vive le beau jeu !
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Rafa and Caro will both go to the ball as they have both been confirmed as their country's respective standard bearers.
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Players not participating at the Olympics
- Thread starter Aussie Darcy
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Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
Tomic officially not playing
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/tenn...gn_code=nocode&promote_channel=social_twitter
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/tenn...gn_code=nocode&promote_channel=social_twitter
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
[Insert photo of Bernie cruising away in the Ferrari]
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
The response has been crazy here in Oz. Most people saying thank god (rightfully so). Yet a few have said it's a disgrace??? Like everyone wants him banned from the Olympics and now some are saying it's a disgrace he's not playing? Yet Adam Scott our top golfer has decided to skip the Olympics and no such stuff was said. The media sure love to hate Tomic hahaha.
vive le beau jeu !
Talk Tennis Guru
... feel the bern, rio ?
In fairness Adam Scott has copped a fair bit of backlash for not playing throughout various media outlets....I remember Dawn Fraser gave him a decent whack which was naturally picked up by most outlets and has been heavily reported in it's own right since he withdrew.
As for Bernie, of course he'll cop criticism but in all honesty I really don't blame him for skipping them. Sure I get the whole "represent your country", "participation at Olympics is a privilege" etc but in reality he's not winning a medal there, it's a seriously busy time within ATP Calendar, he has decent amount of points to defend elsewhere around that time and he's young and will have far greater opportunities in future to participate and stand a realistic chance of winning a medal at the Olympics.
Media conveniently omit the fact that this years Olympic tennis tournament carries no points and as such young players withdrawing is not a clear cut case of disrespect or selfish behaviour.
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
Exactly. I'm a huge Olympics nut, i'm actually volunteering this year (still waiting for my position). I love the games and everything about them, but for tennis players it sucks. For the player who comes 4th, they'll play 6 matches and get the same prize (participation medal) that a person who loses 1st round gets. They won't get any money unless the nation pays them for getting a medal, they get no points, it's pretty crap. Tomic has to defend his Bogota title. They removed Bogota and replaced it with Los Cabos which is why he's playing there so the criticism in that regard is harsh. Tomic was never going to go far, 2R or 3R at best. He's already an olympian as he played in 2012. The experience is something new for Kyrgios/Kokk/Groth whoever ends up going for Aus.
And it is a busy time, you've got the Masters Canadian Open 2 weeks prior, the Cincinnati Masters the week after Rio and the USO 2 weeks later. It's kinda crap for tennis players.
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Chadillac
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Much like ballboys, i wonder why billion dollar events still rely on volunteers.
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
People are willing to do it
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
For certain PR purposes volunteers are acceptable and if people are under the working age that is also mostly acceptable, but in principle volunteering has become a new mode of free labour generally speaking.
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Deleted member 688153
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That's why I'd only volunteer for non-profits.
It's a great resume-building exercise actually due to the sheer ease of getting a volunteer job.
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
I've volunteered for non-profits before and also volunteered for Brisbane International (not as a ball boy, tournament runner) and now the Olympics. It's an extremely costly volunteer gig but i'm doing it more for the fact I love the Olympics and think it'll be a once in a lifetime experience.
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
I think the call it the "sharing economy."
Once in a while someone wises up and sues.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-et-ct-snl-intern-settlement-story.html
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
Non-profit status has nothing to do with either the revenue generated by the organization or, perhaps more importantly to your calculation, the compensation being earned by the management.
If the management is making seven figures on what possible theory other than we can get away with it should all workers not be paid ?
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Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
They apparently wanted Bernie to say he really wants to play so they can then say no.
I thought it antagonistic for some Australian official to discuss Nick's behavior in public with respect to his Oly prospects. If they had an issue they should have talked to him privately and if that didn't work they could not include him but going public was obviously going to annoy him.
Tomic probably heard the comments directed at Nick and decided to preemptively burn the Aussie tennis authority.
Feel the Bern !
[Ferrari photo goes here]
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Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
IOC = dirty bathturds
WADA presumes your doping merely by virtue of your presence at the Olympics and then you have to prove your innocence and it's expensive.
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
Tomic's the reason Sharapova is banned?
Tomic's the reason Kyrgios said Kokkinakis banged Vekic?
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Deleted member 688153
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The management of non-profits shouldn't be making seven figures.
They're not ones I'd volunteer or work for, that's for sure.
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"Wash your windows?"
mawashi
Hall of Fame
Tomic doesn't do windows... only collects speeding tickets or crashes cars.
And quits... don't forget that... he makes quitting into art form.
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Boaty McBoatface
Rookie
They save $$$ by using free labor
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
They do. And why not unless you take the same view with for-profits ?
It's a tax status.
Is this not a good organization because the CEO makes seven figures:
http://icahn.mssm.edu
Lincoln Center for the Performing Arts doesn't do it for you notwithstanding it's among the premier art institutions in the world. (They're looking for a new President as the current one was asked to leave recently, if you're interested.)
You would not volunteer at the US Open, to take a tennis example ? (I don't think anyone at the USO isn't paid though).
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I always associate non-profits with any company or organisation whose purpose is not to generate large sums of money for
a) The company
b) The people who own/run it
Obviously that is the purpose of every for-profit business, and that's fine, but if those Lincoln guys give the CEO $5M instead of putting that money back into their work, that still feels to me like it's being run for individual gain.
