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I say Federer he plays seppi ranked 34 in the first round then carlose moya in the second and then safin in third :shock:
Moya was beaten last week by Dewarman, 2nd round of Chennai ( before that he lost to Petzchner), Safin has lost in first or second round of every single tournament he's played in the last months (except Moscow). You guys totally crack me up. "My lord, I beseech you to grant Fed as much skills and talent as Dewarman, just for this once, pleaaaaaase". I rest my case
Ah you forgot to mention the guys AFTER Rochus: Tursunov, Gasquet, Gonzalez, Hewitt, Monfils, Karlovic, Simon: all out of the top 50 tools, qualif or claycourt specialists, yeah!Yes, and Nadal has it really tough against Rochus in the first round :roll: Sure, the strength of Federer's draw is overrated, but its still stronger than Nadal's section.
I think Tsonga retired in Sydney so as not to have to skip the AO. His ranking would plummet, I think he will play by hook or by crook, he'll be there.I thought Hewitt had it especially tough in his circumstances, going against Gonzalez in the first round. Actually, I could say it is Gonzalez who is in for a scrap.
I would add that if Tsonga is out, everything changes, certainly in Murray's favor, who may well be the favorite already.
Ah you forgot to mention the guys AFTER Rochus: Tursunov, Gasquet, Gonzalez, Hewitt, Monfils, Karlovic, Simon: all out of the top 50 tools, qualif or claycourt specialists, yeah!
Tennis.com has the same poll. Nadal is the winner over there.
In Australia definitely, no easy match vs Hewitt at AO (he feels like he has to be a hero there, remember his 5 setter against Baghdatis last year?). I'm not saying Hewitt can win but no easy match for sure.You complain about Safin and yet you include Hewitt for Nadal? :shock::shock::shock:
In Australia definitely, no easy match vs Hewitt at AO (he feels like he has to be a hero there, remember his 5 setter against Baghdatis last year?). I'm not saying Hewitt can win but no easy match for sure.
very true i have to agree there are players on nadal section that can beat him where as players for federer are players that have passed there prime and have very little chance to trouble Fed but my concern is novak as he has the easiest draw and is defending champion also murray has a easy drawI really don't understand some posters who talk about the strength of Fed's draw. Every independent article I have read until now, and I mean in the media, not on a fanboyish tennis forum, agrees Nadal has an incredibly tough draw with Murray on his side and also Tsonga and Monfils, both of whom beat him on HC.
While Fed has a tentative Safin, and a not so in shape Djoko in his half. Surely he would have signed for that.
Nadal has the toughest draw, Murray the easiest.
"a bandwagon"? since July 2008? Djokovic has been playing like crap recently, it would take a miracle for him to pull anything special at AO. (He can do it but I don't know how high the odds are...)Djokovic is 3rd and defending champion. Murray just has a bandwagon. Tsonga is injured. Monfils is only average on hard court in my opinion.
Oh you mean 20 years ago? Please wake up from your dream. It's time for "back to the present".Remember Safin as the ACTUAL champion at the AO?
Finally a sensible post, thank you for being so rational (hard to come across these days...), and don't forget Simon in your list of players that could do serious damage.I really don't understand some posters who talk about the strength of Fed's draw. Every independent article I have read until now, and I mean in the media, not on a fanboyish tennis forum, agrees Nadal has an incredibly tough draw with Murray on his side and also Tsonga and Monfils, both of whom beat him on HC.
While Fed has a tentative Safin, and a not so in shape Djoko in his half. Surely he would have signed for that.
Nadal has the toughest draw, Murray the easiest.
Finally a sensible post, thank you for being so rational (hard to come across these days...), and don't forget Simon in your list of players that could do serious damage.
Oh you mean 20 years ago? Please wake up from your dream. It's time for "back to the present".
i agree he has been playing terrible first blaming his new racket then blaming the weather?? (how can you blame the weather it isn't like it was raining in Australia) and as for his chances on defending his title its almost the same as sharapova's and remember she is injured and is not taking part I seriously doubt he can find his form in less than 48 hours"a bandwagon"? since July 2008? Djokovic has been playing like crap recently, it would take a miracle for him to pull anything special at AO. (He can do it but I don't know how high the odds are...)
Finally a sensible post, thank you for being so rational (hard to come across these days...), and don't forget Simon in your list of players that could do serious damage.
