Wilson pro knot looks big, should I restring?

[fjcamry]

My first attempt at tying off the mains with Wilson pro knots left me with a larger, overhand knot than normal . I pulled down on the tail end when I should have pulled up.

Should I restring now or continue to play with the setup and wait until the next time to string it ?

Here's an attempt at tying off the cross with a Parnell knot that doesn't look correct

Different racquet but the same Parnell knot from different angles. It's not done correctly I believe.




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[kkm]

This is the Parnell knot, presented by the man himself:

 

[kkm]

This is the knot known by a few names including the PC knot and Pro knot:

 

[fjcamry]

This is the knot known by a few names including the PC knot and Pro knot:

I like this pro knot for tight spaces on the crosses. The Parnell knot as the tie off for the mains. Should I restring over for the redo of the knots ? Or does my attempts hold tension long enough until the next string job?


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[am1899]

Respectfully, Yulitle's YouTube vid (posted above) Illustrates the Pc knot...which is similar, but not the pro knot.

Here's a video @Irvin uploaded, showing the steps for a proper pro knot:

OP - perhaps these knots this time around arent so pretty, but if this is your racquet, and the knots hold tension, it really doesn't matter what they look like. Assuming the knots hold, id play with the racquet and try for better knots next time.

 

[chrisingrassia]

You'd have no need to cut out strings just because the lack of a perfect knot. Play them until dead or break, then try it all over again. Practice makes perfect.

 

[WisconsinPlayer]

The only thing that may happen is that the string snaps at the knot, but other than that it is fine

 

[esgee48]

^^^ Don't cut out unless you are OCD or think the knot will slip. It takes awhile to learn to correctly tie knots ~ > 10 times. Once you get the hang of it, you can do it while drinking a beer.

 

[kkm]

Respectfully, Yulitle's YouTube vid (posted above) Illustrates the Pc knot...which is similar, but not the pro knot.

Here's a video @Irvin uploaded, showing the steps for a proper pro knot:

OP - perhaps these knots this time around arent so pretty, but if this is your racquet, and the knots hold tension, it really doesn't matter what they look like. Assuming the knots hold, id play with the racquet and try for better knots next time.

When Yulitle made his video Wilson was still pretty new to tour stringing. Until then the type of knot people began calling the (Wilson) Pro knot was often called the PC knot.

The Parnell knot is most definitely different.

Watch both videos, Yulitle's and Irvin's, ignoring what each calls the knot. Is there any difference? I couldn't see any.

In the case of any doubt watch this, showing a fellow who used to be on the Wilson stringing team. At 4:27 in you can see him tie off the mains.

 

[kkm]

Another video of a Wilson stringing team member stringing a racquet:

 

[fjcamry]

Respectfully, Yulitle's YouTube vid (posted above) Illustrates the Pc knot...which is similar, but not the pro knot.

OP - perhaps these knots this time around arent so pretty, but if this is your racquet, and the knots hold tension, it really doesn't matter what they look like. Assuming the knots hold, id play with the racquet and try for better knots next time.

Yes these are my racquets , the knots are holding tension and are holding .

They aren't pretty , I keep looking at the knots during play . They haven't slipped and won't because of the bend in the string from the knots.


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[jasonfoong]

Just practice & practice a few more times & you will get the hang of it.
I've been there, I even practiced tying the Pro Knot, on a racket that's fully strung,
well, just get a loose scrap string long enough & thread through the tie-off hole that's "free"
no need to wait for the next restring

 

[Henkiedeknip]

When Yulitle made his video Wilson was still pretty new to tour stringing. Until then the type of knot people began calling the (Wilson) Pro knot was often called the PC knot.

The Parnell knot is most definitely different.

Watch both videos, Yulitle's and Irvin's, ignoring what each calls the knot. Is there any difference? I couldn't see any.

In the case of any doubt watch this, showing a fellow who used to be on the Wilson stringing team. At 4:27 in you can see him tie off the mains.

At first I also couldn't see the difference, but there is: Yulite pulls the tail of string back under the loop just before pulling the second part of the knot; the result of that is that the second part of the knot is parallel to the anchor string. In the other video the second part crosses over the anchor string. Although Yulite's version looks nicer, I use the second technique because I believe this wil hold a bit better.

