Will Federer catch Nadal in the Masters 1000 count?

[6-1 6-3 6-0]

Nadal currently has the most Masters 1000 titles in world history (26), winning 5 of them in this year alone (a feat he has never achieved previously in his career). He is missing only two Masters 1000 titles to complete the set (Miami and Paris) having made the finals of both.

Federer currently has 21 Masters 1000 titles, 5 behind Nadal, and has not won a Masters 1000 title this year. He is missing Rome and Monte Carlo to complete the set.

Will Federer catch Nadal in the Masters 1000 count?

What are the implications if Nadal wins 30+ Masters 1000 titles?

 

[Deleted member 3771]

In 2012 Fed had his best ms1000 results in 5 years by winning 3 ms1000 titles at Indian wells, Madrid and Cinci. In 2013 King Rafa belted Fed at the Indian wells 1/4. Rome final and Cinci 1/4s, and won those 3 events. If Rafa had been injured this year, Fed could have picked up a few of those ms1000 titles and been about equal with Rafa at ms1000. It's a pity for Fed that Rafa isn't injured.

Rafa is the master of masters with an astonishing 26 wins from 75 events.

Fed has won 21 from 104, at his current rate he will catch Rafa's 26 ms1000 titles after he has played in 129 ms1000 events, so after about 3 more years of playing in ms1000 events.

If Rafa is injured over the next few years Fed could have a chance to catch up earlier!

 

[estigma2001]

No but Nadal will not catch Federer in GS titles also!

 

[Praetorian]

Assuming Rafa will never win another Masters 1000 event, i guess it could be possible for Federer in the next couple years, if everything falls in place. Seeing as the chances of Rafa winning another M1000 is equal or greater to Federer winning another M1000, I don't see how he could catch him. You never know though, maybe Rafa's knees will act up and he'll only be able to play Grand Slams.

 

[McEnroeisanartist]

I also don't imagine that Nadal will catch Federer in the Year End Tournament count. Nadal - 0, Federer - 6.

 

[objectivity]

i find the most intriguing prospect is this scenario: nadal goes on to win 6 of the next 12 GS titles, and retires at 30. assuming he picks up 5-8 more MS titles. he would still be far behind federer (and sampras) in weeks as no. 1, but with that resume, where would one place him in history?

and 6 out of 12 is not quite as implausible. it would be really hard, as nadal has only done it once in his life (08-10). but if he really pulls it off, i really wonder how the historians would see him.

 

[Devilito]

lol, Fed would be lucky to win just one more masters 1000 let alone catch Nadal. That's delusional talk

 

[monfed]

IDK but will Ralph overtake Fed at the WTF? :lol:

 

[forzamilan90]

Where the hell were these posters after round 1 at Wimbledon this year????

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Where the hell were these posters after round 1 at Wimbledon this year????

They took a vacation.

 

[El Diablo]

I'm wondering about those few guys who actuallly voted that Federer can do it. I'll have what they're having.

 

[granddog29]

This is seriously a joke question isnt it. Nadal will probably wind up ahead by atleast 15.

 

[tacou]

Impossible, even if Fed wins a few more you know Nadal will get at least 6 of the next 9 clay masters, plus a couple HC

 

[kaleidoskope]

 

[tlm]

I also don't imagine that Nadal will catch Federer in the Year End Tournament count. Nadal - 0, Federer - 6.

Oh ya the year end holiday consolation tournament fed will always lead in that. The event that nobody cares about or even pays attention to, except for the fed fans here.

The season is over after the US open, but there are a few events for the players that can't win the real tournaments.

 

[FrontHeadlock]

i find the most intriguing prospect is this scenario: nadal goes on to win 6 of the next 12 GS titles, and retires at 30. assuming he picks up 5-8 more MS titles. he would still be far behind federer (and sampras) in weeks as no. 1, but with that resume, where would one place him in history?

and 6 out of 12 is not quite as implausible. it would be really hard, as nadal has only done it once in his life (08-10). but if he really pulls it off, i really wonder how the historians would see him.