"a bandwagon"? since July 2008? Djokovic has been playing like crap recently, it would take a miracle for him to pull anything special at AO. (He can do it but I don't know how high the odds are...)
Finally a sensible post, thank you for being so rational (hard to come across these days...), and don't forget Simon in your list of players that could do serious damage.
I really don't understand some posters who talk about the strength of Fed's draw. Every independent article I have read until now, and I mean in the media, not on a fanboyish tennis forum, agrees Nadal has an incredibly tough draw with Murray on his side and also Tsonga and Monfils, both of whom beat him on HC.
While Fed has a tentative Safin, and a not so in shape Djoko in his half. Surely he would have signed for that.
Nadal has the toughest draw, Murray the easiest.
Didn't he knock Djokovic out of Wimbledon last year?Oh you mean 20 years ago? Please wake up from your dream. It's time for "back to the present".
Safin is past his prime but somehow Hewitt isn't. Makes so much sense.
Ah you forgot to mention the guys AFTER Rochus: Tursunov, Gasquet, Gonzalez, Hewitt, Monfils, Karlovic, Simon: all out of the top 50 tools, qualif or claycourt specialists, yeah!
Safin is past his prime but somehow Hewitt isn't. Makes so much sense.
That is not at all what I said. I said AO is very special for Hewitt and lately Hewitt has been swinging -and not faring bad I must say- in the quarter-finals of an ATP tournament whereas Safin, remind me where Safin has been those last few weeks... on a tennis court? No?......Ah yes I remember now! In some bar brawl! Awesome preparation for AO if he intends to hit the ball with his fist or knock out the opponent before the end of the match...Safin is past his prime but somehow Hewitt isn't. Makes so much sense.
Yes but the one is very recent (the last match actually) and the semi was last year, Monfils is a young player on the rise, that's not something to ever take lightly.keep in mind that tsonga is suffering from injuries and monfils has only been in 1 slam SF his whole career. and nadal is 3-1 with monfils.
Finally a sensible post, thank you for being so rational (hard to come across these days...), and don't forget Simon in your list of players that could do serious damage.
Yes, I forgot about Simon, thank you for reminding me.
This whole discussion looks like an attempt for Federer worshippers to convince people that Fed has a difficult draw, when he hasn't. It is as if they are looking for excuses beforehand.
Every single article I have read about the draw until now consideres Fed's draw a lot easier than Nadal's. Only certain posters seem to see things differently here. With all due respect for Federer, in his prime he would have just strolled through this draw.
Fed has a 9-2 H2H versus Safin, only wins for Safin being the famous AO victory and a home tournament in Moscow. Apart from that Fed has been all over him. And Safin is now way past his prime.
Against Djoko, Fed leads 7-2, only victories for Djoko being the AO victory and the Canadian Masters. Djokovic is in a slump since the beginning of the year. And Fed beat him at the USO last time.
Now against Murray he is 2-5 down (even six if you add the recent exhibition tournament). Murray is on a high and is the man to beat for the moment.
Against Gilles Simon he is 0-2 down.
So if I were Fed and could choose the draw myself, I would choose to have the first two in my draw and the last two on the other half, because of course it is a GS tournament and you are bound to run into some kind of good player, you can't have it all. Fed fans are maybe expecting Fed to get a draw without any top seeds in it before he gets to the final. Wake up, that is impossible.
The only little thing for Fed that could be worrying is the presence of Nalbandian on his side. They have quite a balance H2H: 10-8 for Fed. But he can only meet Nalby in the SF, according to the draw I checked. We all know that Nalby is not at his best in GS tournaments, so he will probably be eliminated by that time.
So, explain to me know what is so difficult about Fed's draw?
Oh you forgot to throw in the world class Serra! I guess the AO must really like seeing Serra get his skull beat in as he beat Serra like a rented mule there last year. Nadal blitzed both Hewitt and Gonzalez at the Olympics. And Gasquet, surely you can't be serious Gasquet just packs up his gear and is ready to go after the first hard fought set which he inevitably loses. As for Karlovic and Simon, I'd be shocked if they even made past the 3rd round.
