Nadal Gets Surprise Drug Test

[Sentinel]

Exactly. THIS.

This is an obvious PR stunt to show the public that anti-doping visits exist, no matter how pathetic the current procedure is.

Only when the storage of blood sampling for further research becomes extensive that we will have a remote clue if players are clean.

Besides, if any undetectable substance is in their system NOW, it's only a few years ahead when the proper tests to detect such a substance will appear and actually indicate if a doping infrigiment happened in a past time frame.

I read somewhere that Fred had suggested they keep his samples for 8 or 10 years so they can do more advanced tests.

However, acco to the OP, they have testosterone that has a short half life, and they add stuff that decomposes the drugs, so that traces disappear or modify very quickly. The B sample will be different from the A sample.

So storage may not help.

 

[Sentinel]

Nah. I'm not Super Mario.

Clarky Gable.

LMAO !!

Aphex is the one that started that epic thread that was deleted by my request. That thing was huge and the "****s" if you will were livid. That is why I use the term ****s, plenty of reasonable Federer fans which are quite classy people.

You are surely only referring to Zagor when you say "plenty of reasonable Federer fans which are quite classy people" ?

 

[tusharlovesrafa]

LMAO !!


You are surely only referring to Zagor when you say "plenty of reasonable Federer fans which are quite classy people" ?

I am confused...

 

[drakulie]

MADRID – Rafael Nadal says he underwent a surprise drug test

I suppose Nadal would like them to make an appointment with him a few weeks in advance? Wouldn't be much of a surprise now would it? :roll:

 

[OddJack]

You are surely only referring to Zagor when you say "plenty of reasonable Federer fans which are quite classy people" ?

You got it wrong. There are plenty of classy Federer fans. Only the low class would call "only" one person as classy.

 

[OddJack]

I suppose Nadal would like them to make an appointment with him a few weeks in advance? Wouldn't be much of a surprise now would it? :roll:

He was probably sitting on a chair too when it happened. Amazing.

 

[merlinpinpin]

These guys are being surprise tested almost all around the whole year. Proves more and more they are clean as can be.

You do know how false this is, do you? Nadal has likely just had his one and only unscheduled test of 2012.

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

He obviously referred to it as expected exactly because of what you mention: the scuffle over the comedy skit.

Yes, indeed, it is rather obvious isn't it? Thanks for underlining the erm... 'obvious'.

Gotta love those expected surprises.

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

Lol, so him no longer being injured makes his injury "almost certainly a lie".

The fact that he would go in to a tournament with plans to take time off for a dodgy shoulder afterwards and be AO(hahaha...)K directly after some brutal grand slam tennis and at the earliest stages of his scheduled healing time makes his injury claims seem contrived. This isn't even mentioning his chairy-knee syndrome what was it...Two days before competition?. I just don't see how he would go from being injured to uninjured by playing the entirety of a grand slam.

Of course, his injury could have been genuine before the AO and healed up nicely just before, but given the circumstances regarding his injuries in the past, I don't buy that. How about healing from a 'rupture' of a groin muscle in 8 days last year?

 

[Fate Archer]

I read somewhere that Fred had suggested they keep his samples for 8 or 10 years so they can do more advanced tests.

However, acco to the OP, they have testosterone that has a short half life, and they add stuff that decomposes the drugs, so that traces disappear or modify very quickly. The B sample will be different from the A sample.

So storage may not help.

Depending on how it is implemented, it can help in almost any situation.

Let's use Nadal for the argument's sake: they could take blood samples from post august and verify his testosterone level on that period and then compare it to blood samples taken during the clay season, and monitor how his testosterone may differ, if it differs at all.

Through blood storage and profiling, they could monitor levels of different substances throughout the whole season on the athlete's system.
Or even before after key tournaments like the GSs.

As far as pee/blood sampling is concerned, that is the only way to catch a sophisticated doper, just running tests on samples hoping for a negative/positive result without any context is simply not cutting in the age of sophisticated doping.

