Alcaraz v Nadal at age 20, who is now more accomplished?
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Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
Accomplished - Alcaraz
Better player - Nadal
Better player - Nadal
Phenomenal
Professional
Yeah Djokovic fans who always talks about stats but here not mentioning overall titles when comparing achievements
Alcaraz can surprass Nadal on achievement wise at the end of this year.Not mentioning titles (17-12) is misleading. Sorry but i really don't think Alcaraz deserved to end No1 last year. Strange thing happened at Wimbledon. Both Nadal and Djokovic was better players and they deserved to be no1 in normal conditions(Djokovic for points)
Specially if you compare 2 players in my book you shouldn't include Alcaraz's no1 ending last year. Otherwise why we count Djokovic's Wimbledon as a title. Usually world no 1 means overall best player of the season but Alcaraz clearly wasn't last year.
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Pheasant
Legend
The OP was clear here. He said the most accomplished, which means that I won't speculate on the quality of the competition. This will be simply based on accomplishments. And I'm running this through Wimbledon of their age-20 seasons.
Total slam titles sits at 2 each. This is a wash. Nadal leads 3-2 in slam finals. Alcaraz leads 4-3 in slam quarters. I'm giving Rafa the edge here with the extra slam final. The rankings points would do the same, since I believe that a slam final is worth 1200 points while a slam semi + slam quarters=360+720=1080 points.
Total titles: 17-13 Rafa. Big edge to Rafa
Masters titles: 6-4 Rafa. Solid edge to Rafa
World #1: Alcaraz hit world #1 and Rafa didn't. This is nearly an equalizer here. World #1 is huge.
Overall Record(per Tennis Abstract):
Rafa: 167-44, .791
Alcaraz: 137-35, .797
Their winning pct is nearly identical. But Rafa has 30 more match wins. Edge to Rafa.
Record vs top 5
Rafa: 9-5, .643
Alcaraz: 10-6, .625
Record vs top 10
Rafa: 17-7, .708
Alcaraz: 20-10, .667
Their records vs top opponents is a wash to me. Rafa has the better winning pct, but Alcaraz is close and has more wins.
Nadal would be ahead by a decent margin, if we ignore weeks at #1. This is a huge thing for Alcaraz. Now granted, there is a TON of context regarding world #1 and the opponents. But the OP was clear about this. This is about pure hardware and accomplishments, not context or speculation.
I'm giving this to Alcaraz. Hitting world #1 is just too big here.
Total slam titles sits at 2 each. This is a wash. Nadal leads 3-2 in slam finals. Alcaraz leads 4-3 in slam quarters. I'm giving Rafa the edge here with the extra slam final. The rankings points would do the same, since I believe that a slam final is worth 1200 points while a slam semi + slam quarters=360+720=1080 points.
Total titles: 17-13 Rafa. Big edge to Rafa
Masters titles: 6-4 Rafa. Solid edge to Rafa
World #1: Alcaraz hit world #1 and Rafa didn't. This is nearly an equalizer here. World #1 is huge.
Overall Record(per Tennis Abstract):
Rafa: 167-44, .791
Alcaraz: 137-35, .797
Their winning pct is nearly identical. But Rafa has 30 more match wins. Edge to Rafa.
Record vs top 5
Rafa: 9-5, .643
Alcaraz: 10-6, .625
Record vs top 10
Rafa: 17-7, .708
Alcaraz: 20-10, .667
Their records vs top opponents is a wash to me. Rafa has the better winning pct, but Alcaraz is close and has more wins.
Nadal would be ahead by a decent margin, if we ignore weeks at #1. This is a huge thing for Alcaraz. Now granted, there is a TON of context regarding world #1 and the opponents. But the OP was clear about this. This is about pure hardware and accomplishments, not context or speculation.
I'm giving this to Alcaraz. Hitting world #1 is just too big here.
Phoenix*
Professional
It's fine. USO, ATP Finals and AO are coming.The one you need to keep attacking bc your target didn't move like you expected
Alcaraz takeover
Rookie
Alcaraz is both a better tennis and more accomplished.
He's better on both grass and hard courts . Nadal is only better on clay, that's it.
2006 Nadal would not have been able to beat 2023 Djokovic at Wimbledon.
He's better on both grass and hard courts . Nadal is only better on clay, that's it.
2006 Nadal would not have been able to beat 2023 Djokovic at Wimbledon.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
As ffw would say….. those L’sIt's fine. USO, ATP Finals and AO are coming.
Phoenix*
Professional
You would know about L's.As ffw would say….. those L’s
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Especially the 8 your robot took on ChatrierYou would know about L's.
TheNachoMan
Legend
Only nostalgia merchants vote for Nadal tbh.
Phoenix*
Professional
I was thinking about this, and so were you.Especially the 8 your robot took on Chatrier
Hitman
Bionic Poster
I know your game Hitman, you devil! You're trying to drive a wedge between the love affair of Nadal fans and Alcaraz.
It's as brilliant as it is devious
I'm sure Nadal fans are not that insecure....I mean, even I said Nadal had the higher playing level.
But who else is Alcaraz going to be compared to at this age? It ain't going to be Federer and Djokovic, both of them are relatively late starters. Nadal arrived to the party early on, just as Alcaraz, so the two have a much similar career trajectory as it stands, and Nadal was the last guy at the same age to really put up some impressive results. If it was Federer or Djokovic, the comparison would be with them.
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