Breakpointerer
Legend
Exactly
Would Federer winning the US Open by beating Djokovic make up for Wimbledon?
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MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Lol thank you.
Breakpointerer
Legend
Doesn't even need to beat Djokovic on the way in my eyes, another slam win would be amazing.
Breakpointerer
Legend
Fedforever
Hall of Fame
Such obvious common sense. Won't work on this board.
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
Talk Tennis Guru
I am sure beating Djokovic is the one last icing on the cake some of his fans would like, but winning any Slam against anyone would be an achievement of incredible proportions for Federer considering his age and latest disappointment.
Well in fairness, while I think many of his fans are clueless fanboys, the man himself is obviously a legend who will be sorely missed so longer he goes on the better clearly.Wait.
You're saying something positive about Federer?
Fedforever
Hall of Fame
This is the future without the Big 3
ATP take note
Breakpointerer
Legend
Wow unexpected
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
brad gilbert is a tool idc and this is so not related but his nicknames just annoy me as well but i generally don't like him so I'm biased that way. fed actually has the right perspective in general. i mean look he lost early in cincy and well thanks to the wimbledon loss, the cincy loss was a piece of cake to handle, and within a few days he was in nyc practicing. i hope getting their early proves to be good.
Fedforever
Hall of Fame
Really nice to see a non-fan who isn't salivating over his supposed "misery". Some of the contributors here it feels like torture porn.
The Fedfather
Legend
I think (hope) they do it just to spite the fans and not actually enjoying the thought of Federer being mentally "broken" or whatever.
I had a bit of fun with Federer fans for a couple of weeks teasing them, but as a tennis fan first and foremost, personally I thought Federer was superb from IW through to W final and just lost to a fellow ATG showing the resilience and fight of a GOAT contender. We have had a number of events since then, and my motto is look forward not back, USO is what its all about now and lets all enjoy that. Don't want to see Federer lose due to a hang over effect, surely even for fans of other members of the Big 3, deep down we would get super excited to see the Big 3 in the semis. What an awesome weekend that would be...and NFL starts that weekend as well.
No offence to Medvedev and Goffin, but that cinci final was a reality check!!
Its all banter, or should be. I like to think as a nadal fan that Federer and Djokovic fans actually respect the hell out of all he has done.
I think Federer has done enough for the game to have earnt the affection of even non-fans to not want to see him 'broken' after a heartbreaking loss. I enjoyed reading how he went hiking with his kids on his birthday and his wife made him a cake...puts things in perspective and I am sure helped him forget Wimbledon. Ultimately tennis is a job for him, it has defined him ,but as we saw with those nice pics with Djokovic after he won W, but was with his son at the end, like all of us, ultimately there are far more important things than our careers.
Federer will be pumped and excited for the USO..whether he is actually playing well enough after time off is a different story, but court conditions will be a factor and nobody knows what the USTA will do with courts.
Fedforever
Hall of Fame
I would hope so but one or two I'm not so sure about. It's pretty tasteless anyway.
Fedforever
Hall of Fame
A point that keeps getting forgotten.
He was pretty close to throwing it away in the AO Final against Cilic and that would have been a far worse loss for me if it had happened. The thought of him not having No 20 because of Cilic.........
The Fedfather
Legend
Wow, this thread has revealed a whole new side to your character.
Perhaps some people here are just bad at banter, and that's why they come off as a**holes most of the time.
boredone3456
G.O.A.T.
Maybe, but winning the US Open is going to be a tall order I think. Novak, despite the loss to Medvedev, is in good form. Medvedev is also a legit threat as long as he keeps his head together and doesn't let the pressure get to him. Rafa cannot be totally written off either. Plus anyone can get hot over the course of the 2 weeks and for one match, could knock him off. its harder in a best of 5 but honestly you really never know whats going to happen anymore.
I think Federer has reached the point where winning big events is nice, but its not going to crush his soul if he doesn't. He has a beautiful family, clearly is happy, and whatever happens happens. Its kind of like near the end of Davenport's playing career, when she was out there largely for the joy of playing and winning was an amazing added bonus. Federer really doesn't have anything to prove to anyone at this point, so he is just there for the fans and his own personal enjoyment.