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

(...) they keep his samples for 8 or 10 years so they can do more advanced tests.

then they'd better double lock the door of the freezer... and hide the key from babbette.

 

[Sentinel]

Depending on how it is implemented, it can help in almost any situation.

Let's use Nadal for the argument's sake: they could take blood samples from post august and verify his testosterone level on that period and then compare it to blood samples taken during the clay season, and monitor how his testosterone may differ, if it differs at all.

Through blood storage and profiling, they could monitor levels of different substances throughout the whole season on the athlete's system.
Or even before after key tournaments like the GSs.

As far as pee/blood sampling is concerned, that is the only way to catch a sophisticated doper, just running tests on samples hoping for a negative/positive result without any context is simply not cutting in the age of sophisticated doping.

What I am saying is pure conjecture based on the first few posts, but i suppose if the testo used decomposes quickly, then you will not see variations. Possibly, if they implement your suggestion, then dopers will ensure that the level they take is the same round the year.

Lastly, you are assuming that a person's hormone levels stay constant. I am not so sure -- I don't know.

A decade or 2 back, a sprinter who tested positive said he had had sex all night prior to the race, that's why his level was high. I am wondering whether sexual activity or abstinence can cause a variation.

Certain foods also are supposed to have testo in them. I read of an Indian daal (lentil) commonly consumed in the North that is supposed to be have some.

 

[Sentinel]

You got it wrong. There are plenty of classy Federer fans. Only the low class would call "only" one person as classy.

I am confused...

I was kidding, dude. See "humour" in your dictionary.

 

[forthegame]

Forget advanced scientific tests, just squirt it into a 4X4 engine and get it over with..

 

[tusharlovesrafa]

I was kidding, dude. See "humour" in your dictionary.

According to my mobile dictionary "HOMOUR" means passion and intensity..
I am still confused..

 

[Deleted member 21996]

According to my mobile dictionary "HOMOUR" means passion and intensity..
I am still confused..

perfectly normal...

now to make things more confusing, i post a picture that may help you chose a carreer

 

[devila]

trolls think drug tests are hilarious as long as federer isn't also stupidly ridiculed and agassi looks innocent with his charity foundation.

 

[merlinpinpin]

I read somewhere that Fred had suggested they keep his samples for 8 or 10 years so they can do more advanced tests.

However, acco to the OP, they have testosterone that has a short half life, and they add stuff that decomposes the drugs, so that traces disappear or modify very quickly. The B sample will be different from the A sample.

So storage may not help.

Of course it can help--just ask Armstrong...

 

[jackson vile]

You do know how false this is, do you? Nadal has likely just had his one and only unscheduled test of 2012.

I did not say that each player has multiple test per year. I said that the players are tested year round. There is not a one day that all the test happen, they can happen any time during the year.

 

[arf]

These guys are being surprise tested almost all around the whole year. Proves more and more they are clean as can be.

Nope. They have one out of competition test each year, on average, according to the ITF. Sometimes none.

What's more, if they're doping they can just lie about where they are, and they get a "warning". Big deal - they need 3 of those in 18 months to actually get banned .......... but there aren't ever enough tests to get to those three.

For example, before he won his US Open, Del Potro skipped a drugs test. Before Nadal mysteriously pulled out of Wimbledon, he skipped a drugs test. Again, all from official ITF docs.

Basically, players can dope all year long, stop a few days before a tournament, and there is literally zero chance of being caught.


This is just one of countless galaxy-sized loopholes in tennis' drugtesting. Only a complete moron would get caught.

 

[Fate Archer]

Nope. They have one out of competition test each year, on average, according to the ITF. Sometimes none.

What's more, if they're doping they can just lie about where they are, and they get a "warning". Big deal - they need 3 of those in 18 months to actually get banned .......... but there aren't ever enough tests to get to those three.

For example, before he won his US Open, Del Potro skipped a drugs test. Before Nadal mysteriously pulled out of Wimbledon, he skipped a drugs test. Again, all from official ITF docs.

Basically, players can dope all year long, stop a few days before a tournament, and there is literally zero chance of being caught.


