WTF is a glorified exhibition vs. Olympic Gold Medalist doesn't count

[TMF]

Nadal is the only member of the big 4 without having the 5th most prestigious event(WTF)
and
Djokovic is the only member of the big 4 without having a Gold Medal in the Olympics


Yet you constantly see the same comments at TTW for many years - "WTF is a glorified exhibition", "Olympic Gold Medal doesn't count"

Don't know which is a more absurd statement. You tell me

 

[UnforcedTerror]

* Number of Major Titles won
* Overall performance at Grand Slam Events
* Player Ranking
* Performance at ATP/WTA events
* Performance(Win/loss record) at Davis & Fed Cup events
* Records held or broken
* Intangibles

 

[Zardoz7/12]

Both matter, both count. Federer won a Gold medal which people seem to ignore and he won many WTF's.

 

[Dominic & Andrey]

They are both absurd ways to cope, good thread OP.

 

[TheNachoMan]

Only 250s matter. Ruud numba wan.

 

[RS]

Nadal is the only member of the big 4 without having the 5th most prestigious event(WTF)
and
Djokovic is the only member of the big 4 without having a Gold Medal in the Olympics


Yet you constantly see the same comments at TTW for many years - "WTF is a glorified exhibition", "Olympic Gold Medal doesn't count"

Don't know which is a more absurd statement. You tell me

Dubai and Basel matter because Fed had many great wins at both.

 

[SecondToNone]

Nadal and Djokovic are the only members of the big 4 that have 22 slams.

 

[Sampras-Bruguera 1993]

having no WTF is worse because its played every year. Switch Olympics to best of 5 and Djoker probably has two Olympic Golds by now as well

 

[Purestriker]

Nadal is the only member of the big 4 without having the 5th most prestigious event(WTF)
and
Djokovic is the only member of the big 4 without having a Gold Medal in the Olympics


Yet you constantly see the same comments at TTW for many years - "WTF is a glorified exhibition", "Olympic Gold Medal doesn't count"

Don't know which is a more absurd statement. You tell me

What makes it the 5th most prestigious event? The payout is great, but it is exclusively indoor tennis. I don't think either one matters in determining their legacy, they're both all time greats and one is going to have the slam record as well as plenty of other records.

 

[Cortana]

I don't know what's worse. Not winning a single WTF while trying 20 times or not winning the OG while having 4-5 chances stretched out over 2 decades.

 

[Purestriker]

I don't know what's worse. Not winning a single WTF while trying 20 times or not winning the OG while having 4-5 chances stretched out over 2 decades.

So by your standard, AZ is a GOAT.

 

[Pheasant]

Djokovic only won 4.7 million USD last year for winning the WTF without dropping a match.. That's a horrible pay day. But to be fair, we already knew that meaningless exhibitions have always paid next to nothing.

 

[Tennfan123]

Please not Federers gold in doubles being counted towards his Goatness.
Please not!

 

[Fabresque]

Djokovic only won 4.7 million USD last year for winning the WTF without dropping a match.. That's a horrible pay day. But to be fair, we already knew that meaningless exhibitions have always paid next to nothing.

Guy got paid (basically) a million for every win lmfaoooo that’s Dubai levels of prize money.

 

[The Blond Blur]

Trying to be slick by including Ol’ Rog’s doubles achievement in there like we wouldn’t notice

 

[NAS]

Trying to be slick by including Ol’ Rog’s doubles achievement in there like we wouldn’t notice

It was still gold but yeah Fed fan really try to equate with single gold, that is annoying.
Rafa 2008 gold and Murry 2012 one was on another level.
I don't think 2016 gold medal or AZ gold medal of 2021 one was of same level.

 

[Backspin1183]

Nadal is the only member of the big 4 without having the 5th most prestigious event(WTF)
and
Djokovic is the only member of the big 4 without having a Gold Medal in the Olympics


Yet you constantly see the same comments at TTW for many years - "WTF is a glorified exhibition", "Olympic Gold Medal doesn't count"

Don't know which is a more absurd statement. You tell me

Like it or not, Novak Djokovic is going to be the GOAT now. Nadal was the only one left who could have stopped him. But even he is 70% retired at this point.

 

[Jonesy]

Doubles gold, money and intangibles.

 

[Spin Diesel]

I really like WTF but I would prefer, if it was on different surfaces every year.
That‘s also a reason why I don‘t find it so problematic that Nadal didn‘t win one.

 

[SonnyT]

Federer doesn't have an individual gold medal.

