KineticChain
Hall of Fame
Gasquet imitates a TT poster by hitting a loopy dinker short ball. Del potro imitates a pro player by demolishing said dinker.
http://youtu.be/PcqwC4fgJQI?t=1m21s
http://youtu.be/PcqwC4fgJQI?t=1m21s
This is what happens if you leave a ball short against a pro
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dominikk1985
Legend
well that ball sit up high and was an easy putaway for anyone in the top1000. A short ball above the net court is always an easy kill.
a short, hard hit, low slice that stays below knee height however can be very effective
KineticChain
Hall of Fame
otherwise known as a 'pro player'
dominikk1985
Legend
yes. I would even say most 5.0 players are able to put away that shot. I think it was an off center hit by gasquet.
GoudX
Professional
That's not true, pretty much no one on TT can get the kind of topspin that Gasquet has on his backhand - so our shots would be killed even easier.
Topspin Shot
Legend
Troll thread. Not a 5.0 on this planet could put away that ball.
KineticChain
Hall of Fame
Some could probably pull off a winner from that location yes.. but definitely not with that much power and consistency.
KineticChain
Hall of Fame
It's a troll thread because you don't like it or because you don't understand it's purpose? You need to get with the times.. not everything you dislike is inherently 'trolling'. And where did it say anywhere that a 5.0 couldn't put that ball away?
WildVolley
Legend
I'll keep this in mind next time I find myself playing Del Potro.
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Topslice
Guest
Wrong I can.
tennis_balla
Hall of Fame
That ball is a lot tougher to hit than it looks like. A 5.0 would have trouble putting it away.
There are so many factors in play that people are missing. Number 1 is DelPo's footwork to get him into position to annihilate that ball. Second is his clean timing off a spinning ball (regardless of his height), third is his balance (during and after the shot, its absolutely perfect) and of course having the confidence to go for a shot like that. I'm talking confidence, not ambition.
There are so many factors in play that people are missing. Number 1 is DelPo's footwork to get him into position to annihilate that ball. Second is his clean timing off a spinning ball (regardless of his height), third is his balance (during and after the shot, its absolutely perfect) and of course having the confidence to go for a shot like that. I'm talking confidence, not ambition.
RoddickAce
Hall of Fame
Verdasco imitates a TT poster hitting a smash:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-N028Fl-t0&t=0m20s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-N028Fl-t0&t=0m20s
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Topslice
Guest
Give him the benefit of the doubt, smashes are hard in wind and sun!
Topspin Shot
Legend
Thank for injecting some sense into this thread. There may still be hope!
user92626
G.O.A.T.
And who does Del Potro imitate in this clip?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjxMyk2JX1o
hint: absolutely perfect footwork, balance and control.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjxMyk2JX1o
hint: absolutely perfect footwork, balance and control.
tennis_balla
Hall of Fame
You sure about that hint?
dominikk1985
Legend
that happens when we average hacks try to punish a pusher and then at the next day we start a thread here with the title "I got owned by a pusher"
user92626
G.O.A.T.
You not sure?
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
when was this filmed ?
KineticChain
Hall of Fame
West Coast Ace
G.O.A.T.
Don't forget how tall JMDP is. That got pretty high - his shoulder height is going to be over a lot of people's heads.
Also, amateurs, even 5.0s, might overhit and put it into the back fence. Better option IMHO is to hit a 75% ball deep down that line and get into the net.
Man, training in Monte Carlo - nice life...
Also, amateurs, even 5.0s, might overhit and put it into the back fence. Better option IMHO is to hit a 75% ball deep down that line and get into the net.
Man, training in Monte Carlo - nice life...
tennis_balla
Hall of Fame
A 5.0 wouldn't get even get a chance at a ball like that because they'd be splattered on the back fence after that second serve. So many factors at work here. To simplify it, Delpo's return of serve, ball placement, court positioning and ball recognition. Not to mention him actually making that ball his bi#ch with that forehand.
5263
G.O.A.T.
Absolutely, lol.
I thought the OP was being sarcasctic and like balla said in his 2 excellent posts, this attack is fraught with peril.
First is that few could ever hit a Fh with that much smash...vid like this makes the ball look slower, but that ball was near supersonic even in the vid perspective....Wow...
Second, is that even Delpo is rarely looking to take a rip like that....usually would have to be front running in score or desperately getting whipped to go for one like that, in that position. Most of the real big Fhs I've seen from him in matches were from the same deuce area of the Fh ct and going cross court to use a very long court.
3rd is his height was very important here...guys like Agassi would have to move further in to even have a similar CP; and even though the smaller guys are a step quicker than Delpo...that step would not likely be enough to get good position on that ball.
That was a very solid ball by Gasquet that will keep in way more rallys than it hurts him in and likely will get way more UEs than winners given up if the Pros want to go after it like that. Been right there at ct side at Miami and US Open many times and you don't see a rip like that very often if ever, in a match that counts for something....