This is just one of countless galaxy-sized loopholes in tennis' drugtesting. Only a complete moron would get caught.

I'm glad that more people who are aware of the current state of the tennis anti-doping program are joining this board.

We need more people to tell it as it is, no matter how reality shattering it may look to some other people.

 

[devila]

riiiiight. a dumb french show with a cheap set full of lame actors is riling up bitter federer sympathizers.
let's see surveillance videos of drug tests for federer and french athletes.

 

[Nathaniel_Near]

I'm glad that more people who are aware of the current state of the tennis anti-doping program are joining this board.

We need more people to tell it as it is, no matter how reality shattering it may look to some other people.

GenesisIV has spoken... (you probably won't know what I'm getting at).

But yes, it's a good development.

 

[Fate Archer]

GenesisIV has spoken... (you probably won't know what I'm getting at).

But yes, it's a good development.

Probably not, but that's one particular interesting passage in the bible. It always striked me as a bit unfair what God did to Cain.

 

[DoubleDeuce]

Sooo..they give the results right on the spot? He says he passed?

 

[Sentinel]

Sooo..they give the results right on the spot? He says he passed?

Luckily the dope test did not involve reading and writing, so i guess he passed.

 

[vernonbc]

I'm glad that more people who are aware of the current state of the tennis anti-doping program are joining this board.

We need more people to tell it as it is, no matter how reality shattering it may look to some other people.

There is not one single person on this board who is knowledgeable enough to 'tell it as it is'. There are plenty who are supposing and guessing and assuming and rumor mongering.

 

[Sentinel]

There is not one single person on this board who is knowledgeable enough to 'tell it as it is'. There are plenty who are supposing and guessing and assuming and rumor mongering.

Taking banned substances is not exactly like finding out about your racket specs or clothing sponsor. Who exactly can you trust about such details ?

Since drug detection lags behind the drug takers/masking by several years, we will have to go with suspicion, guessing and speculation.

Even if someone is outed, we can say he was framed -- as Bjorn99 says about Ben Johnson.

 

[Nathaniel_Near]

There is not one single person on this board who is knowledgeable enough to 'tell it as it is'. There are plenty who are supposing and guessing and assuming and rumor mongering.

And therefore seeing as not anybody can 'tell it as it is' either way, especially due to the nature of the drugs testing and clear stories told in various articles or presented as various tables of data, it makes sense to *talk about it* one way or the other. Engage the mind, the brain. Engage it.

 

[Nathaniel_Near]

If he was indeed tested, he probably wasn't tested for EPO. Look at this...

http://tennishasasteroidproblem.blo...howComment=1329227904534#c1730848605238811742

The source from which the analysis was extrapolated is clearly stated before the comments section. This isn't bs or speculation, it's actual data drawn from public data which is available on itftennis.com from within the 'statistics' section.

 

[Fate Archer]

There is not one single person on this board who is knowledgeable enough to 'tell it as it is'. There are plenty who are supposing and guessing and assuming and rumor mongering.

Oh honey you tell me.
I think we could expand even further and say that there is barely anyone who can tell it as it is on the ITF anti-doping program either, based on how behind tennis anti-doping tests are.

I would like to invite you to my last thread on the subject for some further reading on the issue, if you haven't checked it already.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=412846

 

[OddJack]

Daily Tennis News Wire - Rafael Nadal will meet with Spanish prime minister Mariano Rajoy today and part of their discussion could be about his feelings that there is a general campaign in France to discredit Spanish athletes by implying their success is due to doping.

DPA is reporting that Nadal will have a private meeting with Rajoy after the 2011 title winning Spanish Davis Cup team meets with him and King Juan Carlos

Nadal is upset about a recent episode of the French TV station Canal Plus' show "The Puppeteers" that put together a skit of Nadal where it appears he is drinking something that gives him an abundance of energy and implies that he is doping.

“I don't think it's just one media, it's a general campaign by the neighboring country,” Nadal said last weekend. “It's sad to see a campaign like that against something that has cost so much to achieve. There's no question of pills or syringes or anything like that I can assure you."

