Federer was no rival of Nole

nolefam_2024 · Jul 21, 2023

Nole became a true contender after 2010 RG in slams. Since then he was never bothered by Federer at all. Let's take a look at all their slam matches.

USOpen 2010 - didn't matter. Nadal was too strong
AO 2011 - Not even a set lost
RG 2011 - Biggest win of Roger's vs Novak and did dent a bit of his aura
USO 2011 - Nole won the whole thing
RG 2012 - Inconsequential
Wimbledon 2012 - Possible but Murray has not even lost a set vs Nole
Wimbledon 2014 - Couldn't stop Nole
Wimbledon 2015 - Couldn't stop Nole
USOpen 2015 - Couldn't stop Nole
AO 2016 - Couldn't stop Nole
Wimbledon 2019 - Couldn't stop Nole
AO 2020 - Couldn't stop Nole

In a whole decade Federer dented Nole for probably just 1 slam.

Even Murray has had more impact. 2 slam finals won. Stretched to five in RG2015
Thiem - Stopped in RG 2019 where he had real chance for 4 in a row
Wawrinka - Stopped 3 times point blank and once while injured
Nadal - Stopped time after time. USO 2010, RG2012, RG 2013, USO 2013, RG 2014, RG 2020, RG 2022. In all these matches its very very possible that without Nadal, Nole would have won the slams. So around 5/6 slams of Nole are taken away from Nadal.

How much will Federer matter in Novak's career?

beltsman · Jul 21, 2023

You blew your troll post by not even admitting that Wimbledon 12 "dented" Djokovic lol

nolefam_2024 · Jul 21, 2023

beltsman said:
You blew your troll post by not even admitting that Wimbledon 12 "dented" Djokovic lol

I am not putting troll post. This should be same attitude for many nolefams, of course not all, who don't try to be politically correct.

Federer can give tough fight but its the W that counts.

StrongRule · Jul 21, 2023

The usual stuff from some Djokovic fanboys. Everything before 2011 doesn't count as Djokovic was "only" world number 3 back then. But for his rivals, everything counts, no matter their form. Even AO 2020 which was pretty much Federer's last ever year. (since covid started it was pretty much over for him)

Kralingen · Jul 21, 2023

2019 YEC loss took the year end #1 away from him…

Federev · Jul 21, 2023

nachiket nolefam said:
Nole became a true contender after 2010 RG in slams. Since then he was never bothered by Federer at all. Let's take a look at all their slam matches.

USOpen 2010 - didn't matter. Nadal was too strong
AO 2011 - Not even a set lost
RG 2011 - Biggest win of Roger's vs Novak and did dent a bit of his aura
USO 2011 - Nole won the whole thing
RG 2012 - Inconsequential
Wimbledon 2012 - Possible but Murray has not even lost a set vs Nole
Wimbledon 2014 - Couldn't stop Nole
Wimbledon 2015 - Couldn't stop Nole
USOpen 2015 - Couldn't stop Nole
AO 2016 - Couldn't stop Nole
Wimbledon 2019 - Couldn't stop Nole
AO 2020 - Couldn't stop Nole

In a whole decade Federer dented Nole for probably just 1 slam.

Even Murray has had more impact. 2 slam finals won. Stretched to five in RG2015
Thiem - Stopped in RG 2019 where he had real chance for 4 in a row
Wawrinka - Stopped 3 times point blank and once while injured
Nadal - Stopped time after time. USO 2010, RG2012, RG 2013, USO 2013, RG 2014, RG 2020, RG 2022. In all these matches its very very possible that without Nadal, Nole would have won the slams. So around 5/6 slams of Nole are taken away from Nadal.

How much will Federer matter in Novak's career?

What in the world?

Goodness.

nolefam_2024 · Jul 21, 2023

Djokovic's most losses came when he was just figuring out vs Fed. Like really in large scheme of things who cares about a loss in Basel or Dubai.
Federer gave a few heartbreaking loss to Nole. But if you see Novak's career overall, it is more like a positive for Nole that he got mentally stronger early on.
Sinner is almost 22 which is what Nole was in 2009 and people are giving him a pass already. And Nole didn't even stop here, took multiple masters and a slam for Federer already.