The guy better be performing actual magic to earn and deserve that kind of money, and that goes for anyone.
I would only volunteer for stuff where my input helps the goal more than it helps my boss.
Otherwise it's not so much volunteering and more legalised slavery in my view.
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
It's a common misnomer.
Volunteer for the organization you want to because you like what it does. Pull up the financials before you conclude they aren't raking in money and/or management isn't highly compensated, if that is important to you.
Also, as far as US non-profits are concerned no one owns a non-profit.
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Fair enough.
Every time I make an assumption like that I'm proven to be naive.
My cynicism regarding businesses grows.
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
USTA (non-profit) purpose is to promote and grow tennis (or substantially close to that I didn't pull up its tax filing) not to maximize revenue or profit.
However, they had no problem selling a couple hundred million in bonds to finance an expansion of the National Tennis Center. Bond holders don't seem concerned as the USO tournament generated about $240 million/yr last I checked.
However, they had no problem selling a couple hundred million in bonds to finance an expansion of the National Tennis Center. Bond holders don't seem concerned as the USO tournament generated about $240 million/yr last I checked.
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Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
http://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/36283963
Rio 2016: Bernard Tomic makes himself unavailable for Olympic Games
"On the basis of my extremely busy playing schedule and my own personal circumstances, I am regrettably unable to commit to this year's tournament."
Rio 2016: Bernard Tomic makes himself unavailable for Olympic Games
"On the basis of my extremely busy playing schedule and my own personal circumstances, I am regrettably unable to commit to this year's tournament."
Translation: "I'm 23 years old and worth $10 million. I don't want to kiss some bureaucrat *** to waste my time on something that won't get me any money or ranking points."
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Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
"Revealed" sounds like it was some corporate trade secret that a crack reporter managed to obtain.
It has to be publicly reported in IRS Form 990, Part VII.
I would guess you must be referring to the payout to Arlen Kantarian in his last year which was total compensation of around $9 million.
See schedule J-2.
http://assets.usta.com/assets/1/15/2008 USTA Form 990 - Final.pdf
Incidentally, according to the same filing under the "Organization Mission" it states that the USTA has "thousands of volunteers."
Everyone needs to do their part so the CEO doesn't have to ride coach class.
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They play golf there?
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Apparently, Kyrgios has decided to put his attendance to a vote.
West Coast Ace
G.O.A.T.
Hadn't heard that.
I always remember Arlen Kantarian's $9 million in his last year. I remember it being debated here and some defended the USTA because 'they convince a lot of corporations to donate to 'grow' tennis' - like talking to C-level execs is some incredible talent that hardly anyone else can do.
I once worked at a large company and each year we had a campaign to donate money to a Very Large US-based Charitable Organization. Those who didn't donate had to meet with successive levels of management until they caved in. That was until a story in the paper revealing the executives (most of whom were women married to very, very wealthy men) were pulling over $500k/yr in 'salaries', flying 1st class and staying in 5-star hotels on the charity's dime - so millions were making it to the causes. That was the end of my company's participation.
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
Your figure was also what I recalled.
I assumed it was Bart hyperbole. He's better with Soviet propaganda talking points than facts. The recent Oly Soviet doping allegations should give him a lot to run with.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Maybe I translated it into Australian dollars at the then prevailing rate. Still he took home 9.15 million in 08 and last year the CEO got 1.3 million in 14.
Nothing beats American style corporate corruption. That's why they abolished the Soviet Union and Russia decided to go capitalist.
Nothing beats American style corporate corruption. That's why they abolished the Soviet Union and Russia decided to go capitalist.
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Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
Voluntary means they want to do it. Better have somebody who wants to do it than to pay someone who will complain about the crappy wages.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Voluntary also places some ethical requirements on those who request such as well as legal obligations.
I can't volunteer to have my best friend kill me, so there are always public policy restrictions on volunteering. Age-related ones are the obvious ones.
Full disclosure by those who request volunteers should be a legal requirement and there should be prohibitions on the practice unless certain requirements are satisfied.
I can't volunteer to have my best friend kill me, so there are always public policy restrictions on volunteering. Age-related ones are the obvious ones.
Full disclosure by those who request volunteers should be a legal requirement and there should be prohibitions on the practice unless certain requirements are satisfied.
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
Full disclosure of what ?
I'm sure you're aware most corporate unpaid volunteer positions (interns) are illegal in the US because they rarely meet the "certain requirements." Of course, enforcement by the Government or private actions for back wages are more hit or miss.
Still it's probably better than what passes for labor laws in the USSR.
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Tennis_Hands
Banned
Why are athletes (not only tennis players) getting heat for not wanting to participate at the Olympics?
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
Because apparently they have a duty to represent their country even if the entire country knows that they won't win a medal.Why are athletes (not only tennis players) getting heat for not wanting to participate at the Olympics?
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Because apparently they have a duty to represent their country even if the entire country knows that they won't win a medal.
Duty?
Thriller
Hall of Fame
Rio 2016: Up to 31 athletes could be banned after Beijing retests
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/36314823
I have heard a rumour from a well connected source in antidoping that two are male tennis players who have withdrawn from competition while awaiting the results of a B test. Interesting ....
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/36314823
I have heard a rumour from a well connected source in antidoping that two are male tennis players who have withdrawn from competition while awaiting the results of a B test. Interesting ....