The Spanish Tennis Federation and the Spanish Olympic Committee are threatening to sue the station, and the government in Madrid has contacted their counterparts in Paris to complain.

As Nadal's uncle and coach Toni has said, if this were an isolated incident, it might have passed without a strong reaction, but the TV skit comes just a few moths after France's Yannick Noah - the former Roland Garros champion -- wrote an editorial where he alleged that Spanish athletes might be doping. The Spanish Tennis community was outraged and struck back with some editorials of their own, including one penned by former Davis Cup captain Emilio Sanchez-Vicario.

 

[Sentinel]

Daily Tennis News Wire - Rafael Nadal will meet with Spanish prime minister Mariano Rajoy today and part of their discussion could be about his feelings that there is a general campaign in France to discredit Spanish athletes by implying their success is due to doping.

Toni had better coach Raphael properly on what to say in their meeting.

Obviously the Prime Minister also smells something fishy to have summoned Raphael.

 

[Mike Sams]

If Nadal is caught doping, does Federer go up to 22 Grand Slam wins by default? :razz:

 

[Sentinel]

If Nadal is caught doping, does Federer go up to 22 Grand Slam wins by default? :razz:

What if Raphael and Roger are both caught.

Does Roddick become GOAT :shock:

Or Murray.

 

[vernonbc]

Since drug detection lags behind the drug takers/masking by several years, we will have to go with suspicion, guessing and speculation.

No, only fools go with suspicion, guessing and speculation.

If he was indeed tested, he probably wasn't tested for EPO. Look at this...

http://tennishasasteroidproblem.blog...48605238811742

And anybody that uses that joke website as a reference is not just a fool, they are an idiot. In the real world, rumours do not equal facts. Why, on http://NathanielNearplayswithgoats, there were some interesting rumours about you and since they were on the internet, I guess I'll have to assume they are true. :roll:

 

[Nathaniel_Near]

No, only fools go with suspicion, guessing and speculation.


And anybody that uses that joke website as a reference is not just a fool, they are an idiot. In the real world, rumours do not equal facts. Why, on http://NathanielNearplayswithgoats, there were some interesting rumours about you and since they were on the internet, I guess I'll have to assume they are true. :roll:

You are being insufferable, I very clearly stated that the info drawn is used from official records on the ITF website. Time to stop being ignorant and dismissive and accept that the recent analysis is true, and drawn from true public data from the ITF website. This is a fact - it's irrefutable - and to ignore it makes you look more than just extremely silly.

 

[Fate Archer]

No, only fools go with suspicion, guessing and speculation.

I think you might be the only person in this world who was never suspicious of; or speculated something.

I wonder what would happen if all kinds of law enforcement agencies in the world dropped their investigations arised due to "suspicion" or their "speculative thinking".

Speculation is a curious thing. It can be one of the most useless tools in the human mind (and in most cases it is), but it can also be the first step that leads us closer to the truth.

A well known physicist went as far as saying: “I think that only daring speculation can lead us further and not accumulation of facts.”
Not that I completely agree with this, but you catch my drift.

Physics is one of the subjects of human knowledge where you will find incredible ammounts of speculation. And rightly so.
They must be all a bunch of fools, as are any who dwell on speculation to understand the reality that may surround us.

And anybody that uses that joke website as a reference is not just a fool, they are an idiot. In the real world, rumours do not equal facts.

I will only address that part of your post, because I'm afraid you lost it on what followed.

While the THASP website has a very speculative layout and general nature (the name of the site itself attests to that), to simply dismiss it because of its layout or because there may be particular content there that you may not like is ignorant foolishness.

As Nathaniel_Near has pointed out, the bulk of information that really matters on the site is comprised of the little of information that is avaiable - or sometimes may even leak - to the public, and these bits of info are irrefutable.

To be fair with them and to their credibility, there is no fabricated information there, they use basicaly only the little that is made avaiable to the public in the form of files, articles and the usual developments that may arise in the MSM.

If you're really curious or remotely concerned about the issue, you'd give it a chance. Most open minded people should.