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mrpeterman
Banned
People tend to attribute super powers to professional athletes and go overboard with their analysis. I'm not taking anything away from these incredible players but people talking about his "amazing footwork" "incredible timing" and "perfect balance" are just taking it to silly levels. He slammed it home, Nice hard shot but nothing amazing. A good college level player could certainly hit similar shots, perhaps not as hard but 90% of pro players can't hit as hard as Del Potro.
tennis_balla
Hall of Fame
Nothing to do with super powers....
wannabe good
Rookie
The best putaway I've ever seen, from the way del Potro executed it to the way it was filmed - an absolute perfection.
There is a super important point (no pun intended).
TimeSpiral
Professional
Forgive me if I'm taking the troll bait ...
Delpo has one of--if not--the biggest forehand weapons in modern tennis. That winner is not even really a forehand, it's a forehand smash. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if that winner clocked at 105 MPH.
Sure, it's a high-level rec player might hit a winner from that position, but what you saw with that forehand smash was something truly special, hit by one of the game's best players, filmed from a unique angle!
Remember to replay the video from the beginning, guys. The OP timecoded the link to start at the last shot of the clip. That was one of the best 90 second clips tennis clips of hitting I've ever seen. Gasquet absolutely destroys a CC BH and a CC DTL that Delpo just watches.
Delpo has one of--if not--the biggest forehand weapons in modern tennis. That winner is not even really a forehand, it's a forehand smash. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if that winner clocked at 105 MPH.
Sure, it's a high-level rec player might hit a winner from that position, but what you saw with that forehand smash was something truly special, hit by one of the game's best players, filmed from a unique angle!
Remember to replay the video from the beginning, guys. The OP timecoded the link to start at the last shot of the clip. That was one of the best 90 second clips tennis clips of hitting I've ever seen. Gasquet absolutely destroys a CC BH and a CC DTL that Delpo just watches.
KineticChain
Hall of Fame
Yes it is quite the specimen of a forehand.. that's why I choose it to mock us all with.
tennis_hack
Banned
Haha, no way would a 5.0 put that Gasquet backhand away.
Our coach tells us that, these days, since topspin causes the ball to bounce shorter than in the old-skool tennis, you no longer classify a shot's penetration by the court-depth of the spot at which it bounced, but instead by looking at whether or not the ball is rising as it passes the baseline.
So a ball can be penetrating if it's hit flatter and lands deep, or it can be just as penetrating if it's looped with heavy topspin, bounces short, yet kicks up and forward on the bounce such that it's still rising as it passes the baseline.
The latter is exactly the type of shot Gasquet hit here - he hit a penetrating shot (you can clearly see it's rising as it's passing the baseline), but Del-Potro has enough physicality in his forehand to negate that, and hit a winner off it.
So, essentially, you're asking if a 5.0 can hit a clean putaway winner off a penetrating rally ball of a top 10 player?
Lol, no.
Our coach tells us that, these days, since topspin causes the ball to bounce shorter than in the old-skool tennis, you no longer classify a shot's penetration by the court-depth of the spot at which it bounced, but instead by looking at whether or not the ball is rising as it passes the baseline.
So a ball can be penetrating if it's hit flatter and lands deep, or it can be just as penetrating if it's looped with heavy topspin, bounces short, yet kicks up and forward on the bounce such that it's still rising as it passes the baseline.
The latter is exactly the type of shot Gasquet hit here - he hit a penetrating shot (you can clearly see it's rising as it's passing the baseline), but Del-Potro has enough physicality in his forehand to negate that, and hit a winner off it.
So, essentially, you're asking if a 5.0 can hit a clean putaway winner off a penetrating rally ball of a top 10 player?
Lol, no.
TobyTopspin
Professional
I've agree with this. I couldn't tell if this thread was being serious or not so I refrained from commenting.
True JDP hits a really heavy ball with more pace than 99.999% of players, but to think that there are not other players (non-pros) that could put this away is untrue from my experience. We have top ranked juniors and college players that could hit this shot as well. Maybe not as impressively as JDP, but none the less the ball will be a winner.
Maybe it's the camera angle that's throwing you guys off as you are not used to seeing this type of hitting at court level from this close up (wish more TV coverage was from this angle). I see it everyday so it isn't as breathtaking. I do remember seeing this type of hitting when I was a kid and being blown away, but if you surround yourself with good players and good hitting partners it becomes routine. Again, maybe not quite as much pace and spin, but fairly close. Keep in mind that we train/teach with current/former College All-Americans and top 100 ranked juniors though.
tennis_balla
Hall of Fame
Just watched the video again, no way thats a short ball. DelPo made contact at the baseline.
GoudX
Professional
A good college player would almost certainly mishit that shot because of the amount of spin and pace on the ball. A really good college player might be able to get the ball back into play for Gascquet to hit a winner. A truly exceptional college player might have a chance of pulling off what Del Potro did, but guys like Blake and Isner were just waiting to turn pro anyway.