 

[NAS]

I really like WTF but I would prefer, if it was on different surfaces every year.
That‘s also a reason why I don‘t find it so problematic that Nadal didn‘t win one.

But wtf was never on different surface, apart from one time

 

[Spin Diesel]

Olympic gold is actually a bit overrated to me. It‘s more like a regular tournament and then you only can win it every four years, so a lot more luck involved to win one.

 

[toby55555]

WTF is important. Tennis has no place in the Olympics because it is not the pinnacle of the sport (same can be said for a few other sports).

 

[BeatlesFan]

I really like WTF but I would prefer, if it was on different surfaces every year.
That‘s also a reason why I don‘t find it so problematic that Nadal didn‘t win one.

Why on earth should the WTF be played on different surfaces? It comes at the end of an indoor season which lasts 2 months and the culminating event is obviously an indoor event. What sense would it make for it to be played on clay or grass after 2 months of indoor tournaments?

 

[NAS]

Why on earth should the WTF be played on different surfaces? It comes at the end of an indoor season which lasts 2 months and the culminating event is obviously an indoor event. What sense would it make for it to be played on clay or grass after 2 months of indoor tournaments?

Good point actually

 

[jl809]

having no WTF is worse because its played every year. Switch Olympics to best of 5 and Djoker probably has two Olympic Golds by now as well

How on earth lol

 

[Sampras-Bruguera 1993]

How on earth lol

Anyone can win best of 3. (I mean heck didn't Med just win Rome? LOL. Yea anyone can) It takes longer mental fortitude and conditioning to beat Djokovic best of 5. You have to mentally and physically outlast him.. And very few guys could when hes playing well. Its why he continues to mop up slam after slam still

 

[djokovic the conqueror]

Having 0 WTF’s is much worse. It means you cannot win against the top 8 players. In the WTF’s you cannot rely on weak draws or vulturing to win. You must beat the top ranked players to win.

 

[Julius Caesar]

Having 0 WTF’s is much worse. It means you cannot win against the top 8 players. In the WTF’s you cannot rely on weak draws or vulturing to win. You must beat the top ranked players to win.

 

[Clay lover]

Says the guy who was simping for likes and “liked” 30,000 posts made by stringertom Just because you don’t have any friends on this site (at least any that are still here ) doesn’t mean I need validation like you do.

I strangely recall someone losing a bet years ago which should have meant deleting his account, but came back using a not so subtly named pseudonym.

If self esteem and validation were not what he sought I wonder what the need was to re-join a forum one vowed to quit. Could've got by just fine without the forum if he's content with deriving happiness from other things in life.

(Not you by the way)

 

[uscwang]

Nadal is the only member of the big 4 without having the 5th most prestigious event(WTF)
and
Djokovic is the only member of the big 4 without having a Gold Medal in the Olympics


Yet you constantly see the same comments at TTW for many years - "WTF is a glorified exhibition", "Olympic Gold Medal doesn't count"

Don't know which is a more absurd statement. You tell me

Big 4? Now that is absurd.

 

[Mainad]

For Nadal fans the WTF will always be a glorified exhibition because he never won it. For Djokovic fans the Olympics don't count because he hasn't won it.

I have every confidence those attitudes will change should that no longer be the case for Nadal and Djokovic.

 

[Spin Diesel]

Why on earth should the WTF be played on different surfaces? It comes at the end of an indoor season which lasts 2 months and the culminating event is obviously an indoor event. What sense would it make for it to be played on clay or grass after 2 months of indoor tournaments?

I get that it makes sense, regarding what you said. It‘s just wishful thinking because of the following:
These are the world tour finals, between the 8 best players, who have that ranking due to winning on the different surfaces throughout the year.

 

[Deleted member 629564]

WTF is a glorified exhibition vs. Olympic Gold Medalist doesn't count

MC and Rome are the glorified exhibitions while real slams like Halle and Basel are heavily underrated

 

[mahatma]

So if Novak wins an Olympic gold or Nadal wins a YEC - you will not resort to weak era / weak draw and peak for peak etc etc? Promise?

 

[thrust]

Both matter, both count. Federer won a Gold medal which people seem to ignore and he won many WTF's.

NOT in SINGLES. A tournament played only once every four years, cannot be taken seriously.

 

[Deleted member 629564]

So if Novak wins an Olympic gold or Nadal wins a YEC - you will not resort to weak era / weak draw and peak for peak etc etc? Promise?

Not really. Aura and context always could come to the rescue, my friend.

