Nadal Gets Surprise Drug Test

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Okkkkkk....?

Surprise test because some Canal made a joke or a cartoon or whatever?

It's almost like those testers work for Canal Plus comedians!


MADRID – Rafael Nadal says he underwent a surprise drug test toward the end of a week in which the Spaniard was the butt of jokes by a French TV program about his country's alleged ties to doping.
Nadal wrote on his Twitter account on Saturday: "8:30 in the morning!!!Just finished passing a surprise antidoping test...it was expected after everything...but I'm happy it's like this!"
The Spanish sports ministry contacted its French counterparts to complain over the satirical skits. It is considering legal action after Spain's tennis and cycling federations said they would sue Canal Plus for using its logo in a video that poked fun at Nadal.


http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2012/...rise-drug-test-follows-tv-skit/#ixzz1m5Q01UXq
 
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OddJack

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Obviously Officials are helping him out trying to put an end to the buzz.

As they say If there is smok there is fire, but still, unless there is evidence these are all speculation and assumptions and he should be considered innocent.
 
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And where are Djokovic's Federer's Murray's and Tsonga's tests? Test all of them, and don't single out just 1, it makes them look even worse.
 
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It always happens - especially when media start making noises about any suspicious activity. But this applies on court also.

Murray for example, was getting passed drinks from his box (physically being thrown to the ball kids during the match) during his AO SF match.
He was also drinking his drink in-between points, but whether that was to keep hydrated or mere mind games because of Djokovic's time wasting is a debatable point.

..Yeah anyway, their match finished early in the morning. 1-2am. And Murray had a 'surprise' drug test at like 4:30am.

He's even claimed they've knocked on his door at 6:30am when home.

Everyone (I'm sure) gets equal amount of drug tests but it's just the point about who makes more noise about them.
 
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Tammo said:
And where are Djokovic's Federer's Murray's and Tsonga's tests? Test all of them, and don't single out just 1, it makes them look even worse.
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Oh comon, how can you mention Rodge's name here? Rodge is like teflon my friend, nothing sticks.
 
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I don't actually believe the story because the timing is too convenient. It's a clever ploy on Uncle Toni's part.
 
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jackson vile said:
These guys are being surprise tested almost all around the whole year. Proves more and more they are clean as can be.
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It's not enough for the witch-hunters. They're convinced any positive tests are just covered up. It's okay for people to believe that if they wish, but when they start throwing around baseless accusations, especially when they mention names, it kills the sport.
 
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Mustard said:
It's not enough for the witch-hunters. They're convinced any positive tests are just covered up. It's okay for people to believe that if they wish, but when they start throwing around baseless accusations, especially when they mention names, it kills the sport.
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They are just angry that Federer keeps losing, if not for that crappy fan base there would be no problems and tennis would be in a better place.
 
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jackson vile said:
These guys are being surprise tested almost all around the whole year. Proves more and more they are clean as can be.
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They get surprise tested infrequently and thus there are plenty of chances for players to dope and get it out of their system quickly. Also, it's thought that people who are caught will often only incur silent bans and agreements providing they are a high enough profile player. It's been suggested that this is what happened with Agassi just before the 2002 AO began, where he suddenly withdrew citing a wrist injury (or maybe it was 2003).
 
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Convenient timing to say the least. Makes you wonder how much of a surprise it really was.

If past seasons are any indication, we can now congratulate Rafa Nadal for taking what will probably be his only "surprise" test during the whole season.

Let's see if WADA will step it up this year.
 
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Fate Archer said:
Convenient timing to say the least. Makes you wonder how much of a surprise it really was.

If past seasons are any indication, we can now congratulate Rafa Nadal for taking what will probably be his only "surprise" test during the whole season.

Let's see if WADA will step it up this year.
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Yeh, that's the point, they are extremely infrequent.
 
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jackson vile said:
At least we can explain Ronald's Mono now, come on really????

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Solid post.
 
OddJack

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Tammo said:
I don't think Fed has done any doping whatsoever, but I'm just say that they should test all the players.
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Of course, Fed gets tested just like everyone else. His is just more convenient and classy. He probably just leaves it behind the door for pick up.
 
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The only way that the ITF will be considered to be taking doping seriously is if they start blood profiling the top players a la pro cyclists. Occasional urine tests are a joke that anyone with half a brain could get around. Blood tests are irrelevant if its simply to detect a substance. Micro doses of epo are out of the body in 8 hours, transfusions with your own blood are undetectable. The only way forward for tennis is blood profiling. MONITOR THEIR HEMOTOCRIT LEVEL THROUGH THE SLAMS.
 