Now Nadal is different. He took away everything, many masters, the Roland Garros Supremacy which Djokovic would have if not for Nadal, Olympic medal, multiple US Open titles and dented Djokovic's confidence many times. That's what a rival does.

initialize · Jul 21, 2023

nachiket nolefam said:
How much will Federer matter in Novak's career?

Well, the fact you just wrote an essay about how Federer "doesn't matter" pretty much says it all

nolefam_2024 · Jul 21, 2023

Kralingen said:
2019 YEC loss took the year end #1 away from him…

Yes but the record is still his.

Antonio Puente · Jul 21, 2023

Kralingen said:
2019 YEC loss took the year end #1 away from him…

Never saw Fed happier than he was in the post match interview.

3loudboys · Jul 21, 2023

Roger has 550 million reasons not to give one.

nolefam_2024 · Jul 21, 2023

initialize said:
Well, the fact you just wrote an essay about how Federer "doesn't matter" pretty much says it all

Actually that's untrue. Just because you can write about someone in negative context, it doesn't mean they matter. It usually means what the poster is writing is how they feel about it.

This reverse ideology is fake.

nolefam_2024 · Jul 21, 2023

Antonio Puente said:
Never saw Fed happier than he was in the post match interview.

I haven't seen the interview yet. Care to post it?

Federev · Jul 21, 2023

Antonio Puente said:
Never saw Fed happier than he was in the post match interview.

I remember after Wimby ‘19 Lub said that Fed was the best player in the world even at 38 and implied he was so close to “solving” Novak - like he had gained the upper hand against Rafa - he just needed to believe it.

I think that YEC match gave Fed belief again - after that heartbreaking Wimby - that he really could beat Novak again - as he did.

He was probably really excited about the future.

Unfortunately his knees did not share his excitement.

nolefam_2024 · Jul 21, 2023

I think Nolefams will see the Fed matches with Fondness knowing there is not much heartbreak he can give.
Eg. Fed took away RG 2011 but Nole immidietly took RG 2012 semis and won 3. No harm done.
Fed took away Wimby 2012 but gave away Wimby 2019 and Nole won 7 on his own.
AO nothing to worry about
USO nothing to worry about
ATP finals nothing to worry about

There was 1 area of worry in Cincinnati but Fed gave that to Nole as well finally.

Silverbullet96 · Jul 21, 2023

So I guess, with this logic, we prove that Wawrinka was a bigger rival to Djokovic than Federer ?

nolefam_2024 · Jul 21, 2023

Silverbullet96 said:
So I guess, with this logic, we prove that Wawrinka was a bigger rival to Djokovic than Federer ?

In grand scheme of things I would say so. He took away CYGS from Nole for one and Nole's sole loss in AO while healthy came to him post 2010.

Kralingen · Jul 21, 2023

Also, given that Djokovic is 3-6 in USO finals and not even top 5 in titles at a hard court Slam…

I’d definitely say USO 2007, 2008, 2009 should matter. He had a great chance of winning the title every year. He probably holds the USO titles record if he beats Fed at those. You can’t just erase 2007-2010.

nolefam_2024 · Jul 21, 2023

Kralingen said:
Also, given that Djokovic is 3-6 in USO finals and not even top 5 in Slam count at a hard court Slam…

I’d definitely say USO 2007, 2008, 2009 should matter. He had a great chance of winning the title every year. He probably holds the USO titles record if he beats Fed at those. You can’t just erase 2007-2010.

I am not erasing 2009 2010 at all. 2007 and 08 Nole was 20 and 21. I don't think even Andre can win at that age and he was from era where people won early. When did Andre win USOpen?

GabeT · Jul 21, 2023

Silverbullet96 said:
So I guess, with this logic, we prove that Wawrinka was a bigger rival to Djokovic than Federer ?

May his name be forever cursed!

nolefam_2024 · Jul 21, 2023

Nole is also at fault here. Had he matured faster on Wimbledon we would have had 3 way fight for Wimbledon and it would have been amazing. Just like how the 2023 final was.

