Federer-Nadal WTF Finals RR 2011
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TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
Who cares? Both are declining. The balance of power has shifted in tennis..
nadalwon2012
Banned
If Nadal wins this match it will be the greatest upset in the history of the Fedal rivalry. Federer leads 4-0 indoors, and is striking the ball with frighteningly reckless gay abandon. If Nadal wins this match it will be the most emphatic victory he's ever had over Federer, given that it is indoors and given that people are declaring Federer the favorite to win this event.
Lawn Tennis
Semi-Pro
Lol, can you seriously say that you are more looking forward to Murray vs Djokovic as opposed to Federer vs Nadal?!
hmm.. even more than Wimbeldon '08? And anytime Nadal beats Federer regardless of the surface, it will seem predictable from the first point.
nadalwon2012
Banned
Wimbledon 2008 was expected, after what we saw in Wimbledon 2007. In 2008 the bigger surprise ended up being that Federer was able to force a 5th set after being down 2 sets to love and 0-40 on his serve in the 3rd set (and he only broke Nadal's serve once in that match).
Ralph
Hall of Fame
Hmmm, I think not. I doubt any true other Ralph fans will agree with you here. It's a RR match, and both great players already have a win. They can both qualify if they lose the match assuming they go on to win their remaining one.
What your post does tell me is how important it is to YOU that the other Ralph wins...and subsequently how upset you'll be if he doesn't.
I hope you've grown your nails for his one, it's gonna be a biting time :evil:
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AtomicForehand
Hall of Fame
Who is Ralph?
sbengte
G.O.A.T.
Are you kidding me ? I mean, the bull'z-ill and has been barfing and all that but he will be fine come Tuesday. Besides, he is at his absolute peak this year making more finals than ever. I'd say it will be a massive shock if old, washed up, over the hill Fed (who should be in a retirement home rather than a tennis court) steals a set from prime Nadal .
Clarky21
Banned
nadalwon2012
Banned
But my post wrote Nadal off, so why would I be upset if Nadal lost? I already said how much of a freak upset it would be :lol:
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
bigger than Miami 2004? Bigger than 2006 Dubai? Bigger than 2007 Hamburg? Bigger than 2008 Wimbledon? Bigger than 2009 Australian Open?
Sartorius
Hall of Fame
:lol:
This may be low bouncing indoors, but this is probably one of the most non-indoor tournaments when you consider the pace of the court. It's slow and it favors defensive play as much as, if not more than, offensive play.
That said, no matter what the conditions are, Federer is in a very different position in his career now. 30 year-old vs 24 year-old aside, Federer is past the point where he is guaranteed to play a good match at the very least. Especially against Nadal, no loss would be an upset.
Ralph
Hall of Fame
Who/what is AtomicForehand?
Ooh, I don't know... let me hazard a guess....
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
Are you serious? At 30 years old Federer losing to anyone is not that much of an upset, and people making him favourite doesn't make it really a huge upset. Nadal is 2 in the world and Federer is 4, he may have never lost to Nadal indoors (only 3-0 actually) but he has to sometime. Striking the ball with reckless gay abandon can equal winners OR tons of errors.
The biggest upsets in the Fedal rivalry have been
Miami 2004
Hamburg 2007
Madrid 2009
to a lesser extent
Wimbledon 2008
AO 2009
This wouldn't come close. Whoever wins it won't be an upset.
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NadalAgassi
Guest
Most people expected Nadal to win Wimbledon 2008. Roger had just been taken to pieces in the French Open final, had barely beaten Nadal in the previous years Wimbledon final, and had won only 1 small tournament all year. It would have felt like an upset if Federer won. The 3 or 4 set win for Nadal it was headed to would have seemed more likely than the epic 5 set win for Nadal it turned into. Many were surprised Federer even made it that close.
Australian Open final 2009? Not sure who was favored for that one.
Australian Open final 2009? Not sure who was favored for that one.
Lawn Tennis
Semi-Pro
Sure there seemed to be a changing of the guard in '08, but it hadn't fully taken effect until Nadal secured his first Wimbledon title against possibly the best (or second to Sampras) grass court player of all time! Federer played the best tennis of all time the previous 3 years; 2008 Wimby was not a sitting duck for Nadal. While I agree it wasn't an upset if you look at the odds makers' numbers, it was an upset within a series.. the biggest upset of the series. This was a HUGE match for Nadal - cemmenting himself as the man to beat.
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NadalAgassi
Guest
True Wimbledon 2008 marked the changing of the gaurd from Federer to Nadal. Wimbledon 2011 has seemed to mark the next changing of the gaurd.
glazkovss
Professional
Madrid wasn't an upset as Nadal was half-dead the next day after his epic SF with Djokovic.