As I mentioned early, and that is definitely not the case just in physics; many, if not most, of the conclusions that we arrived and come to know as true in the REAL WORLD, start with an assumption; or a suspicion, or just plain speculation.
That's just how it works. And rightly so.

Speculation can be a very productive tool if there is sound reasoning behind it.

 

[Sentinel]

No, only fools go with suspicion, guessing and speculation.

Thanks for clarifying that.

So what facts do you have on the matter, and what are your authoritative sources? How do you know for sure which side is telling the truth?

 

[stingstang]

The only way that the ITF will be considered to be taking doping seriously is if they start blood profiling the top players a la pro cyclists. Occasional urine tests are a joke that anyone with half a brain could get around. Blood tests are irrelevant if its simply to detect a substance. Micro doses of epo are out of the body in 8 hours, transfusions with your own blood are undetectable. The only way forward for tennis is blood profiling. MONITOR THEIR HEMOTOCRIT LEVEL THROUGH THE SLAMS.

100% spot on.

But look what happened to cycling after all the drug scandals- reputation went down the drain, all the big sponsors left. The financial implications are mega, Sharapova alones Nike contract is $70m :shock:

Won't happen.

 

[sureshs]

Nadal got a surprise drug test and passed it.

He is not doping. Whether you like him or not does not matter.

Move on.

 

[Mustard]

Move on.

Not much chance of that when they've already dragged Nadal's and tennis' name through the mud with zero evidence.

 

[NamRanger]

Not much chance of that when they've already dragged Nadal's and tennis' name through the mud with zero evidence.

Yeah, because no one has ever accused Novak of using PEDs.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Yeah, because no one has ever accused Novak of using PEDs.

And 15 threads were started about it?

 

[Crisstti]

Sooo..they give the results right on the spot? He says he passed?

I think Rafa is using "pasar" as in "go through".
"Pasé un control anti-doping" = "I went through an anti-doping test".

There is not one single person on this board who is knowledgeable enough to 'tell it as it is'. There are plenty who are supposing and guessing and assuming and rumor mongering.

Don't take them out of their fantasy...

Oh honey you tell me.
I think we could expand even further and say that there is barely anyone who can tell it as it is on the ITF anti-doping program either, based on how behind tennis anti-doping tests are.

I would like to invite you to my last thread on the subject for some further reading on the issue, if you haven't checked it already.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=412846

About that, we should consider that the guy who gave that interview appears to be saying that the anti-doping tests WERE behind...

SPIEGEL: Did you ever take the doping testers seriously?

Heredia: No, we laughed at them. Today, of course, it is the testers who are laughing.

 

[Nathaniel_Near]

A lot of disgraceful confirmation bias and one-eyed-man-ship is taking place here. This is obviously extremely disappointing and incredibly contemptible. Beware your own insolence, folks.

 

[Fate Archer]

About that, we should consider that the guy who gave that interview appears to be saying that the anti-doping tests WERE behind...

It's funny how ambiguous that line may sound, when quoted totally out of context, like it is here.
It's also funny how after reading through the whole thing, you were seemingly unable to grasp the point.

Well, what can I say, If you cared enough to follow the other links to interviews in the next few posts, where there are other similar statements or quotes, MAYBE you would come to see where the joke is at.

 

[Crisstti]

It's funny how ambiguous that line may sound, when quoted totally out of context, like it is here.
It's also funny how after reading through the whole thing, you were seemingly unable to grasp the point.

Well, what can I say, If you cared enough to follow the other links to interviews in the next few posts, where there are other similar statements or quotes, MAYBE you would come to see where the joke is at.

Whatever :roll:

I'm not manipulating anything when quoting that line so "out of context". If someone wants to read the context, they can click on the link. I wasn't going to post the whole interview here.

 

[Sentinel]

Yeah, because no one has ever accused Novak of using PEDs.

Clarky21 inventor of FrankenCvac

 

[Clarky21]

Clarky21 inventor of FrankenCvac

No,that honor belongs to Dr. Igor.