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The Hype said:
The only way that the ITF will be considered to be taking doping seriously is if they start blood profiling the top players a la pro cyclists. Occasional urine tests are a joke that anyone with half a brain could get around. Blood tests are irrelevant if its simply to detect a substance. Micro doses of epo are out of the body in 8 hours, transfusions with your own blood are undetectable. The only way forward for tennis is blood profiling. MONITOR THEIR HEMOTOCRIT LEVEL THROUGH THE SLAMS.
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This is a good idea. I think it would be a lot more effective if they checked both.
 
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The Hype said:
The only way that the ITF will be considered to be taking doping seriously is if they start blood profiling the top players a la pro cyclists. Occasional urine tests are a joke that anyone with half a brain could get around. Blood tests are irrelevant if its simply to detect a substance. Micro doses of epo are out of the body in 8 hours, transfusions with your own blood are undetectable. The only way forward for tennis is blood profiling. MONITOR THEIR HEMOTOCRIT LEVEL THROUGH THE SLAMS.
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Exactly. THIS.

This is an obvious PR stunt to show the public that anti-doping visits exist, no matter how pathetic the current procedure is.

Only when the storage of blood sampling for further research becomes extensive that we will have a remote clue if players are clean.

Besides, if any undetectable substance is in their system NOW, it's only a few years ahead when the proper tests to detect such a substance will appear and actually indicate if a doping infrigiment happened in a past time frame.
 
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jackson vile said:
They are just angry that Federer keeps losing, if not for that crappy fan base there would be no problems and tennis would be in a better place.
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Actually the most recent thread accusing a player of doping was created by a Nadal fan(winstonplum).

And here's your response to thread "Will Novak's fitness be a factor in the final"

jackson vile said:
He will pop a pill, just like he did in his match against Murray, and be just fine.
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So are you really the one to talk LOLville? J/K


Regarding crappy Fed fan base, it's quite possible you might be right LOLville.

However I would also add that this forum (and tennis as a sport) would be better off without people who are completely obssessed with hatred towards a single player, not talking about anyone specific of course (just making a general "observation").
 
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Fate Archer said:
Exactly. THIS.

This is an obvious PR stunt to show the public that anti-doping visits exist, no matter how pathetic the current procedure is.

Only when the storage of blood sampling for further research becomes extensive that we will have a remote clue if players are clean.

Besides, if any undetectable substance is in their system NOW, it's only a few years ahead when the proper tests to detect such a substance will appear and actually indicate if a doping infrigiment happened in a past time frame.
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10probablethumbsup
 
zagor

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Fate Archer said:
Exactly. THIS.

This is an obvious PR stunt to show the public that anti-doping visits exist, no matter how pathetic the current procedure is.

Only when the storage of blood sampling for further research becomes extensive that we will have a remote clue if players are clean.

Besides, if any undetectable substance is in their system NOW, it's only a few years ahead when the proper tests to detect such a substance will appear and actually indicate if a doping infrigiment happened in a past time frame.
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Of course it is, next they will ban some journeyman like Kendrick and the sheep will satisfied in their belief that the ITF is doing their job.

That said I don't agree with Nadal getting singled out everytime people discuss doping in tennis, if he's doping you better believe other top players are as well (yes even Fed with his "effortless" game).
 
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jackson vile said:
These guys are being surprise tested almost all around the whole year. Proves more and more they are clean as can be.
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We all know you are one of the biggest jokes in this forum, but quite honestly, either inform yourself or STHU.

You just made a very ignorant claim with NO proof to back it up. You were contested on the opposite, and they showed proof through documentation to you.

If you can't contribute, just don't post.
 
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TearTheRoofOff

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jackson vile said:
At least we can explain Ronald's Mono now, come on really????

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It seems to often be a knee jerk reaction to a skeptical views on this subject in tennis that it is tied to a conspiracy and therefore is most likely complete rubbish.

The out of competition testing in tennis is a shambles, especially when compared to other sports that have a history of doping offences within them. This includes absolute numbers of tests, as well as the OOC testing as a proportion of all testing. Moreover, the timing of out of competition testing is significant, and in tennis, most of these last year took place around October and November, which is after all the grand slams and arguably the least likely time to catch anyone. OOC is so bad that when one gets tweeted about it is somehow significant. This stuff should be the norm, and happening all the time, not something to laud as the ultimate bastion of cleanliness.