Kralingen · Jul 21, 2023

nachiket nolefam said:
I am not erasing 2009 2010 at all. 2007 and 08 Nole was 20 and 21. I don't think even Andre can win at that age and he was from era where people won early. When did Andre win USOpen?

2007 was in a final and Djokovic had set points in the first two sets lol… what do you even mean he wasn’t old enough. He was literally in the Final going toe to toe with Fed!

nolefam_2024 · Jul 21, 2023

GabeT said:
May his name be forever cursed!

I call him Satan. He has Satanic power.

Razer · Jul 21, 2023

It is only Federer who did possess the skills to take out Djokovic, nobody else.

Bull was more an opportunist outside clay but Federer was really strong.

If the ages of all 3 were same then I can only see Federer beat Djokovic, nobody else.

nolefam_2024 · Jul 21, 2023

Razer said:
It is only Federer who did possess the skills to take out Djokovic, nobody else.

Bull was more an opportunist outside clay but Federer was really strong.

If the ages of all 3 were same then I can only see Federer beat Djokovic, nobody else.

Definitely. Fed is co goat. But Rafa despite being lesser player was better at times. Like uso2013. The way he turned around the set. Fed even lost after being 2 sets up. There is huge difference between skills and mental.

Razer · Jul 21, 2023

nachiket nolefam said:
Definitely. Fed is co goat. But Rafa despite being lesser player was better at times. Like uso2013. The way he turned around the set. Fed even lost after being 2 sets up. There is huge difference between skills and mental.

Rafa is same age as Djokovic, Federer is 5.5 years older, so definitely Nadal is in a better position to bounce back into the match.

nolefam_2024 · Jul 21, 2023

Razer said:
Rafa is same age as Djokovic, Federer is 5.5 years older, so definitely Nadal is in a better position to bounce back into the match.

What about 2010 and 2011. Fed was 28 and 29 those times. Like every time we use 5.5 but Nole actually beat Raz in 2023 with 16 years gap and at age 36.;

Razer · Jul 21, 2023

nachiket nolefam said:
I haven't seen the interview yet. Care to post it?

Federer was giggling like a school girl in happiness, he was very happy that day, should see the video. It was payback for wimbledon 2019

sportsfan1 · Jul 21, 2023

Antonio Puente said:
Never saw Fed happier than he was in the post match interview.

Novak was quite upset about that 2019 wt finals loss to fed and ye #1 taken out.

Razer · Jul 21, 2023

nachiket nolefam said:
What about 2010 and 2011. Fed was 28 and 29 those times. Like every time we use 5.5 but Nole actually beat Raz in 2023 with 16 years gap and at age 36.;

Yes but honestly speak Raz is not in the Big 3 league, doesn't matter how much these guys hype him, we know he isn't that good.

5.5 years is not a very big gap but still, if that gap did not exist then Roger would have triumphed over Djokovic on Grass every single time. On HCs the match would be competitive and on clay too would be competitive, but on Grass and indoors Federer would have a huge edge if ages were same.

nolefam_2024 · Jul 21, 2023

Razer said:
Yes but honestly speak Raz is not in the Big 3 league, doesn't matter how much these guys hype him, we know he isn't that good.

5.5 years is not a very big gap but still, if that gap did not exist then Roger would have triumphed over Djokovic on Grass every single time. On HCs the match would be competitive and on clay too would be competitive, but on Grass and indoors Federer would have a huge edge if ages were same.

I think he is definitely an atg player. I don't understand big 3 league etc so I will just use stats.

90% win rate. Made 1 sf, 1 final and 2 slams, won iw Miami Madrid 2 times, third youngest Wimbledon champ, fastest on the court, mentally strongest, his TB record and five set record is insane.

I wouldn't worry about Carlitos performance.

ND-13 · Jul 21, 2023

That straight set thumping at 2019 YEC to a 38 year RF was quite shameful to be honest

You are a ATG and a supposed GOAT to some and you cannot even take a set to a tiebreak in a match that leads to YE NO 1 ??

