BackhandDTL
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Who will end up with a better career: Lleyton Hewitt or Dominic Thiem?
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mike danny
Bionic Poster
Well, as they say, have to agree to disagree. Don't think Fed was that bad. Roddick just never gave him a chance with that serve of his on grass, while on HC Djokovic still had room to improve.Oof so much wrong about this statement. First off I think your just taking exception to the wording of mediocre. I've never meant to imply Fed wasn't good he just wasn't good for Fed. Second, no way in hell is 09 Roddick better than 12 Djok and Murray. 09 Roddick was in a coinflip match with 09 Murray and 12 Murray is a couple of notches better. Djokovic also came into the quarters with 1 dropped set and played a solid semi Fed just served out of his shoes (44% unreturned against Novak). This is just patently absurd to me. You overrating Roddickis causing you to overrate Fed.
Yes and it's mediocre
Let's just stick to discussing 09 Fed because we're not going to agree on hypotheticals before we agree on him (which we prolly never will lol)
I mean sure if you wanna say Fed had a marginally tougher 4th round have at it.
There's a difference between 4 and 5 sets and there's a difference between 10 and 12 Ferrer but fair enough.
No you
Well we have very different definitions of bendover and Thiem doing worse in the 5th was because Djokovic was a lot better than Fed. This is the crux of my argument. 20 AO Djok=09 Fed because at points he reached a level Fed never did which off sets his drop. Also, Thiem had 2 BPs in the 5th same as Roddick. Thiem had a higher DR than Roddick. Roddick relied on Fed constantly being below his normal self throughout the match. Thiem relied on Djokovic dropping off from top tier stuff. Stuff he's incapable of beating because he's Thiem. Thiem and Roddick were at a similar level. You're equating Fed's average level with Djokovic's highest level in AO 20 that's a mistake. Fed was constantly underwhelming. Djokovic fluctuated from good to very underwhelming which results in an average of underwhelming.
Nope Thiem would've been completely uncompetitive with a 32-year-old Djokovic. Had nothing to do with age and everything to do with Djokovic's fluctuations. Fed may as well have been in his 30s because he was worse than he was in 12/15/17. Stop using age as a crux.
But I will say that Fed was never as bad in the match as Djoko was in the 3rd.
Thiem having 2 BPs in the 5th like Roddick is not the same. Roddick had 2 BPs to serve for the match, Thiem only to come back in it. Sorry, can't equate a 16-14 set with a 6-4 one no matter how much you try.
The Guru
Legend
You're giving Fed too much of an excuse here. He faced Roddick on 03 grass with more or less the same serve and returned it way way way better. Also, no excuse for how many rallies he allowed Roddick to win. Djokovic did have room to improve for sure but cmon now so did Fed. A Fed without room to improve is never in a position to go down 2-0 to any Roddick period.
I agree. He was also never as good as Djokovic in the 1st and the 5th.
I don't think it should really matter what order the BPs come in especially considering had Thiem broken it would've been possible to send it to a TB. It's not like he would've needed to break again. 16-14 is not 6-4 but I don't think it's really fair to say Roddick was closer to winning or whatever considering Thiem was up 2-1 in sets and BP up in the 4th and had the higher DR. The only case for Roddick being better than Thiem is that Fed was better than Djokovic and I don't think that's true and if it is it's not by any substantial amount where you could definitively call one better than the other.
metsman
G.O.A.T.
Also mph on the serve and comfort sliding on clay, but all this only adds up to Tim being better on clay.
Roddickulous1
Semi-Pro
Roddick served significantly better in 09 WIM than 03 WIM vs Fed. Not sure if Roddick has ever had a better serving performance vs Fed, maybe USO 07. That's about it.
There was a great article on NY times breaking down his serve in that match. Even peak Federer who returned better than 09 Fed wouldn't have an easy time with Roddick's serve that day (he would do better tho).
BackhandDTL
Hall of Fame
not incredible enough, need to scrutinize every point to truly determine who is truly greater
JoelSandwich
Hall of Fame
What has Thiem even done?
BackhandDTL
Hall of Fame
worthless mug
metsman
G.O.A.T.
Obviously the guy with the pretty strokes is the best, people overthink it too much.
The Guru
Legend
Idk just won a slam and a masters beaten the world number 1 twice at slams and reached number 3 in the world and is on track for the tennis hall of fame.
JoelSandwich
Hall of Fame
Was still a terrible level
Agree to disagree
I respect his achievements and attitude but I just can’t ever see him beating a great opponent
The Guru
Legend
He may not be living up to expectations but he's still an exceptional tennis player. If he doesn't have some more good performances he will definitely be a big disappointment for sure.
JoelSandwich
Hall of Fame
We’ll see
ADuck
Legend
I stopped reading but kept reading at the same time
BackhandDTL
Hall of Fame
damn it feliciano lopez I knew it
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