As for the timing of this test for Nadal, it is convenient since it is following a frankly absurd scuffle between France and Spain over a comedy skit, and Nadal most likely isn't in training right now to supposedly nurse a shoulder injury (itself being suspect). Even Nadal referred to it as 'expected' which seems odd for a 'surprise test'. Not to mention he said he 'passed' the test, which is a little farfetched on such short notice, unless it was 'passed a sample' or words to that effect lost in translation. He was also happy about it. This is probably the first time in 'the history' ;).

Regardless, the testing overall is most incompetent and Nadal has had dubious timing with a vast amount of injuries and such already in his career that is is difficult to give him the benefit of the doubt and not at least be wary of these things.

If this was genuinely a surprise test then good. The ITF should step it up into overdrive sooner rather than later (especially before slams), and that includes in competition testing too.
 
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zagor said:
Of course it is, next they will ban some journeyman like Kendrick and the sheep will satisfied in their belief that the ITF is doing their job.

That said I don't agree with Nadal getting singled out everytime people discuss doping in tennis, if he's doping you better believe other top players are as well (yes even Fed with his "effortless" game).
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Yes, it's time to put pressure on the ITF and WADA, Right now unfortunately it's only being channeled through one player, but the key point is to encourage a big tightening up of the system.

Here is an article which reveals some unusual methods and goings on when it comes to drugs testing and player punishment. I believe a lot of this is coming straight from Magnus Norman's mouth.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/71231087/Tennis-Off-The-Record
 
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Fate Archer said:
We all know you are one of the biggest jokes in this forum, but quite honestly, either inform yourself or STHU.

You just made a very ignorant claim with NO proof to back it up. You were contested on the opposite, and they showed proof through documentation to you.

If you can't contribute, just don't post.
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*Hides*

You will respect... his authorataaahh...:)
 
zagor

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Nathaniel_Near said:
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Yes, it's time to put pressure on the ITF and WADA, Right now unfortunately it's only being channeled through one player, but the key point is to encourage a big tightening up of the system.

Here is an article which reveals some unusual methods and goings on when it comes to drugs testing and player punishment. I believe a lot of this is coming straight from Magnus Norman's mouth.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/71231087/Tennis-Off-The-Record
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Thanks for the link, It should be an interesting read.

However, I sincerely doubt ITF and WADA are gonna be pressured into anything, there's too much $ involved, seeing how easy they let Agassi of the hook for his meth usage is very telling.

Of course people like to believe their heroes/idols are clean but IMO you have to be very naive to believe that.
 
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TearTheRoofOff said:
It seems to often be a knee jerk reaction to a skeptical views on this subject in tennis that it is tied to a conspiracy and therefore is most likely complete rubbish.

The out of competition testing in tennis is a shambles, especially when compared to other sports that have a history of doping offences within them. This includes absolute numbers of tests, as well as the OOC testing as a proportion of all testing. Moreover, the timing of out of competition testing is significant, and in tennis, most of these last year took place around October and November, which is after all the grand slams and arguably the least likely time to catch anyone. OOC is so bad that when one gets tweeted about it is somehow significant. This stuff should be the norm, and happening all the time, not something to laud as the ultimate bastion of cleanliness.

As for the timing of this test for Nadal, it is convenient since it is following a frankly absurd scuffle between France and Spain over a comedy skit, and Nadal most likely isn't in training right now to supposedly nurse a shoulder injury (itself being suspect). Even Nadal referred to it as 'expected' which seems odd for a 'surprise test'. Not to mention he said he 'passed' the test, which is a little farfetched on such short notice, unless it was 'passed a sample' or words to that effect lost in translation. He was also happy about it. This is probably the first time in 'the history' ;).

Regardless, the testing overall is most incompetent and Nadal has had dubious timing with a vast amount of injuries and such already in his career that is is difficult to give him the benefit of the doubt and not at least be wary of these things.

If this was genuinely a surprise test then good. The ITF should step it up into overdrive sooner rather than later (especially before slams), and that includes in competition testing too.
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Nadal has been training,and he isn't nursing a shoulder injury.
 
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Nathaniel_Near said:
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Yes, it's time to put pressure on the ITF and WADA, Right now unfortunately it's only being channeled through one player, but the key point is to encourage a big tightening up of the system.