AO'09 on the other hand was a huge upset because few believed Rafa could last against Fed after almost 5-hour battle with Verdasco.
dudeski
Hall of Fame
Exactly! It would be a huge upset if Nadal doesn't win in straight sets. Even a 3 set victory would be quite embarrassing to the 25 year old prime 17-8 H2H leading Nadal.
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
That's NOT the point. The point is that Fed-Nadal don't hold that much cachet anymore.
Time was when both were the best players on the planet, and their battles for fought for ownership of the tennis world. Now they have been exceeded by Djokovic and Murray even. Djokovic has off course battered Nadal, but also beaten Federer decisively multiple times.
So yeah, there is virtually nothing riding on this match. 2 aging warriors, well past their prime, playing for pride...
TheFifthSet
Legend
Murray? Really? Murray hasn't had half the year Nadals had, and one could argue that Federer had a better year considering his victories at the slams (Federer has beaten more top players). Murray is a great player but he's done next to nothing to overtake Federer or Nadal.
zagor
Bionic Poster
Actually he is indeed quite old (on top of being tired), it will be embarrassing if peak Nadal fails to rip the old man apart in straights tomorrow.
zagor
Bionic Poster
Incorrect, one aging, brokeback, fatigued warrior (Fed) against mighty,young rested and hungry champion playing the absolute best tennis of his life (GOAT Rafa), there's no doubt whatsoever who's the favourite to win here.
RF20Lennon
Legend
fed won 2007 hamburg bro 2-6 6-2 6-0 first win against nadal on clay
zagor
Bionic Poster
OMG, so true! This post FTW.
Outbeyond
Legend
I would love to see Rafa beat Fed on this London hardcourt - what an accomplishment that would be! But I have a hard time seeing it happen.
This is Fed's event. I can't help but feel like Fed is gonna take it away once again from everyone here, including the much ballyhooed Djoker himself. This surface is not Rafa's surface and he's got DC shortly afterwards...nah.
I'd love to see it but even I am doubtful of a Rafa win over Roger at the WTF.
This is Fed's event. I can't help but feel like Fed is gonna take it away once again from everyone here, including the much ballyhooed Djoker himself. This surface is not Rafa's surface and he's got DC shortly afterwards...nah.
I'd love to see it but even I am doubtful of a Rafa win over Roger at the WTF.
zagor
Bionic Poster
You mean you won't be able to watch the match tomorrow? Well record it or something.
Outbeyond
Legend
No, I mean I have a hard time picturing it happen! But that's sweet of you.
I will be working, in fact, but I plan to watch the replay on ESPN3 when I get home. I'll just stay away from the news until I see the entire match from scratch.
Vamos to dear Rafa! - but I ain't holding my breath for a win by him over Fed, lol. I'm happy for him winning the Fish match, though, and hope he can at least get to the semi.
Semi-Pro
Hall of Fame
I voted for Fed in 2 more out of hope than anything else. It would be an absolute embarrassment if Nadal lost tomorrow to an 30 year old past prime Fed with fitness and severe movement issues, even if it's on his worst surface.
Hope vote: Fed Wins 2.
Realistic vote: Nadal in 2.
Hope vote: Fed Wins 2.
Realistic vote: Nadal in 2.
Clarky21
Banned
Trying out the old anti-jinxing I see. :lol:
Look,dude,Nadal ain't beating Fed indoors ever. I don't care if Fed was 75 years old. Nadal does not have the game to play well indoors,and has been in awful form. You can rest well,secure in the knowledge that Roger will be walking away with a win tomorrow,and probably getting that win a lot easier than you might imagine.
No, I mean I have a hard time picturing it happen! But that's sweet of you.
I will be working, in fact, but I plan to watch the replay on ESPN3 when I get home. I'll just stay away from the news until I see the entire match from scratch.
Vamos to dear Rafa! - but I ain't holding my breath for a win by him over Fed, lol. I'm happy for him winning the Fish match, though, and hope he can at least get to the semi.
Don't you worry...........Rafa will have the chance to rise up again, fresh from strolling the lawns of French Disney, and vanquish his old nemesis and expose Roger's hard on the outside, soft in the inside Lindt game. But le Nadal needs to be careful because Feddie can grow wings and soar again like the seximasterclass that he is, fly so high he can be seen from the living rooms all across the Garden State, including Camden and Nutley. Your hard day at work tomorrow will be rewarded once you get home, if you can escape the Garden State parkway traffic.
Docalex007
Hall of Fame
I'm pretty sure that a Fedal matchup is still ATP's most lucrative. Plenty of evidence to support this. So... you're wrong.
Nope. This isn't the World Tour Finals. The winner of this match would not essentially secure a place in the semi-finals of tennis' 5th most prestigious tournament. Na... this is an exhibition.
