2017 Brisbane International. ATP 250. (Jan 1st-8th)
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Miloš's movement and his overall game have improved a lot. He is not an oak anymore who's slowness can be exploit with ease, which wasn't the case 2-3 years ago. He's been improving his results as well, which a SF and a F in Majors last year confirms, including that heartbreaking loss in the WTF SF.
I'm not his biggest fan, but I respect his effort and willingness to improve and he should be an example to the guys like Grigor or even Kei.
I'm not his biggest fan, but I respect his effort and willingness to improve and he should be an example to the guys like Grigor or even Kei.
Meles
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The crazy and disturbing stat for Nadal is that he won on 64% of his first serve points (Juan Monaco territory.) This means Raonic took a scintillating 36% of first return points. Nadal's serve is still the issue and its clear the Raonic first return has become a big part of his game.
TheMusicLover
G.O.A.T.
Just come home from work so couldn't watch the match. Well well. Congrats to Raonic, blnt Rafa.
People keep on underrating the fellow, but he's the current ATP #3 for a bloody good reason!
Well said, spot-on.
People keep on underrating the fellow, but he's the current ATP #3 for a bloody good reason!
Dolgopolov85
G.O.A.T.
There were patches where Nadal looked 'back' and patches (mainly the second set and early in the third) where he seemed to be misfiring the forehand again. Wonder what it is, does he tire of hitting that shot, is it some wrist pain that refuses to go away.
All of Milos' win on TT:
-If win: RaoMUG servebotting+opponent playing bad
-If loss: RaoMUG can't ever beat top players, worst generation ever.
Nadal was scrambling fine and hitting the FH big. Raonic hits big too though and his BH is at least average top 50 now. Start giving the guy some credit. No one is saying he is Pete reincarnated.
-If win: RaoMUG servebotting+opponent playing bad
-If loss: RaoMUG can't ever beat top players, worst generation ever.
Nadal was scrambling fine and hitting the FH big. Raonic hits big too though and his BH is at least average top 50 now. Start giving the guy some credit. No one is saying he is Pete reincarnated.
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Exactly, some people think that it's easy to reach No. 3 because "the competition is weak", but in order to get there, regardless of the competition or era, you have to be extremely consistent with a very good results in the best tournaments.
vive le beau jeu !
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WarriorRafa
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Rafa's problems have been the same for the past two to three years.. and it doesn't look like anything is going to change. Serve isn't good enough, FH misfiring, playing too short. Not good enough to beat the top 10 on a consistent basis.
TheMusicLover
G.O.A.T.
Yep. The whole "weak era"-debate - whatever era it concerns - is just a ridiculous argument.
As a player, you'll have to compete against whoever appears against you on the other side of the net, and do well - and, moreover, keep on doing well.
The ATP-points count rightly values those with decent, consistent results as much as it does to the fellow who happens to appear all-guns-blazing once or twice during the season at the Big Events.
"Weak era"-argument dissected:
* my favourite player wins everything: strong era!
* the player I 'hate' wins everything: weak era!
There's not much more to be said about it, methinks...
TheMusicLover
G.O.A.T.
Perhaps it's becoming time to stop underrating the Canuck, and conclude that his current #3 ATP ranking is fully justified.So Milos managed to reverse last week's result against Rafa in Abu Dhabi and this time be the one to take the match in 3!
Last year he beat Federer in Brisbane, this year he beat Nadal. This tournament (and Australia in general) seems to bring out the best in him!
Apart from that, I just WISH people would STOP drawing conclusions from meaningless exho events!
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You summed it up really well, I agree with everything, especially with the motives for the "weak era" theory.Yep. The whole "weak era"-debate - whatever era it concerns - is just a ridiculous argument.
As a player, you'll have to compete against whoever appears against you on the other side of the net, and do well - and, moreover, keep on doing well.
The ATP-points count rightly values those with decent, consistent results as much as it does to the fellow who happens to appear all-guns-blazing once or twice during the season at the Big Events.
"Weak era"-argument dissected:
* my favourite player wins everything: strong era!
* the player I 'hate' wins everything: weak era!
There's not much more to be said about it, methinks...
Hmm, my impression on the Rafa's last a few matches is that Rafa finally ironed it out.
He is holding his serve more easily.
That is big improvement considering mighty struggles to hold his serving games 2014-2016 spring.
He should do better this year.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Yeah but Brisbane isn't an exho. It's one of the leading ATP warm-up events for the Aussie Open!
Meles
Bionic Poster
Dimitrov taking Raonic down will give a lot of pleasure to TTW members. That is a great match on paper as I'd have expected Raonic to be the favorite (and he is for this match according to the bookies.) H2H is a strong stat much of the time.
Meles
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Glad you see it that way as I despise the term. With Slamimal still on the prowl, peak Raonic, peak Murray, and Weakovic make a fine top 4. There is much to like in the lower reaches of the game with the 4 Nextgens in the top 24 Auz seeds, and Dimitrov soaring back up the rankings. I loved the top French players, but they all seem to fold a bit in the big moments. A much more competive bunch is emerging in and around the top ten. Lost generation is developing spine (Goffin, Dimi, Nishi, Raonic) and good to watch save Raonic in a lot of matchups. Zverev, Kyrgios, Thiem, and Pouille.Yep. The whole "weak era"-debate - whatever era it concerns - is just a ridiculous argument.