There's nothing magic about it, the pros are just hitting the ball more consistently and accurately with more spin and power, then reacting and moving quicker for the next shot. That said, even without magic, a player who is at the top will crush almost anyone else. Look how easily Del Potro can beat a 50 ranked player, then work out how much better he must be than that player. Then consider a 50 ranked player will beat a 100 just as easily, who will beat a 200 ranked player just as easily, who will beat a 500 ranked player just as easily, who can beat a top college player just as easily, who will destroy a good college player. So the surprising conclusion: Del Potro is quite a lot better than an okay college player.
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Ballinbob
Hall of Fame
http://youtu.be/5aQSr4ZfBOM
Rally balls in this vid are crazy good. I don't think a D1 player could hang with these guys at all... This is just from what I've seen though. D1 players hit a heavy ball, but it's a good notch below this. Again, this is IMO
And, also don't think a D1 player could have put away that shot, at least not consistently
Rally balls in this vid are crazy good. I don't think a D1 player could hang with these guys at all... This is just from what I've seen though. D1 players hit a heavy ball, but it's a good notch below this. Again, this is IMO
And, also don't think a D1 player could have put away that shot, at least not consistently
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President
Legend
That ball Gasquet hit wasn't even particularly easy, there's no way a "good college player" would put that away with any kind of consistency. It landed on the service line and was loaded with spin. Sometimes people exaggerate how good the pros are, but it seems there are people who do the opposite. There's a huge difference in level between a typical D-1 college player and a top 10 pro and US Open winner like Del Potro. Watch some of Djokovic's or Nadal's early rounds against top 100 players when the Aussie Open rolls around, the scores are all like 6-2 6-3 6-1. And a top 100 player is leagues above a typical D1 player. Del Potro would beat an average D-1 player 6-1 or maybe 6-2 in a set on average probably.
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That's an interesting perspective from your coach. I'm not sure it's as simple as whether or not a ball is rising at the baseline, however - though even that description is much better than where the ball bounces on the court.
Maybe what's really important is how your opponent needs to play the ball you give them. Gasquet's ball is hard to handle or neutral for most opponents in the world. I can see that not being true for a 6'6" former US Open winner. There's a relative aspect here - no one shot will be a winner against everyone, and how you make your living might just play into someone else's strength.
mrpeterman
Banned
I spent many hours with D1 level players and trust me, they could hit similar shots. What's impressive is the pace that he creates.. The shot itself is a good shot but it's nothing special.
user92626
G.O.A.T.
+1. Good, even handed comment.
I play with two guys. One guy I don't know his level but if he moves into the no man's land to make his groundstrokes, either fh or bh, no other players could return his shots if they need to take 3 steps! The other guy is a little overweight, has a tremendous FH. I don't remember anyone who could sustain a 3 FH shot rally from him. He competed in 4.5 and showed me the logo jacket he won!
Del Potro's shot is good but not un-do able for many strong 4.5 out there. The other difference I see is the frequency. Pros do it more routinely while rec players probably succeed 30% or 25% of time.
wrxinsc
Professional
arche3
Banned
Lulz.... love ttw.
TobyTopspin
Professional
Absolutely correct. The thing that separates the Pros from lesser player (but still highly skilled) has more to do with movement, consistency and mental game that actual stoke production. I've hit with current/former ATP/ITF pros as well as other highly skilled players. If you can kit a ball, you can hit a ball.
The pros certainly have better stokes, but it's not like they are playing on another planet with different gravitational forces. Its just hitting a tennis ball. They can handle extremes better than other players.
TimeSpiral
Professional
It's great entertainment.
Here's a highlight reel of me playing a pusher. I'm the chap in white: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXBdXw5iR9Y
arche3
Banned
Great match man. I hate that moon ball that pusher kept hitting.
psv255
Professional
5263
G.O.A.T.
lol....the post isn't about it being a winner, but about it being as impressive as JDP....so I don't see how you say your top jrs can do this...then admit it would not be as impressive...completely contradictory. Any kid who hits remotely like that with any kind of regularity is missing & LOSING ...or US tennis would not be in the dumps.
No you don't see shots this impressive everyday....You just don't...because it DOES NOT happen everyday....I coached my oldest 2 children to D1 full scholarships, did some coaching work with some of their players and even practiced/played with their teams. I've been at countless matches of their teams, along with US Opens and Miami....Shots like that and that impressive, in match situations are super rare and if you chart more matches you would realize this immediately.
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arche3
Banned
That fh was over 100mph. Beastly.
President
Legend
What makes it really impressive is the fact that he was able to hit that shot off of a decent quality (and very spinny) shot from Gasquet. This isn't a 4.0 sitter with no spin on it, that thing looked to be kicking like a mule. Del Potro took it in side the baseline; I really doubt most good college players can do that with any sort of consistency.
KineticChain
Hall of Fame
yes.. keep arguing and make my thread grow. grow my child, GROW