He'd be way, way ahead of Sampras for sure. In fact, if he wins the US Open this year I'd place him above Sampras without hesitation.

 

[dominikk1985]

the masters series is much more clay heavy than the GSs are.

 

[FrontHeadlock]

the masters series is much more clay heavy than the GSs are.

Or, the majors + WTF are much more clay light than the rest of the tour.

I'd be willing to bet that, out of the 250, 500 and 1000 tournaments, clay is a good 30-40% of them.

 

[forzamilan90]

Oh ya the year end holiday consolation tournament fed will always lead in that. The event that nobody cares about or even pays attention to, except for the fed fans here.

The season is over after the US open, but there are a few events for the players that can't win the real tournaments.

Ugh, tennis knowledge=pre school level

 

[Magnetite]

I hate using the word 'never', but it's almost impossible for him to catch Nadal.

 

[TennisOcean]

Bobo96, fastgrass, kalyan4fedever
could you explain why you voted yes ?

 

[FrontHeadlock]

I can't imagine Nadal, short of getting hit by a bus, ending up with fewer than 30 Masters 1000 titles. And really, he could have more.

But at 30 M1000 titles, Federer would need to win 10 more to pass him by 1. No way is that happening.

 

[tlm]

Ugh, tennis knowledge=pre school level

You say your tennis knowledge is pre-school level okay I believe that. The YEC is nothing more than the all-star game of tennis, and just like in the other sports all-star games are just for the fans and the players just go through the motions.

But I understand that is all the fed lovers have left to hold onto so the YEC is of utmost importance.

 

[sureshs]

Anything that has a round-robin component to it cannot be taken seriously

 

[veroniquem]

No but he doesn't really need to. Fed has 21 master titles + 6 WTF (the record). Rafa has 26 master titles (record) + 0 WTF. Fed has no reason to have an inferiority complex at this point (except about their head to head )
Stuff about which Fed could develop an inferiority complex if they happen: Rafa winning WTF, Paris and Miami. Rafa would have won every important event in tennis (including DC and Olympics) and that would bury Fed's records. Rafa could do it, seriously, he's close. And of course, Rafa winning more slam titles.

 

[6-1 6-3 6-0]

No but Nadal will not catch Federer in GS titles also!

I also don't imagine that Nadal will catch Federer in the Year End Tournament count. Nadal - 0, Federer - 6.

IDK but will Ralph overtake Fed at the WTF? :lol:

Is this topic about grand slams or the World Tour Finals?

How long do you think it would take for Federer to reach Nadal's title count of 26 Masters 1000 titles?

 

[TMF]

No he will not. But since Nadal fans always complaint about surface disparity, don't forget there's never a grass MS but there's 3 MS clay a year. 18 out of Rafa 26 MS were on clay, not to mention that the ATP made MC as an ATP500 equivalent. Now I'm not saying Federer would have won 18 MS on grass if they have 3 of them per year, but definitely he would have won a boat load of titles given a chance.

 

[tennisaddict]

A guy like David Ferrer who has a 0-1000000 record against the top players has Masters ; So that shows the value of Masters. Who cares ? All that matters are majors and WTF. ATP knows that and the points system is proof enough.

 

[granddog29]

ATP knows that and the points system is proof enough.

Yes which is why the points from winning a regular Masters is closer the YEC than winning the YEC is to a slam. :lol:

 

[6-1 6-3 6-0]

A guy like David Ferrer who has a 0-1000000 record against the top players has Masters ; So that shows the value of Masters. Who cares ? All that matters are majors and WTF. ATP knows that and the points system is proof enough.

David Ferrer has just one Masters 1000 title. Apart from the top 4, very few other players on tour can say that they have won one. This alone makes them very valuable. Commentator Jason Goodall remarked that winning a Masters 1000 title with the big 4 all playing in the tournament makes it almost as difficult to win as a grand slam (although it is made easier by the best-of-3 format).