 

[TMF]

What makes it the 5th most prestigious event? The payout is great, but it is exclusively indoor tennis. I don't think either one matters in determining their legacy, they're both all time greats and one is going to have the slam record as well as plenty of other records.

The more important/prestigious the tournament, the bigger prize/money. The 4 slams pay the highest of all, next is the WTF. Also out of the 9 MS1000, Indian Wells is the most prestigious, and the payout is the highest.

Bolded part. That's your opinion that many fans don't share the same view.

 

[TMF]

Please not Federers gold in doubles being counted towards his Goatness.
Please not!

It's the Olympics Games, all gold medal are valued the same whether it's an individual or team competition

 

[ollinger]

Yet you constantly see the same comments at TTW for many years - "WTF is a glorified exhibition", "Olympic Gold Medal doesn't count"

Don't know which is a more absurd statement. You tell me

Neither, and both, are absurd because the entire tour is "a glorified exhibition" that "doesn't count" for much except to entertain and generate revenue. People take sports a bit too seriously sometimes.

 

[TMF]

Like it or not, Novak Djokovic is going to be the GOAT now. Nadal was the only one left who could have stopped him. But even he is 70% retired at this point.

This is not a GOAT thread and even if it is, everyone has his own opinion and debate will never reached a conclusion.

Move on

 

[TMF]

For Nadal fans the WTF will always be a glorified exhibition because he never won it. For Djokovic fans the Olympics don't count because he hasn't won it.

I have every confidence those attitudes will change should that no longer be the case for Nadal and Djokovic.

My thought exactly

 

[TMF]

So if Novak wins an Olympic gold or Nadal wins a YEC - you will not resort to weak era / weak draw and peak for peak etc etc? Promise?

Come on.
How does that automatically erase the entire career inflation era that started in 2016?

 

[TMF]

Big 4? Now that is absurd.

You want to talk only about the big 3 and remove Murray?

 

[mehdimike]

The thing is Novak didn't even reach a finals there!

 

[Lauren_Girl']

Nadal is the only member of the big 4 without having the 5th most prestigious event(WTF)
and
Djokovic is the only member of the big 4 without having a Gold Medal in the Olympics


Yet you constantly see the same comments at TTW for many years - "WTF is a glorified exhibition", "Olympic Gold Medal doesn't count"

Don't know which is a more absurd statement. You tell me

Federer has a Gold medal in doubles. What does that have to do with Singles?
He has a silver medal in single. Djokovic has a bronze medal in single. Fedovic are even as fas as I'm concerned. Bronze or silver, it doesn't change much.

Djokovic and Federer have 6 WTF. Nadal has 0. WTF brings 1500 points. Olympics bring 750 points (0 since Tokyo)

It's really like comparing apples and oranges for me.

 

[TMF]

Federer has a Gold medal in doubles. What does that have to do with Singles?
He has a silver medal in single. Djokovic has a bronze medal in single. Fedovic are even as fas as I'm concerned. Bronze or silver, it doesn't change much.

Djokovic and Federer have 6 WTF. Nadal has 0. WTF brings 1500 points. Olympics bring 750 points (0 since Tokyo)

It's really like comparing apples and oranges for me.

You don't get it. We are talking about the Olympic Games, which is totally different from other sports like ATP tennis. The goal is about winning a medal for yourself and for your country. All medals won at either single or team competition are equally valued according to the Olympic Committee.

Yes Nadal is not a WTF champion, but the same holds true for Novak who's not a Olympic Gold Medalist

 

[T007]

Dubai and Basel matter because Fed had many great wins at both.

Belgrade is the 5th slam

 

[TMF]

The thing is Novak didn't even reach a finals there!

True, but you know Novak fans will argue that their idol gets to play the Olympics Games once in every 4 years while Nadal has a chance to play the WTF every year

 

[T007]

Federer has a Gold medal in doubles. What does that have to do with Singles?
He has a silver medal in single. Djokovic has a bronze medal in single. Fedovic are even as fas as I'm concerned. Bronze or silver, it doesn't change much.

Djokovic and Federer have 6 WTF. Nadal has 0. WTF brings 1500 points. Olympics bring 750 points (0 since Tokyo)

It's really like comparing apples and oranges for me.

Seem to be a Butt hurt djokofan. Silver and bronze doesn't matter. There is huge difference. Silver medalist is a runner up bronze medalist is a liser in SFs.

Federer has a Olympic Gold it matters most. Djokovic has a lone bronze. He lost two bronze medal matches