TheSlicer · Jul 21, 2023

You should purify your toughts so you can purify some water

Aussie Darcy · Jul 21, 2023

OP is disturbingly obsessed with Federer, it's concerning. And the threads are just terrible..

SonnyT · Jul 21, 2023

Fedfans say they weren't rivals. But consider this, if not for Djokovic, Federer would have won 3 more Wimbledons, 1 more USO ('15) and 1 more AO ('16). That would be 9 slams in the 10's. And Federer would be out of sight of Nadal.

When one guy took five slams out of you, he was your deathly rival. And when he hadn't won, you'd have won. It meant that you weren't old, you just had a match up problem against him.

TheSlicer · Jul 21, 2023

SonnyT said:
Fedfans say they weren't rivals. But consider this, if not for Djokovic, Federer would have won 3 more Wimbledons, 1 more USO ('15) and 1 more AO ('16). That would be 9 slams in the 10's. And Federer would be out of sight of Nadal.

When one guy took five slams out of you, he was your deathly rival. And when he hadn't won, you'd have won. It meant that you weren't old, you just had a match up problem against him.

Yeah, match up issue with age, as that match up issue wasnt really there before fed was 30

nolefam_2024 · Jul 21, 2023

I don't understand why Rafa doesn't call Nole his chief rival. By the same logic, Nole gave Rafa the most big losses while Rafa gave Roger the most big losses.

Yet it's Nole who says Roger is his chief rival along with Rafa but Rafa never said so.

For fed who was his chief rival if not for Nole. Yes Rafa took away his 1 AO and 1 Wimby and around 4 RG. Maybe just 3.

But Nole took away his AO 2008, 2011, 2016. Wimby 14/15/19 and USO 2015 and maybe one of the more usopens. So who took more away Rafa or Nole.

ND-13 · Jul 21, 2023

It took RF to reach age 34-35 to over take the h2h and if he is not a rival how come 23 losses in 50 attempts ??

Razer · Jul 21, 2023

nachiket nolefam said:
I think he is definitely an atg player. I don't understand big 3 league etc so I will just use stats.

90% win rate. Made 1 sf, 1 final and 2 slams, won iw Miami Madrid 2 times, third youngest Wimbledon champ, fastest on the court, mentally strongest, his TB record and five set record is insane.

I wouldn't worry about Carlitos performance.

Carlito has a great record for a 20 yr old and he is learning fast as well, but how great he becomes will only be judged by his peak level. His performance in mid 20s will determine that. Too early to say I feel so.

Rafa4LifeEver · Jul 21, 2023

Please move to former pro player section

Hitman · Jul 21, 2023

Federer, Nadal and Djokovic are full on career rivals. They always were regardless of who was winning.

I don't agree with this OP.

Razer · Jul 21, 2023

nachiket nolefam said:
I don't understand why Rafa doesn't call Nole his chief rival. By the same logic, Nole gave Rafa the most big losses while Rafa gave Roger the most big losses.

Yet it's Nole who says Roger is his chief rival along with Rafa but Rafa never said so.

For fed who was his chief rival if not for Nole. Yes Rafa took away his 1 AO and 1 Wimby and around 4 RG. Maybe just 3.

But Nole took away his AO 2008, 2011, 2016. Wimby 14/15/19 and USO 2015 and maybe one of the more usopens. So who took more away Rafa or Nole.

Rafa cannot call Djokovic his chief rival because Federer is the person whom Nadal was fighting from 2004 onwards as a teenager, Nadal was ranked 2 to Federer for 4-5 years and he had to bring Federer down to make a name for himself, so his destiny started with Federer, thats why he was emotional when Federer retired but Djokovic and Murray were not crying at all, this is because Nadal's legacy was built by beating Federer, so when 2004-2022 he sees Fed on tour then he is the biggest rival..... that is obvious

SonnyT · Jul 21, 2023

TheSlicer said:
Yeah, match up issue with age, as that match up issue wasnt really there before fed was 30

If Djokovic hadn't won those 5 slams, Fed would've won them. Fed was young and firm enough to win them. Agreed?