As a player, you'll have to compete against whoever appears against you on the other side of the net, and do well - and, moreover, keep on doing well.
The ATP-points count rightly values those with decent, consistent results as much as it does to the fellow who happens to appear all-guns-blazing once or twice during the season at the Big Events.
"Weak era"-argument dissected:
* my favourite player wins everything: strong era!
* the player I 'hate' wins everything: weak era!
There's not much more to be said about it, methinks...
Most interesting year upcoming in tennis in a long, long time as nothing is quite certain especially if Murray stumbles.
David Le
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To me these last two SF matches test out who's the better LostGen member out of the 3. I'm sure Grigs can take Raonic to 3. If Grigs can return well like he does against Dr.Ivo then we are in a good treat. I'm sure Grigs is more hungry out of Raonic & Kori. He needs this bad if he wants to get a better draw at the AO.
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Rafa was dong well and looked like he'd win in 2 until he missed a few Bp chances in the 2nd and then he managed to throw in a few poor games at the end of the 2nd and beginning of 3rd, and Meelosh capitalized by bombing serves for the rest of the match and not letting him back into it. The game where Rafa got broken in the 2nd was particularly bad, with mishits and shanks out of the blue, or regulation shots that didn't even reach the net.
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Funny thing is the prize money for winning the abu dhabi exo was $250,000, and it is just $77,980 for winning Brisbane.
Good win for Meelosh, though he'd want to do it in a bigger event now.
tennisenthusiast
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When is Wawrinka vs Nishikori match?
coolschreiber
Hall of Fame
So Stan v Ninja next up? Now that the dubs match is up
coolschreiber
Hall of Fame
Yep atpworldtour.Com shows it now that I refreshed it.
tennisenthusiast
Hall of Fame
where are you guys watching? Any good links?
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Just starting now.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
I may be wrong but I'm assuming TheMusicLover was referring to Abu Dhabi last week.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
I may be wrong but I'm assuming TheMusicLover was referring to Abu Dhabi last week.
It's possible we got our wires crossed.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Not like you to go misinterpreting people's posts Mainad.It's possible we got our wires crossed.
J/K mate! 
Meles
Bionic Poster
Yes you had your Raonic/Nadal matches crossed with @TheMusicLover .It's possible we got our wires crossed.
Meles
Bionic Poster
I'm using Eurosport player. What country are you viewing from?
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
I am watching it Meles - I always enjoy a good Wawrikori battle
Aussie Darcy
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Well what a great week for Thompson/Kokkinakis. And a great return to tour for the Kokk. Got into the doubles draw with a wildcard and are now into the final!
They will face unseeded Muller/Querrey.
This is the first ever ATP final for Kokk and Thompson. Thompson had only ever won 3 main draw ATP doubles matches. Now he's doubled that by winning 3 more and he's into a final! Kokkinakis had only won 7 and now he has another 3 to add!
Good week for the Aussies.
They will face unseeded Muller/Querrey.
This is the first ever ATP final for Kokk and Thompson. Thompson had only ever won 3 main draw ATP doubles matches. Now he's doubled that by winning 3 more and he's into a final! Kokkinakis had only won 7 and now he has another 3 to add!
Good week for the Aussies.
Meles
Bionic Poster
Good to hear. Was try to watch that with dinner, but got a phone call.
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
Nothing spectacular in this Stan/Nishi match thus far. Hopefully it'll get juicier.
Meles
Bionic Poster
To me this is a big match for Stan as it sets the table for Auz Open. Expectations for Nishikori are less at the Auz Open, but who knows. Stan beat Kei at US Open and won it, perhaps Kei will turn the tables tonight.I am watching it Meles - I always enjoy a good Wawrikori battle
Meles
Bionic Poster
Agree, but for Stan this is important barometer. He must win to contend.
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
Match is getting better now. Nishi got to 0-30 on Stan's serve. Now 30-30.
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
Good hold for Stan. Up 5-4 now.
Djokovic2011
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Bloody hell, anyone would think we were watching a rerun of the 2008 Wimbledon final given how overexcited the commentator is.
TrustTheNinja
Semi-Pro
first match of the year for me. Looks like a good one so far
Meles
Bionic Poster
Beautiful set of semis at Brisbane @Aussie Darcy . Warokori and Dimitrov vs Raonic. I'd prefer Thiem in there, but Raonic/Thiem would have been awful. Thiem/Nadal would have been nice. Great semis as it stands.
Zebrev
Hall of Fame
Bloody hell, anyone would think we were watching a rerun of the 2008 Wimbledon final given how overexcited the commentator is.
I listened to that Paul guy commentate the Edmund Wawrinka game. It was like is had snorted cocaine before coming on air. Crazy excitable.
Meles
Bionic Poster
Bloody hell, anyone would think we were watching a rerun of the 2008 Wimbledon final given how overexcited the commentator is.
Dissing the eurotrash commentary?
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
To be honest, i'm not enthralled by this match. Hasn't been many fun rallies or stunning shots. Earlier rounds were far better. Although last nights QF with Raonic wasn also slightly boring as Raonic is so boring to watch in my opinion.
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