Here is an article which reveals some unusual methods and goings on when it comes to drugs testing and player punishment. I believe a lot of this is coming straight from Magnus Norman's mouth.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/71231087/Tennis-Off-The-Record
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Thanks for the link. Do I have to download to read it? I can't seem to scroll the article.
 
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the sheep are fed fanatics. not kendrick fanboys.

they advise us all to take meth & steroids and hope our eyes see federer as the beauty queen of tennis and best, most gloriful man/savior of tennis ever.
 
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zagor said:
That said I don't agree with Nadal getting singled out everytime people discuss doping in tennis, if he's doping you better believe other top players are as well (yes even Fed with his "effortless" game).
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Of course, Nadal gets a lot of crap because his physical appearance and play style seemingly fits the stereotypical sports doper.
Much of what he takes is unwarranted but he will have to bear with it for the rest of his career.

I have my own doubts with regards to Federer and specially Djokovic now, as well.
 
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We could just accept the likely reality that all of the top 5 at least are on PEDs and that if any failed a test they would be insulated and protected by the ITF.

Or we could continue to accuse the top two of being the only guilty ones in the sport, while our personal favourite is, of course, sparkling clean. He can do no wrong, after all.

PEDs should be completely legalized so that lower ranked, poorer players without access to full-time chemists with sophisticated formulae, can compete on a level playing field and not have to worry about detection and subsequent scapegoating.
 
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The Hype said:
Thanks for the link. Do I have to download to read it? I can't seem to scroll the article.
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Just click on the article and hopefully a scroll bar will magically appear on the right of the page!
 
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yea, a 'surprise' test.
of course (whether he's doping or not) he is clean,
never touched this, whatever.
 
jackson vile

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Nathaniel_Near said:
I wasn't being sarcastic, I think your post was a good one.


http://www.itftennis.com/shared/medialibrary/pdf/original/IO_47414_original.PDF

There are various pages like this on the itftennis.com site that reveal the true thoroughness of the drugs testing procedures.
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Listen, I am fine with your desire for more tests. That is perfectly fine, and they should do a better job than the MLD or NFL even though it is not a power/strength sport.

What I do think is crazy is the theories of hiding things, and saying that even though it was a surprise test it was not a surprise test. Saying that people are suspend but it is secret so they just lose on purpose or take an extremely small break.
 
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TTMR said:
PEDs should be completely legalized so that lower ranked, poorer players without access to full-time chemists with sophisticated formulae, can compete on a level playing field and not have to worry about detection and subsequent scapegoating.
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My problem with this argument is this: Everybody on PEDS is not the same as everybody off PEDS. Everybody on PEDS allows Novak and Rafa to play their grinding, attritional tennis for 5 - 6 hours, match after match and ultimately win out. If they were not on PEDS could they play this way and dominate against a clean field? Would a faster attacking energy saving game like Federer or Delpo (i'm not saying their clean) dominate in this environment? I think it would.
 
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It's amazing how easy it is to fail these tests. I was supposed to go along with a production crew to a gas refinery a fortnight ago (filming a training video), but I was refused entry for having trace amounts of opiates in my system. That can be caused by certain painkillers like Paracetamol with Codeine or cold and flu meds. Even foods with poppy seeds can create a positive result.

So for that reason I would be very surprised if these guys didn't fail an occasional drugs test, I just know it doesn't necessarily mean there's anything sinister about it.

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I should have said Vicodin...
 
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TearTheRoofOff

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Clarky21 said:
Nadal has been training,and he isn't nursing a shoulder injury.
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In which case, his shoulder injury was almost certainly a lie, which doesn't bode well for his credibility. Still, the timing of the test after the laughably high profile happenings regarding the skits, as if to say 'look i'm clean' seems way too suspect. Once in a blue moon the test is at a reasonable time and it's THIS good? Food for thought.
 
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zagor said:
However I would also add that this forum (and tennis as a sport) would be better off without people who are completely obssessed with hatred towards a single player, not talking about anyone specific of course (just making a general "observation").
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Quite right. And the forum would be thousands of pages lighter and easier to browse through if those obsessions went away. But for those afflicted with these kinds of obsessions, the expression of hatred probably has a highly therapeutic value. Maybe a new section should be created to maintain that beneficial function. A section called General Pro Player Hating Vent, or something like that, where denigration of players, freedom of calumnation, and wild insults between fans could be given free rein. Just an idea.
 
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