Gasquet and Nadal's matches are always extremely commpetitive and obviously you didn't watch the Olympics final because the match was also ultra competitive with very long disputed games (especially in the first set). You can sneer as much as you like those are not easy opponents in the first week of a slam.Oh you forgot to throw in the world class Serra! I guess the AO must really like seeing Serra get his skull beat in as he beat Serra like a rented mule there last year. Nadal blitzed both Hewitt and Gonzalez at the Olympics. And Gasquet, surely you can't be serious Gasquet just packs up his gear and is ready to go after the first hard fought set which he inevitably loses. As for Karlovic and Simon, I'd be shocked if they even made past the 3rd round.
Gasquet and Nadal's matches are always extremely commpetitive and obviously you didn't watch the Olympics final because the match was also ultra competitive with very long disputed games (especially in the first set). You can sneer as much as you like those are not easy opponents in the first week of a slam.
Upsets will definitely happen. They always do. The chances for Nadal, Federer, Djoker, and Murray all reaching the semis is very slim.
If the Draws were switched.....Djoko would become Dangerous...Safin would become dangerous, basically everyone on feds side of the draw will immediately become giant killers
Those on Nadals side of the draw sans Murray will become scrubs
It goes both ways in this topic
There is no such thing as an easy draw....the players make the draws look easy
Not only that...but an upset could occur at any time...just use last wimbledon as example...the majority of the top seeds were out before the 4th round
Had they been on feds side they would be scrubs no?
Hmm i've reached 666 posts...bad omen
Yep. People seem to think that the top 4 seeds always all make the semis. Well, eh - NO. Did anyone expect to see Tsonga there last year, let alone making the finals? Not too many, I'd say!
Even more: Nadal's draw at the AO 2008 was considered to be a rather easy one by most...
So for once and for all time: whining about initial draws is just stupid.
"a bandwagon"? since July 2008? Djokovic has been playing like crap recently, it would take a miracle for him to pull anything special at AO. (He can do it but I don't know how high the odds are...)
This whole discussion looks like an attempt for Federer worshippers to convince people that Fed has a difficult draw, when he hasn't. It is as if they are looking for excuses beforehand.
With all due respect for Federer, in his prime he would have just strolled through this draw.
Fed has a 9-2 H2H versus Safin, only wins for Safin being the famous AO victory and a home tournament in Moscow. Apart from that Fed has been all over him. And Safin is now way past his prime.
Against Djoko, Fed leads 7-2, only victories for Djoko being the AO victory and the Canadian Masters. Djokovic is in a slump since the beginning of the year. And Fed beat him at the USO last time.
Now against Murray he is 2-5 down (even six if you add the recent exhibition tournament). Murray is on a high and is the man to beat for the moment.
Against Gilles Simon he is 0-2 down.
Fed fans are maybe expecting Fed to get a draw without any top seeds in it before he gets to the final.
The only little thing for Fed that could be worrying is the presence of Nalbandian on his side. They have quite a balance H2H: 10-8 for Fed. But he can only meet Nalby in the SF, according to the draw I checked. We all know that Nalby is not at his best in GS tournaments, so he will probably be eliminated by that time.
Gasquet and Nadal's matches are always extremely commpetitive and obviously you didn't watch the Olympics final because the match was also ultra competitive with very long disputed games (especially in the first set). You can sneer as much as you like those are not easy opponents in the first week of a slam.
Oh you forgot to throw in the world class Serra! I guess the AO must really like seeing Serra get his skull beat in as he beat Serra like a rented mule there last year. Nadal blitzed both Hewitt and Gonzalez at the Olympics. And Gasquet, surely you can't be serious Gasquet just packs up his gear and is ready to go after the first hard fought set which he inevitably loses. As for Karlovic and Simon, I'd be shocked if they even made past the 3rd round.
Yes, the quarter, that's exactly what I was referring to.Didn't he knock Djokovic out of Wimbledon last year?
Also, when one talks of a good or bad draw, the general idea is not to look at the complete road all the way to the final, otherwise everyone's draw is tough then. A good or bad draw usually refers to your quarter, not your semi-final and final opponent, both of whom will generally be about the same level if seeding goes to plan. In the early rounds, on the other, there's much more room for differences with the potential first couple of opponents ranging from top 40 to top 400.
Fed fans are maybe expecting Fed to get a draw without any top seeds in it before he gets to the final.
Unfortunately,have to agree.Still,really love his game though.That beauty of a BH,smooth movement,good hands at the net.When he's on,he's a joy to watch,like that match against Fed in Monte Carlo 2005.