I think Federer has reached the point where winning big events is nice, but its not going to crush his soul if he doesn't. He has a beautiful family, clearly is happy, and whatever happens happens. Its kind of like near the end of Davenport's playing career, when she was out there largely for the joy of playing and winning was an amazing added bonus. Federer really doesn't have anything to prove to anyone at this point, so he is just there for the fans and his own personal enjoyment.
Lol..Rafa lost in AO due to injury v Cilic...that still grates as rafa may have won on one leg!!
I am an a hole...just your type of a hole!!Wow, this thread has revealed a whole new side to your character.
Perhaps some people here are just bad at banter, and that's why they come off as a**holes most of the time.
My advice to the Big 3 is simple...you are a long time retired!
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Deleted member 629564
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Every Federer-Djoković Slam final is HUGE.
It's not just +1 Slam win, the stake is double. It's +2 in terms of their rivalry.
From Federer's perspective Wimbledon final was either +6 or +4.
Really big difference.
It's not just +1 Slam win, the stake is double. It's +2 in terms of their rivalry.
From Federer's perspective Wimbledon final was either +6 or +4.
Really big difference.
beard
Legend
Hehe, it was a joke, but half serious...
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
lol hey if i were a fan of either i'd say the same thing ofcourse.
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Rookie
Bantera?
SaintPetros
Hall of Fame
"Make up" for what? He's probably always going to feel that sting, Novak is probably always going to feel that smirk, and fans are likely never going to trust Rogi to close out a match again (which is undoubtedly the greatest concern of all for dear Rogi)...but it would help him in terms of legacy and overall confidence.
BigServer1
Legend
I would love to see Fed win the US Open, but the most likely scenario is more likely this: Federer gets to the QF and loses to some rando who makes their first ever SF just to be throttled. Djokovic limps through his first few rounds, losing sets and getting angry and being petulant, and then his elbow will all of a sudden feel amazing and he'll play Djokovic tennis in the SF and F, winning the tournament again, continuing his assault on the tennis record books. Young guns disappoint for the 2,501,827th time this year, history repeats itself.
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AceSalvo
Legend
I think you meant USO. But yea, you got the drift right. Only thing is, this very much applied to Nadal as well.
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
the thing with the USO is novak isn't even the one person fed has worry about, since 2012 he has lost to several different players and only one of them was novak.
BigServer1
Legend
Yes you're right - made the edit. Clearly I'm still scarred from the Wimby loss. I do think the USO is out of reach for Fed, which sucks.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
I'm trying to understand how it wouldn't make up for it and I'm coming up empty here. How would it not? Makes no sense to vote no, especially for Fed fans. Unless it's some reverse psychology thing Doesn't matter that Djokovic is the favorite or you think Fed has no chance. The hypothetical victory without a shadow of a doubt would make up for it and then some. My expectations aren't that high either. Doesn't mean I'm going to bend the knee. That ain't happening.
Doesn't matter that Djokovic is the favorite or you think Fed has no chance. The hypothetical victory without a shadow of a doubt would make up for it and then some. My expectations aren't that high either. Doesn't mean I'm going to bend the knee. That ain't happening.World Beater
Hall of Fame
Yep. Pretty much this.
Fed's victory would have been one of the most epic of all time at 37 beating nadal/novak b2b. No cigar.
Fed's victory would have been one of the most epic of all time at 37 beating nadal/novak b2b. No cigar.
AceSalvo
Legend
Not sure if this will help. Bust lets take couple of steps back to 2015. 2 finals lost then 2016 injury. That was big scar too. It could have been the end of Fed's career. Nothing was guaranteed on 2017 return. But looked what happened. All the scars gone just like that. All the "scars" from this year will always be dependent on 2016 perspective. Safe to say, it will just be small scratches. If Fed retires at the end of 2019, yes it might become a big scar. An injury free Fed who is not planning to retire always carries the surprise factor. Maybe, not at the USO/RG.
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
That's why I voted for Option 3.
It wasn't just blowing a match with championship points that hurt. Wimbledon 2019 was set up to be his magnum opus. It's very unlikely he'll have the same exact circumstances again.