LMAO! You make it sound like they are ranked outside the top 100 and are at a point in their careers where they have no significant impact in tournaments, aren't in the mix, etc. These two are contending for the tour's biggest titles all throughout the year.
What a joke of a post.
Outbeyond
Legend
rommil, you're no Robert Frost, but you might rival Kahil Gibran, lol.
Just seeing Rafa play again after a long stretch away from the courts is a pleasure for me! Low expectations for the WTF and high expectations for the Davis Cup.
ruerooo
Legend
I'm starting to wonder if Rafa shared some of that bad plate he ate with you, 'cause this is truly some delusional mumbling going on here.
Also, WTF ticket box will never invite you to work with them; I believe this was the first session to sell out once fans knew who would be playing.
*turns slightly envy-green from across the pond*
*tears of laughter*
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
Seriously? Federer is 30, he's won here 5 times, he's beaten Nadal 3 times, it can't continue happening forever. I mean Federer has got a better chance against Nadal here than many other places, but for Federer to win 2 things must happen.
1. He must play fairly well.
2. He must not think "ahh it's Nadal" and choke.
It's hard to say either will happen. It's about a 50/50 chance I think
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
I guess Wimbledon wasn't an upset, but Federer losing to Nadal at RG no matter how badly didn't make him an overwhelming favourite for Wimbledon, Federer at that time was still seen as having the edge on grass. The AO was mainly Nadal fans pre-emtively declaring it impossib;e for Ndal to play a 5 set match take one days rest and win the final against Federer. I had him favourite myself..
Even against a tired Nadal, who honestly thought Federer (after MC, Hamburg, RG and Wimbledon in 2008 and AO in 2009) would have the confidence to beat Nadal on clay in straight sets? It was somewhat of an upset imo
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
Yeah I bought tickets on Saturday night figuring I had a great chance of Federer vs Nadal, still a couple of hundred seats left I would guess... as soon as it was announced it was sold out. Might be a stinker of a match, who knows? But it's seeing 2 greats of the game, so I'm pleased I get the chance.
rofl_copter3
Professional
VAMOS ROGER Nadal looked exhausted
Hood_Man
G.O.A.T.
I can't remember much from the build up to the 2008 Wimbledon final, but I do remember as a Federer fan being very very nervous when I was watching some of Nadals matches, often thinking to myself when seeing Nadal pull off one of his trademark banana shots "Federer couldn't have done that, Federer couldn't have done that..."
That Australian Open final though... one of the last Fedal matches I ever saw where I felt genuinely confident that Federer would win. That and this years Miami match.
I'm sort of confident about their match tomorrow, but these days I'm a bit more cautious. If Federer can win the first set comfortably I think he'll do it in straights, but if Nadal wins the first I think Federer might win the second, but I can't see him winning the decider. It'll be something like his match in Indian Wells against Djokovic where he cooled off after winning the second, regained some momentum, and then after playing a few crappy points in a row surrenders the match to Djokovic.
That Australian Open final though... one of the last Fedal matches I ever saw where I felt genuinely confident that Federer would win. That and this years Miami match.
I'm sort of confident about their match tomorrow, but these days I'm a bit more cautious. If Federer can win the first set comfortably I think he'll do it in straights, but if Nadal wins the first I think Federer might win the second, but I can't see him winning the decider. It'll be something like his match in Indian Wells against Djokovic where he cooled off after winning the second, regained some momentum, and then after playing a few crappy points in a row surrenders the match to Djokovic.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Im curious to see what happens, I think Federer has a better chance than Nadal though.
ruerooo
Legend
If you are a picture-taking type, please take some to share with us.
You know at least one person will comment relentlessly, LOL.
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
If you are a picture-taking type, please take some to share with us.
You know at least one person will comment relentlessly, LOL.
Sadly I'm pretty far away an my camera isn't great.. might take some but I doubt anyone will appreciate the stick figures playing tennis :lol:
Semi-Pro
Hall of Fame
It's a match up issue, you, I, and everyone else knows it. Sure the court helps negate the spin but honestly it still does damage. Plus, Nadal can play indoors as his results last year at the finals proved it.
Clarky21
Banned
The match-up issue is negated on these low bouncing courts. Just as it was last year,it will be again this year.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Pretty funny reading all the posts on here. Leading up to the WTF, there were a lot of posts saying "Nadal is well rested and will be more motivated than ever to win the WTF!!!" :lol:
Now the disappointed *******s are saying "Well...Nadal's got DC coming up so his focus is on that."
Stupid ******** Nadal fanatics! Mostly a fanbase of dumb kids and aging women.
Now the disappointed *******s are saying "Well...Nadal's got DC coming up so his focus is on that."
Stupid ******** Nadal fanatics! Mostly a fanbase of dumb kids and aging women.
Semi-Pro
Hall of Fame
To some extent yes I agree.
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