if only he had a real opponent

Fed earned that AO final but that Wimby final was a joke. Nadal v Anderson? Lol
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The thing is, everyone knew that once you take out Djokovic, such scenarios were going to occur. And that's the result of no young generation ready to step up.
 
vex

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mike danny said:
The thing is, everyone knew that once you take out Djokovic, such scenarios were going to occur. And that's the result of no young generation ready to step up.
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Without a doubt. Super hopeful for talents like Shap and Z tho. Maybe a new era beginning

Really enjoy watching Shap, maybe that's common ground for you and I?
 
abmk

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Towser83

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Murray's general level is winning a couple of masters and making a slam final or 2, generally making the quarters or semi's of the slams. So in a way he should be able to return to that level if his body is ok. It's going to take a lot of motivation for Djokovic to return to the level of multiple slams and masters and world number one. He can do it but it's a question of how much he wants it.
 
swordtennis

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Why in the Queens name is Andy coming back at Paris? What the hell is going on here?
He needs to take the year off and come back next year. That hip is never going to fully heal up. Losing that #1 was traumatic I think.
Finally reached #1 and won the WTF and his body gave out.
 
SpecialGunpowder

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Flint said:
Well apparently Murray is coming back in Paris

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/tennis/869271/Andy-Murray-Roger-Federer-Rafael-Nadal

(I hope not, don't return before you are ready. If you are returning then I hope you are ready)
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Since when has the Express been a reliable source of information?

Andy officially withdrew from Paris on the 13th October. Only thing he's supposed to play in what is left of 2017 is the exo in Glasgow in three weeks time.

Andy's been seen hitting at the AELTC and the NTC over the last ten days or so.
 
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vex

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mike danny said:
The problem will be the Ultronians who will come back with the same gibberish about Djokovic being a better player than Federer.
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Who cares? They're both phenomenal players. Fed's done a slightly better job winning every match he should win, compared to Djoker who let too many slip away. Thats basically what separates them. Fed almost never lost an imporant match that he should have won, compared to Djoker's letdowns: RG,'11, W'12, USO'13, USO'14, RG'15, USO'16. Hence the slam gap. Seriously those matches right there separated Djoker's career from Fed's. Throw out all the Djoker v. Fed matches - time has shown that either guy could randomly win. Its the non direct rivalry matches that have separated them.

Results will always be what they'll be judged on. And thats pretty much out of hand for Djoker short of a miracle at this point.

TLDR: Fans will always say crazy ****, but results don't lie.
 
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Mainad

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swordtennis said:
Why in the Queens name is Andy coming back at Paris? What the hell is going on here?
He needs to take the year off and come back next year. That hip is never going to fully heal up. Losing that #1 was traumatic I think.
Finally reached #1 and won the WTF and his body gave out.
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I highly doubt we will see him in Paris. I've seen nothing anywhere to corroborate this. I suspect the Paris website just hasn't been updated properly yet.

The only court appearance he has been planning for between now and season end is the charity exho in Glasgow he agreed earlier in the year to play with Federer on 7 November and I'm not yet 100% sure he will be able to play that either!
 
swordtennis

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Mainad said:
I highly doubt we will see him in Paris. I've seen nothing anywhere to corroborate this. I suspect the Paris website just hasn't been updated properly yet.

The only court appearance he has been planning for between now and season end is the charity exho in Glasgow he agreed earlier in the year to play with Federer on 7 November and I'm not yet 100% sure he will be able to play that either!
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Ok When I observed he was still on the Paris draw I was like shocked. I thought Andrew said he was done for the year!
He needs to be done for the year. There is nothing positive long term for him. The money sponsors etc.. can just deal with it.
 
Mainad

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swordtennis said:
Ok When I observed he was still on the Paris draw I was like shocked. I thought Andrew said he was done for the year!
He needs to be done for the year. There is nothing positive long term for him. The money sponsors etc.. can just deal with it.
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Well, I for one am still hoping that won't be true! :eek:
 
Noelan

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swordtennis said:
Why in the Queens name is Andy coming back at Paris? What the hell is going on here?
He needs to take the year off and come back next year. That hip is never going to fully heal up. Losing that #1 was traumatic I think.
Finally reached #1 and won the WTF and his body gave out.
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Could be error on ATP site since new one is terrible
 
SpecialGunpowder

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Terrible journalism! To put the headline and first sentence as Andy WILL make a shock return NEXT WEEK, then further down bother to say it could well be a mistake....sheesh.
 
Noelan

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SpecialGunpowder said:
It is an error - the withdrawal was announced on 13th October:

We Are Tennis France @WeAreTennisFR 13 Oct
Saison terminée pour Andy #Murray qui a déclaré forfait pour le Masters de Paris suite à sa blessure à la hanche

We Are Tennis @WeAreTennis 13 Oct
2017 season is over for Andy #Murray who has pulled out from Paris Masters with hip injury
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Yeah I know, I remember when Andy said he won't play two remaining tournaments from which he hasn't withdrawed at that point, Paris and Wiena . Not playing Paris meant he won't make WTF where he is also defending champion.
 
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vex said:
Yah I remember when he was playing Federer and Murray in his 2014-16 finals and thinking, man if only he had a real opponent

Fed earned that AO final but that Wimby final was a joke. Nadal v Anderson? Lol
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Murray and 85 year old Fed, LOL. Weak era.
 
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