It's like Alcaraz & Djokovic in the previous Wimbledon. If Alcaraz hadn't won it, Djoko would've. So Djoko is young enough to win, and he's Carlos' 16 years senior.

alinefx · Jul 21, 2023

nachiket nolefam said:
I think Nolefams will see the Fed matches with Fondness knowing there is not much heartbreak he can give.
Eg. Fed took away RG 2011 but Nole immidietly took RG 2012 semis and won 3. No harm done.
Fed took away Wimby 2012 but gave away Wimby 2019 and Nole won 7 on his own.
AO nothing to worry about
USO nothing to worry about
ATP finals nothing to worry about

There was 1 area of worry in Cincinnati but Fed gave that to Nole as well finally.

If Fed doesn’t win this, Fed is at 7 and Nole is at 8. Decisive. Alcaraz ended any more vacuum era vulturing by ND at WC going forward.

ForehandCross · Jul 21, 2023

Ehh, Djokovic would be the first guy to tell you the opposite.

Fred always gave him the headaches.

nolefam_2024 · Jul 21, 2023

Hitman said:
Federer, Nadal and Djokovic are full on career rivals. They always were regardless of who was winning.

I don't agree with this OP.

But who made impact on the career.

Razer · Jul 21, 2023

Federer has more bag of tricks to beat Novak

Nadal's tricks outside clay are all limited, engage Novak in rallies and then lose, that is what Nadal was.

So I would say Federer was a bigger pain for Novak

nolefam_2024 · Jul 21, 2023

ForehandCross said:
Ehh, Djokovic would be the first guy to tell you the opposite.

Fred always gave him the headaches.

Fed gave him the scare. I remember IW 2015 Nole was shaking facing fed.

That's what happens when 2 GOATs fight. But my post is mostly from the results perspective.

TearTheRoofOff · Jul 21, 2023

You're caring way to much about how the end result (specifically in slams it seems) might have affected his image or whatever, rather than what actually went down in terms of adversarial contestation, which really should matter as a priority. One can easily troll this list in a way that appreciates Fed's place as a worthy rival:

USOpen 2010 - didn't matter (lol). Nadal was too strong Who cares? Fed held 2 match points. That looks like the efforts of a worthy adversary.
AO 2011 - Not even a set lost No sets lost but was a break down in at least 2 of them from memory. Highly competitive straight setter.
RG 2011 - Biggest win of Roger's vs Novak and did dent a bit of his aura. Yup. Decked peak Nole on his best ever run.
USO 2011 - Nole won the whole thing Who cares? See US 10, only this time it was to go 2-1 against Nole in his peakiest season. Worthy rival, duh.
RG 2012 - Inconsequential Agree lol
Wimbledon 2012 - Possible but Murray has not even lost a set vs Nole Are we really going down the road of diminishing Fed's impact by downrating peak Nole to sub-Murray? 4D Chess move.
Wimbledon 2014 - Couldn't stop Nole 5 sets, highly competitive. Age gap clearly starting to make more of a difference.
Wimbledon 2015 - Couldn't stop Nole Best Nole on grass, still competitive for 2 sets, Fed could have been 2-0 up.
USOpen 2015 - Couldn't stop Nole Still a fairly competitive match, 23454 whiffed BPs
AO 2016 - Couldn't stop Nole 'Best Nole level ever.' Still lost a set vs 34 year old knackered knees Fed.
Wimbledon 2019 - Couldn't stop Nole You know the drill by this point. You're the luckiest bunch of bandwagoners imaginable.
AO 2020 - Couldn't stop Nole ROFLMAO.

To say nothing of annulling the rivalry near enough pre 2011, the quintessential MEME take.

nolefam_2024 · Jul 21, 2023

Razer said:
Federer has more bag of tricks to beat Novak

Nadal's tricks outside clay are all limited, engage Novak in rallies and then lose, that is what Nadal was.

So I would say Federer was a bigger pain for Novak

Nadal fhdtl and slice backhands can give Nole fits.

Federer was no rival of Nole

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