AceSalvo
Legend
A magnum opus where a 38 yr old had just <= 2% chance of winning Wimbledon after the draw and the SF played out. I consider this match as a transition from a 3 set loss to 2MP 5 set loss. There is nothing more to it.
Federer and Del Potro
Bionic Poster
It's hard to actually fathom Federer beating Djokovic in a USO Final. You cannot really simulate the true feelings since they're not real or true feelings so the vote is justifiably split.
That probably adds to the no count. I know it does for me.
As far as Wimbledon Federer actually had it on his frame, 2 championship points. That wasn't fantasy. And he blew it.
So it's very hard to imagine this hypothetical scenario where he beats him in NY.
Also all tournaments are their own separate entities. I don't really ever see losses as being "made up" necessarily. Fed could win the next 5 majors, wouldn't make the Wimbledon loss not painful.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
To each their own I suppose. For me it would because the UO is where all this started.
Federer and Del Potro
Bionic Poster
Well that goes back to my first point. It's impossible to truly know for most of us how it would feel unless it actually happens. Right now it's just a hypothetical.
I think a lot of us in the no column might change our tune if it actually came to fruition.
But every player has heartbreaking losses and you sort of just move on but never forget them no matter how much winning is sandwiched in between them.
Federer and Del Potro
Bionic Poster
Just like if it were reversed, and Federer had won Wimbledon then lost a USO final to Djokovic, it would hurt.
We always want more, even when we say we don't.
Favorites losing always stings no matter how much they win.
We always want more, even when we say we don't.
Favorites losing always stings no matter how much they win.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
I think most would change their tune. I'm more positive about his chances than a lot of folks, so maybe it's hard for me to relate. I've seen him turn it around too many times over the years. Of course everything has to end at some point though.
Federer and Del Potro
Bionic Poster
I wouldn't say I am without confidence in his future prospects - but him not winning the Wimbledon match when it gave all the emotions of a win only for it to be ripped away at the last possible moment is very very difficult for many to get over. It was such an emotional match that I haven't been able to stomach even the thought of tennis since then. That was a very painful loss.
I do believe if Federer were to actually win the US Open I would change my sentiments somewhat - though I'd still forever be disappointed in the loss. Nothing ever erased all his other tough losses either but losses do make the wins more gratifying, without question.
So it's very layered and complex. I can't be the only Federer die-hard that has felt like not watching tennis after that match. Though most of that has now washed away.
NBP
Hall of Fame
Put it this way...
He could win not dropping a set all tournament, and by beating Djokovic in the final and it STILL would not make up for the atrocities of that fateful July day.
The margin between winning and losing that match was razor thin, but the differences in winning or losing and the consequences that came with it couldn’t be more contrasting. He’ll never get an opportunity to be in that exact position again. For example I genuinely believe he’d have a legit shot at YE#1, or at least getting back to it. Djokovic’s true level this year resembles Fed of 2010, but because of that choke Djokovic has a chance to finish the year with a mini 2015 of himself.
He could win not dropping a set all tournament, and by beating Djokovic in the final and it STILL would not make up for the atrocities of that fateful July day.
The margin between winning and losing that match was razor thin, but the differences in winning or losing and the consequences that came with it couldn’t be more contrasting. He’ll never get an opportunity to be in that exact position again. For example I genuinely believe he’d have a legit shot at YE#1, or at least getting back to it. Djokovic’s true level this year resembles Fed of 2010, but because of that choke Djokovic has a chance to finish the year with a mini 2015 of himself.
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
His chances being so low are exactly why it would've been so iconic.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
I've just always believed in when you get knocked down, you get right back up. It's just the way I'm wired I guess. Most people didn't think he was going to get as far as he did at Wimbledon. I believe in confidence and that anything less is a sign of giving up or giving in which is what many want to happen to Federer. I see it every day here. I understand your point though. Trust me, it bothered the hell out of me too and still does to an extent. I feel like the more everyone dwells on it, the harder it will be for him to get over it and everyone else too. That's all I'm really trying to say. People will feel however they are going to feel in the end. I can't change that. I'll just keep being myself regardless.