 

[Irvin]

There is no need to restring the racket because of the way the knots look, or at least I would not. Because your knot is so small near the grommet you may see the string being pulled into the grommet. By the way the knot you have is not a Wilson Pro knot. I used the pro knot for a really long time but now I use the Parnell knot exclusively for tie offs and the iknot for a starting knot. There is no such thing as having too little space to tie a Parnell knot. If the anchor string (see video for Pro knot) is on top of the intersecting string you can tie the knot above the intersection. When you tighten the knot it slides right up to the grommet. I do it all the time.

EDIT: To tie the Pro knot the tag end goes through the loop in the opposite direction.

 

[Dso]

You'd have no need to cut out strings just because the lack of a perfect knot. Play them until dead or break, then try it all over again. Practice makes perfect.

Yes, and it wouldn't hurt to leave a tad extra on the cuts. If your knots aren't tight, you could lose the knot by the short ends being pulled through. Not harm leaving a 1/8"-1/4" IMO… unless of course OCD prevents that as well. lol

 

[am1899]

At first I also couldn't see the difference, but there is: Yulite pulls the tail of string back under the loop just before pulling the second part of the knot; the result of that is that the second part of the knot is parallel to the anchor string. In the other video the second part crosses over the anchor string. Although Yulite's version looks nicer, I use the second technique because I believe this wil hold a bit better.

Correct!

 

[fjcamry]

At first I also couldn't see the difference, but there is: Yulite pulls the tail of string back under the loop just before pulling the second part of the knot; the result of that is that the second part of the knot is parallel to the anchor string. In the other video the second part crosses over the anchor string. Although Yulite's version looks nicer, I use the second technique because I believe this wil hold a bit better.

That's the Wilson pro knot where Glen master stringer is pulling the tie off string back into the loop he just created after going over and under the anchor string once . It makes a single over hand loop. What I did was to pull down on the tie off end instead of pulling up on it tightening the loop. I got a sloppy or open single overhand knot in my pics but the knot is tight and not pulling through the grommet.


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[Irvin]

There is no need to restring the racket because of the way the knots look, or at least I would not. Because your knot is so small near the grommet you may see the string being pulled into the grommet. By the way the knot you have is not a Wilson Pro knot. I used the pro knot for a really long time but now I use the Parnell knot exclusively for tie offs and the iknot for a starting knot. There is no such thing as having too little space to tie a Parnell knot. If the anchor string (see video for Pro knot) is on top of the intersecting string you can tie the knot above the intersection. When you tighten the knot it slides right up to the grommet. I do it all the time.

EDIT: to tie a pro knot the tag end goes through the loop in the opposite direction.

 

[fjcamry]

EDIT: to tie a pro knot the tag end goes through the loop in the opposite direction.

I know that the tag end goes back into the loop that formed coming from the center of the racquet down towards the frame. Then I pull up on the tag end. I did that yesterday on a different racquet and it works . The pic above is of my first attempt in a different racquet I still use where I pulled down toward the table on the tag end when tightening the knot .


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[fjcamry]

Yes, and it wouldn't hurt to leave a tad extra on the cuts. If your knots aren't tight, you could lose the knot by the short ends being pulled through. Not harm leaving a 1/8"-1/4" IMO… unless of course OCD prevents that as well. lol

Can I pull up on the tie ends now that it's cut ? I want to cinch up the knot closing the knot .


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[Irvin]

Can I pull up on the tie ends now that it's cut ? I want to cinch up the knot closing the knot .

Didn't you tighten the knot before you cut it off? What makes you think you can do a better job now with less string to work with? Your problem is you went through the loop the wrong way. Because you did that when you tighten the knot you stretch out the loop and it will never tighten.

 

[fjcamry]

Didn't you tighten the knot before you cut it off? What makes you think you can do a better job now with less string to work with? Your problem is you went through the loop the wrong way. Because you did that when you tighten the knot you stretch out the loop and it will never tighten.

I did go in the loop the wrong way I believe.

I restrung another racquet this time 51/53 trying different tension. I got a better Wilson knot

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[jasonfoong]

I did go in the loop the wrong way I believe.

I restrung another racquet this time 51/53 trying different tension. I got a better Wilson knot

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After tie-off, ideally when you cut the string,
cut it long enough to point back to the frame,
especially for the poly string

 

[fjcamry]

After tie-off, ideally when you cut the string,
cut it long enough to point back to the frame,
especially for the poly string

I do . It's actually on the other side of the frame . You're looking at the side of the knot . I'll take another photo.




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[jasonfoong]

Looks good & professional now!

 

[Henkiedeknip]

Complements...these look like nice and tight Wilson Pro-knots!